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So you are sitting this one out in November?
If the Dems wanted to beat Trump, IMO, they should have nominated a decent candidate and not been crazy. Instead, 2 years in a row they nominate those they felt were entitled to POTUS and went full left/socialist and lost a lot of support.
Probably will write a candidate in.

And you're incorrect about the 'socialist' label. The only Democratic socialist lost out to the establishment candidate.

Even many of the Democrats still use the red scare tactics, unfortunately.
 
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So you are sitting this one out in November?
If the Dems wanted to beat Trump, IMO, they should have nominated a decent candidate and not been crazy. Instead, 2 years in a row they nominate those they felt were entitled to POTUS and went full left/socialist and lost a lot of support.
You people have no idea what you are talking about, and shouldn't be sharing your opinions. It only confirms with others suspect. I don't know even know what you mean by 2 years in a row. I assume you mean 2 nominations in a row. Biden, and Hillary are both third way corporate dems. Neither is "far left", or anything close to that. Hillary's main issue was hubris. She made multiple mistakes because she thought there was no way she could lose to Trump.

I'm a progressive who voted for Bernie twice. I see the biggest issue right now is the Charmin extra soft primary. My opinion is that Bernie, and the rest of the Dems are making a huge mistake by keeping the kiddie gloves on during the primary. Obama vs Hillary was nasty. You need a candidate that has already been vetted for the general. That did not happen this time around. The Tara Reade stuff was out there, mainstream media chose to ignore it. The primary candidates could have forced the conversation. Things that Biden should have been hammered on, and he will be in the GE: his corporate ties, allegations of wandering hands, plagiarism, and health/failing mental capacity.

I saw poll were something like 25% of democrats think he should be replaced, 40 think he should stay, and the rest are in the "I don't know category". This is a problem that doesn't appear to be going away. There is absolutely no enthusiasm amongst Democrats for his candidacy. Why is hiding out in his basement? The best criticism from the left so far was a leaked video call of Obama.

P.S. I'm still not sure why conservatives who vote for Trump are even sharing an opinion in this thread.
 
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So you are sitting this one out in November?
If the Dems wanted to beat Trump, IMO, they should have nominated a decent candidate and not been crazy. Instead, 2 years in a row they nominate those they felt were entitled to POTUS and went full left/socialist and lost a lot of support.
They sacrificed who I thought was their one really viable candidate to the #metoo gods.
 
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Case in point.

We all know that if you're voting for Trump, you're just voting for the 'other' guy with rapey behavior. The one on the team you support.

It's all partisan politics.
Do you think my point is that Biden definitely assaulted his accuser? Or that people should not vote for him because he has been accused?
 

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You need a candidate that has already been vetted for the general. That did not happen this time around. The Tara Reade stuff was out there, mainstream media chose to ignore it. The primary candidates could have forced the conversation. Things that Biden should have been hammered on, and he will be in the GE: his corporate ties, allegations of wandering hands, plagiarism, and health/failing mental capacity.
Serious question. You don't think he was thoroughly vetted in 2008 before being tapped for VP by Obama? If the Tara Reade stuff was out there, you don't think they would have found it during the process? Senate record was wide open then. Or do you think they didn't care then?
 

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Do you think my point is that Biden definitely assaulted his accuser? Or that people should not vote for him because he has been accused?
Can anyone know for sure? No. But there's likely a good chance, given the way he's acted over the years situationally.

It's up to the individual. I'm not a purist in any sense, but I'm not gonna do this lesser of two evils thing every 4 years. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
 

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Serious question. You don't think he was thoroughly vetted in 2008 before being tapped for VP by Obama? If the Tara Reade stuff was out there, you don't think they would have found it during the process? Senate record was wide open then. Or do you think they didn't care then?
I seriously doubt Obama's team looked into these things. I'm also not talking about vetting a VP pick's background, but being able to take the onslaught of criticism, and respond. You find out if the candidate will be able to take the heat in the general. Everyone seems to forget just how vicious the 2008 primary was between Obama, and Clinton. I believe we came out of that primary process with a stronger, more organized candidate because of it. I am not fan of this pillow fighting we have now.

It's not just Tara Reade, a dozen OTHER women complained about the guy according to the WaPo in 2019. He did NOT apologize, only said essentially "Times are different I'll try not to be creepy." That's not a good look. He also left himself no wiggle room on the issue. His answer was this unequivocally did not happen. Yet, multiple sources now are pointing to something happened. Everyone is attacking Tara Reade's character, but Joe has a dubious history with the truth. Biden's lying, and plagiarism ended his 1988 campaign.

This is only one issue as well. He is going to also have to answer questions about Hunter, and his own cozy relationship with big banks.

My biggest issue right now. Where is the guy?

I am very anxious about him as a candidate. I'm also not deluded in the fact that if he steps down, the replacement is going to be someone like Cuomo. Who is arguably worse if you are a progressive.

This should be a slam dunk of an election. A botched crisis that has lead to record unemployment, and an economy in freefall. Biden isn't filling anyone with confidence right now.
 

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I seriously doubt Obama's team looked into these things. I'm also not talking about vetting a VP pick's background, but being able to take the onslaught of criticism, and respond. You find out if the candidate will be able to take the heat in the general. Everyone seems to forget just how vicious the 2008 primary was between Obama, and Clinton. I believe we came out of that primary process with a stronger, more organized candidate because of it. I am not fan of this pillow fighting we have now.

It's not just Tara Reade, a dozen OTHER women complained about the guy according to the WaPo in 2019. He did NOT apologize, only said essentially "Times are different I'll try not to be creepy." That's not a good look. He also left himself no wiggle room on the issue. His answer was this unequivocally did not happen. Yet, multiple sources now are pointing to something happened. Everyone is attacking Tara Reade's character, but Joe has a dubious history with the truth. Biden's lying, and plagiarism ended his 1988 campaign.

This is only one issue as well. He is going to also have to answer questions about Hunter, and his own cozy relationship with big banks.

My biggest issue right now. Where is the guy?

I am very anxious about him as a candidate. I'm also not deluded in the fact that if he steps down, the replacement is going to be someone like Cuomo. Who is arguably worse if you are a progressive.

This should be a slam dunk of an election. A botched crisis that has lead to record unemployment, and an economy in freefall. Biden isn't filling anyone with confidence right now.
The guy was one step from the presidency. They must definitely had to look for stuff like that. You think Obama and his team were going to risk election by not turning over every possible stone for the person who would be second in line to the Oval Office. That's just crazy.

I get it that a lot of progressives and some others are disillusioned and unexcited about Biden. I understand. It's how I felt about Clinton 4 years ago. And I am in no way saying he's guilty or innocent. But there are too much inconsistencies, more so than during the Kavanaugh nomination. And it should make people push pause.

Now, do some Democrats, including Biden, need to be called out for the #BelieveWomen hypocrisy? Most definitely because it's slapping them in the face, just as plenty predicted it would.
 

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The guy was one step from the presidency. They must definitely had to look for stuff like that. You think Obama and his team were going to risk election by not turning over every possible stone for the person who would be second in line to the Oval Office. That's just crazy.
You overestimate these things. Look at Sarah Palin as a VP pick at the same time, it's not that heavy of a vetting process. Are you implying somehow Tara Reade planted all of these, along with the dozen other women who have complained about him?

I get it that a lot of progressives and some others are disillusioned and unexcited about Biden. I understand. It's how I felt about Clinton 4 years ago. And I am in no way saying he's guilty or innocent. But there are too much inconsistencies, more so than during the Kavanaugh nomination. And it should make people push pause.
I don't get this. Reade his multiple people backing up her story, along with a court document. There were inconsistencies in both stories. Reade has far more corroborating evidence.

Now, do some Democrats, including Biden, need to be called out for the #BelieveWomen hypocrisy? Most definitely because it's slapping them in the face, just as plenty predicted it would.
I think this is the problem. I don't think she is lying. The mom calling in, the neighbors, and friends that recounting the story, and the divorce papers that mention an incident in his office. It's almost comical that some of you guys believe Ford over Reade at this point.

A reminder of the huge problems with Ford's testimony: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ries-not-credible-kavanaugh-column/1497661002
 

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You overestimate these things. Look at Sarah Palin as a VP pick at the same time, it's not that heavy of a vetting process. Are you implying somehow Tara Reade planted all of these, along with the dozen other women who have complained about him?
I've never once discounted those that complained about the creepy Biden. I believe I even said that something that might be considered unconformableness or harassment probably happened in 1993.

I don't get this. Reade his multiple people backing up her story, along with a court document. There were inconsistencies in both stories. Reade has far more corroborating evidence.

I think this is the problem. I don't think she is lying. The mom calling in, the neighbors, and friends that recounting the story, and the divorce papers that mention an incident in his office. It's almost comical that some of you guys believe Ford over Reade at this point.
People who until a few weeks ago didn't exist. Reade's own words were that she didn't tell anyone about the alleged assault, only about feeling uncomfortable by Biden, which considering how her actions have changed is fishy in itself. Now, they're coming out of the woodwork.

There is no proof other than Reade saying that it's her mother who called Larry King.

And the divorce papers from 1996 mentioned harassment, not assault. So what's the truth?

I never said I believed Ford. Just like this issue, more needs to come out to convince me one way or the other. That still holds.
 

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Then what point were you trying to make, that is was ok if Biden harassed her as long as it wasn't assault?
If you can't grasp what my posts said or know the legal differences between harassment and assault, that's on you. I think I've had decent conversation with those in this thread, including those I disagree with. I'm not going to get into a cherry-pick with you as you've done here and in other threads.

Good day.
 

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