How to improve American Education in 2021. (1 Viewer)

[Paul]

The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

American students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international assessments of math, science and reading.

www.pewresearch.org

My suggestion is rather simple.

1. Study why immigrants from East Asia, India, and Nigeria do well with American education. Apply that insight to other groups (if possible).
2. Manage public schools as if though they were private schools with uniforms and discipline.
3. Create high end special schools for those that are truly disenfranchised.
4. Create a force of social workers to treat family dysfunction with regards to education.
5. Reduce the curriculum to the simple basics and repeat that on a yearly basis.
6. At about 10th grade divide college bound students away from non-college bound.
7. Provide solid basic education and trade training for non-college bound kids. There is no point in offering free college to these kids.

 

[brandon]

it is a great school system that doesn't push politics or indoctrination

Like every public school system.

 

[Paul]

In Louisiana where they don't put an emphasis on education because no one wants to pay the taxes necessary to, I would agree.

In MD we have some of the best public schools in the nation, better than a whole lot of the private schools out there, we also have some of the highest local taxes.

I live in MD outside DC. Taxes are high when real estate values are high and when affluent people live in the neighborhood. The schools in these areas generally quite good, but the caliber of students is also quite high. I believe the biggest factor in a great education is having great parents.

 

[Nebaghead]

I live in MD outside DC. Taxes are high when real estate values are high and when affluent people live in the neighborhood. The schools in these areas generally quite good, but the caliber of students is also quite high. I believe the biggest factor in a great education is having great parents.

Just to clarify, being married doesn’t make you a great parent. Plenty of single moms or dads out there that are good parents and push their children. Not having money to pay for opportunities for those kids is a different story. Working two jobs to make ends meet and not being able to supervise your kids as much hurts too.
Money is more of the issue than anything else. My wife has some self entitled parents who complain about the grades their kids get and are terrible parents who claim their kids are good students when they aren’t. When you are worrying about your next meal or paying your bills, it’s hard to really focus on your kids grades and helping them study.

 

[Paul]

Just to clarify, being married doesn’t make you a great parent. Plenty of single moms or dads out there that are good parents and push their children. Not having money to pay for opportunities for those kids is a different story. Working two jobs to make ends meet and not being able to supervise your kids as much hurts too.
Money is more of the issue than anything else. My wife has some self entitled parents who complain about the grades their kids get and are terrible parents who claim their kids are good students when they aren’t. When you are worrying about your next meal or paying your bills, it’s hard to really focus on your kids grades and helping them study.

I do not disagree.

When it comes to education---------giving a state of the art school to kids that live in poverty is less efficient than a plan to create a loving functional hone where education is important and there are no economic issues.

I still favor two parents over one. Two parents is always an advantage for the children in America. Study after study shows that kids form two parent homes score better academically.

I have three daughters with children of their own and they make sure their kids are learning. They quit their careers to stay home and help the kids along. They get an education at school plus heavy duty home schooling on the side. Some Chinese kids go to math camp in the summer rather than sports camp.

 

[Nebaghead]

I do not disagree.

When it comes to education---------giving a state of the art school to kids that live in poverty is less efficient than a plan to create a loving functional hone where education is important and there are no economic issues.

I still favor two parents over one. Two parents is always an advantage for the children in America. Study after study shows that kids form two parent homes score better academically.

I have three daughters with children of their own and they make sure their kids are learning. They quit their careers to stay home and help the kids along. They get an education at school plus heavy duty home schooling on the side. Some Chinese kids go to math camp in the summer rather than sports camp.

Stay at home mom and math camp are financial advantages and have more to do with poverty than marital status.
My wife’s experience as a teacher the last 10 years has been money played more into student academics than parents being married.

 

[samiam5211]

Some Chinese kids go to math camp in the summer rather than sports camp.

Are Chinese kids the only ones who go to Math camp?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Instead of religious indoctrination, these Catholic schools can teach more math -- I guarantee you it would be more useful!

 

[Paul]

Stay at home mom and math camp are financial advantages and have more to do with poverty than marital status.
My wife’s experience as a teacher the last 10 years has been money played more into student academics than parents being married.

Money is important, but study after study shows kid from two parent homes do better in America/ Obviously two parent homes often have more income and extra time to spend with the children. However, I suspect a single parents would do OK if they had extra money and not have to work long hours.

U.S. Students from Two-Parent Families Achieve a Grade Level Higher than Peers from Single-Parent Families

The United States has one of the highest percentages of single-parent families among developed countries

www.educationnext.org

 

[Paul]

Are Chinese kids the only ones who go to Math camp?

Jewish, Indian, and some Nigerians go too. It is no wonder they kick arse (compared to other POC) when it comes to academics.

 

[samiam5211]

Jewish, Indian, and some Nigerians go too. It is no wonder they kick arse (compared to other POC) when it comes to academics.

What nationalities do you think are attending the below camp?

For K-7 Students — Memphis Teacher Residency (MTR)

memphistr.org

 

[Farb]

Instead of religious indoctrination, these Catholic schools can teach more math -- I guarantee you it would be more useful!

Are catholic schools students not performing well? Can you show me the receipts where the catholic schools are failing their students? I can show you where public schools are failing their students.

 

[Paul]

Instead of religious indoctrination, these Catholic schools can teach more math -- I guarantee you it would be more useful!

It is quite obvious you know nothing about Catholic schools. In many areas non Catholic parents send their kids to the school for academics. Catholics tend to be more like Ted Kennedy or Joe Biden, they do not proselytize. People do not go to Georgetown Law school to learn about God.

 

[Farb]

It is quite obvious you know nothing about Catholic schools. In many areas non Catholic parents send their kids to the school for academics. Catholics tend to be more like Ted Kennedy or Joe Biden, they do not proselytize. People do not go to Georgetown Law school to learn about God.

They know that, but theirs's is a new religion so they don't play well with other religions yet. It is much more fun to smile as you type a zinger of a passive aggressive post against the 'old' religions.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

It is quite obvious you know nothing about Catholic schools. In many areas non Catholic parents send their kids to the school for academics. Catholics tend to be more like Ted Kennedy or Joe Biden, they do not proselytize. People do not go to Georgetown Law school to learn about God.

False equivalency to mention a college and law school when we're talking about secondary education. On point, are you saying Catholic secondary schools do not dedicate coursework to studying the faith? I stand by my opinion that even ten seconds of instructions on math is more valuable than ten seconds of education on religion. Yes, I'm one of those.

 

[Paul]

False equivalency to mention a college and law school when we're talking about secondary education.

Fair, point, but you know exactly what I mean.

On point, are you saying Catholic secondary schools do not dedicate coursework to studying the faith? I stand by my opinion that even ten seconds of instructions on math is more valuable than ten seconds of education on religion. Yes, I'm one of those.

I am an agnostic even though i was raised Catholic. Religion plays some role in culture and creates unity. AS I said Ted Kennedy was quite the liberal.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Fair, point, but you know exactly what I mean.

I am an agnostic even though i was raised Catholic. Religion plays some role in culture and creates unity. AS I said Ted Kennedy was quite the liberal.

World would be better off without it, imo. Although predominantly a wholly different topic, if we never had religion it's interesting to think how the void would potentially be filled with other intellectual pursuits... like math! The two dovetail somewhat when it comes to a search for meaning/understanding the world/universe. No doubt Ted Kennedy was a liberal but then you have Amy COMMIE (I love that one) Barrett who is basically Paul Bettany from the Da Vinci Code.

 

[Farb]

World would be better off without it, imo. Although predominantly a wholly different topic, if we never had religion it's interesting to think how the void would potentially be filled with other intellectual pursuits... like math! The two dovetail somewhat when it comes to a search for meaning/understanding the world/universe. No doubt Ted Kennedy was a liberal but then you have Amy COMMIE (I love that one) Barrett who is basically Paul Bettany from the Da Vinci Code.

If I had to guess, I don't think we would have evolved enough to have other intellectual pursuits. Religion or the human desire to understand the world that he lives is found the world over from the very beginning. Every group of humans had some type of supernatural force they tried to understand.

 

[Paul]

World would be better off without it, imo. Although predominantly a wholly different topic, if we never had religion it's interesting to think how the void would potentially be filled with other intellectual pursuits... like math! The two dovetail somewhat when it comes to a search for meaning/understanding the world/universe.

In ancients times there was very little science. physics or math to explain the world. Hence religion was used to explained the world. The first clans of humans were united through kinship. To expand the clan beyond kinship a unifying theme was needed and that was religion. I am not certain we would be where we are without religion. Atheism became a thing just the other day in terms of the history of mankind.

No doubt Ted Kennedy was a liberal but then you have Amy COMMIE (I love that one) Barrett who is basically Paul Bettany from the Da Vinci Code.

ACB, is very Catholic, but she may be more fair to others than someone that follows the SJW religion. Do not forget that sometimes people develop religion over non-deity themes such as socialism, anti-racism, social justice, etc. Religion based on a non-deity can be quite dangerous. These are the people that practice the end justifies the means.