Hunter Biden (9 Viewers)

[FullMonte]

Lost in all the news coverage about what's going on in the US right now is this bit of information.

The Ukrainian government has completed an audit of thousands of case files related to Burisma. Ruslan Ryaboshapka (the prosecutor general), described by Zelenskiy as "100 percent my person" in the July phone call with president Trump said "I specifically asked prosecutors to check especially carefully those facts about Biden's alleged involvement. They answered that there was nothing of the kind."

Not that anyone SHOULD be surprised to find out that Hunter Biden was not implicated in something that was done by the CEO of Burisma in his role as a government employee, that happened two years before Biden joined the board.

Ukrainian prosecutors find no evidence against Hunter Biden

Audit probed energy company Burisma, of which Biden was a board member from 2014-2019

www.theguardian.com

 

[rajncajn]

How about anytime during the 1980s? Although some of the fears of Communism historically have been false, not true, or counterproductive, if it came out that ANY well-known president invited any kind of assistance from Russians would be a political pariah, and it would be bipartisan, save for some genuine Socialists or Communists.

I can only imagine Reagan is turning over in his grave how much his party and "conservatism" has become authoritarian stooges for the Russians.

Our, little too friendly, relationship with Russia started with Obama and when republicans tried to raise the fear flag they were ridiculed for it. I'm not saying that he had anything to do with the Russians, but he certainly opened the door wide for anyone who did.

 

[MT15]

He didn't. This is all about making sure Weiss couldn't be questioned by Congress about the sweetheart deal he got caught trying to give Hunter.

A reporter asked Garland "If Weiss had the authorities he needed, why does he need to be a special counsel? Do you still have faith in U.S. Attorney Weiss after the [Hunter Biden] deal fell apart?"

Garland walked away and didn't answer. That question by the reporter makes a good point. What's changed now that he needs to be a special counsel? Nothing other than more covering for Biden.

I see you’re still in tinfoil mode. Weiss asked to be a special counsel. A while ago all the Rs were howling about “why wasn’t Weiss made a special counsel? It’s a coverup!” Well, now he is a special counsel and you’re still yelling about it. Nothing will please you, will it? If the Lord Almighty told you Joe Biden wasn’t part of Hunter‘s shady deals you wouldn’t believe it.

 

[MT15]

This ridiculous talking point is repeated so often like it someone shows that Weiss couldn't be biased against a Republican.

What you and others leave out is a US Attorney is selected based on the recommendation of the state's Senators. Delaware's Senators are both Democrats.

They are both officially whistleblowers and followed all the proper whistleblower requirements.

Who made that speculation and can you post a link? I'm sorry that sounds like partisan deflections without anymore information about who said it and what they said specifically.

More anonymous speculation? Post who said that and what they said specifically. Otherwise, it's safe to ignore what you said.

I’m asking you to ignore everything I say, please.

 

[rajncajn]

They weren’t on his team, they were IRS. I meant the US Attorney’s office team of prosecutors. They would all have to be part of it - IF they corruptly didn’t charge him but could have.

My take, which is worth what you paid for it, lol, is that this is a combo of a couple issues. 1. Investigators (the IRS guys) almost always want to charge more than the prosecutors - because they don’t have to be able to prove it in a court of law, and the prosecutor does. Seems to be a consistent pattern. In this case, I think it’s exacerbated by the IRS guys being a bit partisan - which is only human.

I also think these guys did something to get themselves in a bit of hot water, even if it’s only inter-department squabbling between the IRS and the DOJ. I’ve seen it alluded to, even by these guys themselves. There may also be something to the report I saw where some evidence was mishandled, I don’t know.

I am curious about the lawsuit Hunter has filed against the computer repair shop owner. I would love to see the discovery on that little escapade.

I think both the IRS agents are registered democrats. One even saw fit to include that he was married to a man to emphasize that point.

 

[UriUT]

How about anytime during the 1980s? Although some of the fears of Communism historically have been false, not true, or counterproductive, if it came out that ANY well-known president invited any kind of assistance from Russians would be a political pariah, and it would be bipartisan, save for some genuine Socialists or Communists.

I can only imagine Reagan is turning over in his grave how much his party and "conservatism" has become authoritarian stooges for the Russians.

Interestingly enough, JFK was approached by Khrushchev's people about possibly helping him. It was rebuffed and I think they reported it. I'm forgetting now, but another candidate was also approached and he also reported it to the fbi.

 

[Incumbent]

Our, little too friendly, relationship with Russia started with Obama and when republicans tried to raise the fear flag they were ridiculed for it. I'm not saying that he had anything to do with the Russians, but he certainly opened the door wide for anyone who did.

That’s ridiculous. He worked at diplomatic ties like other presidents before him, and Russia, working through a time of change, was afforded an opportunity to establish themselves as a good actor. Instead, they chose a different path.

Obama was acting in an official capacity as head of state. In no way is that similar to actions by the Trump campaign.

 

[rajncajn]

I see you’re still in tinfoil mode. Weiss asked to be a special counsel. A while ago all the Rs were howling about “why wasn’t Weiss made a special counsel? It’s a coverup!” Well, now he is a special counsel and you’re still yelling about it. Nothing will please you, will it? If the Lord Almighty told you Joe Biden wasn’t part of Hunter‘s shady deals you wouldn’t believe it.

I think you're right, but I think they were howling prior to the knowledge provided by the IRS agents. At least that is my understanding of it, but it would make sense why they would turn heel on Weiss like that once they were aware of how he was handling the investigation.

 

[UriUT]

Our, little too friendly, relationship with Russia started with Obama and when republicans tried to raise the fear flag they were ridiculed for it. I'm not saying that he had anything to do with the Russians, but he certainly opened the door wide for anyone who did.

Needs context......consider the events up until Puntin's 2007 Munich speech, Russia was seen as a friendly country. So much so that NATO invited them to cooperate militarily. After the fall of the USSR, Yeltsin was a democratic leader pushing Russia's reforms towards capitalism. In fact, their foreign minister laments that the West, Clinton and Bush senior, didn't provide enough aid to help with the reforms. Yeltsin, deep in the corruption doo doo, turned to Putin, instead of the more liberal Nemsov.

 

[SaintForLife]

Given the amount of time you spend denigrating "media", there isn't a source I could provide that you're going to like unless it says exactly what you want it to.

I responded to you post with specific comments. You might not agree with them, but I was specific. I didn't just complain about the MSNBC legal analysts and leave it at that. The corporate press thoroughly discredited themselves during the Russiagate narrative time frame. I'm guessing you haven't seen this exhaustive article documenting that. You should check it out if you are intellectually honest:

Looking back on the coverage of Trump

<p>Seven and a half years ago, journalism began a tortured dance with Donald Trump, the man who would be the country’s forty-fifth president—first dismissing him, then embracing him as a source of ratings and clicks, then going all in on efforts to catalogue Trump as a threat to the country...

www.cjr.org

It's simply a lie that there was nothing to the connections between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, that determines the allegations were complete fabrications. Mueller is explicit in his findings and there were dozens of indictments to come out of his investigation. It wasn't an exoneration and it isn't evidence that Clinton (or anybody else) concocted a story.

What came of those connections? Manafort giving out polling data due to his financial interests? The Trump Tower meeting that had Fusions GPS fingerprints all over it?

Is it illegal to meet with any Russian even if they aren't affiliated with the government?

Which "Russian Operatives"?

The were ZERO indictments of any Americans for crimes relates to the election. Mueller had to drop his case against the Russians once they had to produce evidence

It's not a prosecutor's job to exonerate someone, but you know that. It's just more weaselly lawyer talk because Mueller couldn't deliver what the left claimed was there all along.

You can lie to yourself as much as you like.

I posted parts of the Mueller & Durham report. Is there something specifically from the Durham report that you think isn't accurate?

 

[MT15]

Wrong again and this was in the quote that I posted earlier from the testimony, which you obviously did not read. I suggest you go back and listen/read to their testimonies yourself and not rely on whatever sources led you to believe your easily provable, factually incorrect assertions that were completely debunked before you even made them.

Their testimony is not corroborated, though, is it? And it was refuted by the US Attorney’s office, IIRC?

Paul Manafort was evading taxes by hiding money he made overseas in foreign accounts. It was uncovered during the Mueller investigation, but was unrelated to Trump or any sort of conspiracy with Russia other than his own shady dealings.

Funny enough, Hunter Biden was acting as a political consultant and lobbyist for a Ukrainian energy company.

I think people are referring to the times that Manafort flew around the world to give some sort of confidential polling data to a Russian operative. Not his other shady dealings. The entire reason he went to the Trump campaign was because he thought he could settle a debt by feeding the Russians information from the campaign. He volunteered to work for free for Trump, he wanted access that badly. He belongs in jail, but Trump corruptly pardoned him.

As said, all of this is completely abnormal for any presidential campaign. Trump deserved every bit of the investigations he received.

 

[MT15]

I think both the IRS agents are registered democrats. One even saw fit to include that he was married to a man to emphasize that point.

One of them, IIRC, the other is a R.

 

[rajncajn]

That’s ridiculous. He worked at diplomatic ties like other presidents before him, and Russia, working through a time of change, was afforded an opportunity to establish themselves as a good actor. Instead, they chose a different path.

Obama was acting in an official capacity as head of state. In no way is that similar to actions by the Trump campaign.

Maybe I should have elaborated when I said I wasn't saying he had anything to do with the Russians. The diplomatic talks with Russia greatly increased under his presidency and, arguably, he was very soft on Russia, especially with the Crimean situation. Remember when he chided Mitt Romney when Romney said Russia was our top geopolitical foe? “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.” How does that quote sit now that we're locked in a proxy war with them?

 

[Incumbent]

I responded to you post with specific comments. You might not agree with them, but I was specific. I didn't just complain about the MSNBC legal analysts and leave it at that. The corporate press thoroughly discredited themselves during the Russiagate narrative time frame. I'm guessing you haven't seen this exhaustive article documenting that. You should check it out if you are intellectually honest:

Looking back on the coverage of Trump

<p>Seven and a half years ago, journalism began a tortured dance with Donald Trump, the man who would be the country’s forty-fifth president—first dismissing him, then embracing him as a source of ratings and clicks, then going all in on efforts to catalogue Trump as a threat to the country...

www.cjr.org

What came of those connections? Manafort giving out polling data due to his financial interests? The Trump Tower meeting that had Fusions GPS fingerprints all over it?

Is it illegal to meet with any Russian even if they aren't affiliated with the government?

Which "Russian Operatives"?

The were ZERO indictments of any Americans for crimes relates to the election. Mueller had to drop his case against the Russians once they had to produce evidence

It's not a prosecutor's job to exonerate someone, but you know that. It's just more weaselly lawyer talk because Mueller couldn't deliver what the left claimed was there all along.

I posted parts of the Mueller & Durham report. Is there something specifically from the Durham report that you think isn't accurate?

You said: “Do you now feel Russiagate was polical after Durham revealed that Hillary created the Trump Russia collusion narrative?”

The Durham “investigation” was largely a scheme to clean things up for Trump but even though I know you’ll disagree with that, the Mueller investigation established problematic connections. Clinton didn’t create this, the Trump campaign’s actions created this.

 

[SaintForLife]

Meanwhile, Republicans are spinning tires on anything substantial on Hunter, and nothing against Joe.

Tells you everything you need to know when people will ignore the mountain of evidence and allegations against Trump, and cling to absolutely any thin, veiled suggestion of wrongdoing against the Bidens.

It's too stupid to take seriously.

Nothing to do with Joe huh? Why was Hunter given lucrative jobs when he had zero experience or expertise? Why don't you explain why those companies wanted Hunter if it's all too stupid to take seriously.

 

[SaintForLife]

As I said, the Mueller investigation returned dozens of indictments. I'm arguing against the idea that Clinton made baseless allegations against Trump with regards to Russia. That isn't what Mueller found and it isn't how anybody should characterize it now.

Zero indictments of any Americans related to the election.

 

[Incumbent]

Maybe I should have elaborated when I said I wasn't saying he had anything to do with the Russians. The diplomatic talks with Russia greatly increased under his presidency and, arguably, he was very soft on Russia, especially with the Crimean situation. Remember when he chided Mitt Romney when Romney said Russia was our top geopolitical foe? “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.” How does that quote sit now that we're locked in a proxy war with them?

I have no problem giving Romney his due for calling it but that doesn’t mean it was a mistake to try and encourage Russia down a different path. Nobody accuses Reagan of cozying up to Gorbachev to bring about change. I never got the impression there was a good relationship between Obama and Putin, just a one-sided will to give Russia a chance. I think in terms of global stability, it was a worthy objective.

 

[Incumbent]

Zero indictments of any Americans related to the election.

Numerous pages outlining troubling connections.

You’re completely missing the point that an absence of specific indictments doesn’t mean Clinton fabricated concerns about the Trump campaign and Russia. Mueller’s findings substantiate those concerns.

And it’s far more established than whatever bs you’re choosing to believe about the Bidens. You’re not being the least bit consistent about any of this.

 

[rajncajn]

Their testimony is not corroborated, though, is it? And it was refuted by the US Attorney’s office, IIRC?

I never claimed that it was. The post you're replying to was calling out DJ for claiming something wasn't in the testimony when it clearly was. Then telling me that I needed to actually read the testimony instead of getting my info from "sources" when he clearly did not take his own advice.

I think people are referring to the times that Manafort flew around the world to give some sort of confidential polling data to a Russian operative. Not his other shady dealings. The entire reason he went to the Trump campaign was because he thought he could settle a debt by feeding the Russians information from the campaign. He volunteered to work for free for Trump, he wanted access that badly. He belongs in jail, but Trump corruptly pardoned him.

I believe he was sharing Trump's polling data with Russians? Yeah, I agree, that's shady, but I don't see how that's helping Trump's campaign in any way. It seems to me that he was looking out for his own financial gains, not trying to influence the election.

As said, all of this is completely abnormal for any presidential campaign. Trump deserved every bit of the investigations he received.

I think I've said in the SR forum before the Trump absolutely brought most of this upon himself. So, yeah, I absolutely agree with that.