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Yggdrasill

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I am in the camp that Trump must -not should- be impeached. If not this President, for this behavior, then what bar would have to be cleared to merit impeachment?

Impeachment not only sends a signal to the country and the world that fomenting a coup is unacceptable and will be punished, but it also removes much of the threat Trump could pose going forward as, I understand it, he would lose his pension, his access to daily security briefings, free medical care and other amenities and benefits afforded to former Presidents. If impeached, he would not meet the definition of a Former President under the Former Presidents Act. I don't think it is clear whether he would continue to receive Secret Service protection.
 

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I knew he didn’t mean any of it, and lol at Rudy

 

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Yeah, she's a real piece of work...

One thing this has shown me is lots and lots of areas of this country I just don't want to stop in will just drive thru.

I just don't want to support anything in her district. So on my next motorcycle trip in that area of the world will just buy gas and keep going. No hotel or nice lunch just keep going.
 

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If Trump is convicted, it will raise an interesting legal issue.

The law (Former Presidents Act) specifies that a former president receives a pension, and how the amount is calculated. It clarifies that a "former president" is a person (among other things) "whose service in such office shall have terminated other than removal pursuant to section 4 of article II of the Constitution of the United States of America..."

So, here is the question. Trump's term ends at noon on Jan 20. If he is convicted after that point, and congress votes to remove him from office.....Which is true? His term ended at Jan 20, or he was removed by congress?
 

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One thing this has shown me is lots and lots of areas of this country I just don't want to stop in will just drive thru.

I just don't want to support anything in her district. So on my next motorcycle trip in that area of the world will just buy gas and keep going. No hotel or nice lunch just keep going.
anyone working on an updated Green Book?
 

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Oooh.. that IS interesting, and I was unaware of it.
Apparantly some US laws include the concept of Recklessness, which your COULD argue that Trump was guilty of ?
What I think is going to be problematic for Trump, and difficult for Senate Republicans to work around, is that reports claim that the FBI had warned that extremists were planning for violence and the dangers were growing, and so it becomes difficult to believe Trump wasn't apprised of that information. If we are to believe he somehow wasn't informed, that speaks to a level of administrative incompetence that is unacceptable, and that he remains responsible for, but it seems more likely he knew, and acted willingly to continue goading people with his rhetoric. In that case, he saw the fuse, recognized it was a fuse, and lit the fuse.

Beyond the rhetoric, questions are raised that he failed in carrying out his duties as president to take the threat seriously and prepare in advance, and respond quickly and strongly once the attack was underway.

I think he's screwed.
 

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What I think is going to be problematic for Trump, and difficult for Senate Republicans to work around, is that reports claim that the FBI had warned that extremists were planning for violence and the dangers were growing, and so it becomes difficult to believe Trump wasn't apprised of that information. If we are to believe he somehow wasn't informed, that speaks to a level of administrative incompetence that is unacceptable, and that he remains responsible for, but it seems more likely he knew, and acted willingly to continue goading people with his rhetoric. In that case, he saw the fuse, recognized it was a fuse, and lit the fuse.

Beyond the rhetoric, questions are raised that he failed in carrying out his duties as president to take the threat seriously and prepare in advance, and respond quickly and strongly once the attack was underway.

I think he's screwed.
Even if you accept that Trump wasn't aware of the risk (when in fact he encouraged it with making Jan. 6 "MAGA rally day at the Capitol"), didn't intentionally or recklessly incite the riot (which I also do not accept), his conduct while the riot was ongoing in real time is deserving of impeachment in and of itself, full stop.
 

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