General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (7 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[bird]

Harris has been hiding from reporters and interviews since she was installed in the coup. Do you think her previous interviews when she was running for president or when she was a VP is relevant to her now being the Democrat nominee?

How do we know which policies she still supports or ones that she doesn't? That's pretty important for a presidential candidate right?

Her goal is to hide as long as possible, avoid specific policy questions as much as possible, and try not to make herself look like the idiot that she is like she did here:



It sounds like you are more concerned about the vibes.

The Democrats constantly say they must be elected to protect democracy from Trump. They claim democracy will end and we won't have anymore elections if Trump wins.

It's strictly a campaign slogan because Harris and Obama forcing Biden out through the threat of the 25 amendment is about an anti-democracy as you can get.

You are a liar, period. There was no coup. Of course, we know what one looks like because your false god started one that fizzled out. Biden was not guaranteed running for a second term. No President is. Don’t you think Johnson talked with family, friends and advisors before deciding not to run for a second term? Beyond that Harris on her own and Obama had no power or authority to force the use of the 25th amendment. Obama in particular had no power to do so but I know the MAGAs have been screeching since a Black man got elected president. The hard things for you to understand or accept are that conspiracies like you are attempting to push have weaknesses. The principal weakness is three simple words: somebody else knows. Do you honestly think that in a town like DC that conspiracy would never have come to light? The second problem which, imo, is your real issue is that Biden genuinely loves this country. I know that love of country is a foreign concept to a cultist such as yourself but it is real for Biden. I have no doubt that there were discussions. I have no doubt that he wanted to stay in. I also have no doubt that he saw writing on the wall. And because he loves the country he made his decision. Frankly, it is disgusting that a cultist such as yourself disparages what Biden has done during his career and presidency with you conspiracy theories based upon wishing for a declining, deranged, racist misogynistic grifter to be put back in the presidency.

Why do you hate America?

 

[efil4]

Trump campaign is also claiming that they have footage proving that ‘altercation’ with the cemetery employee didn’t happen the way the media is portraying it

But won’t release that footage because reasons

of course.

Trumps: " We HAVE the footage exonerating us"

Everyone else : "lets see it"

Trumps: "No....but trust us"

 

[efil4]

Sure, there will be glimpses of some minimal rational thought, but that is far and few between ( and the time between has increased ). Immediately followed by stuff you just quoted. ( which has become more and more frequent )

Explain how letting the elites in your party pick the nominee with zero input from voters is supporting democracy.

Remember, the Democrats have rigged 3 straight Presidential primaries(2016 and 2020 against Sanders) and 2024 by not allowing anyone to run against Biden and now again with Obama picking Harris.

You think fixing the primary against sanders in 2016 was okay?

Why do the Democrats not trust their own voters?

Ah so you have no reply. Weak deflection attempt. I guess you aren't as principled as you claimed to be in the past.

told ya.

 

[Huntn]

Ah so you have no reply. Weak deflection attempt. I guess you aren't as principled as you claimed to be in the past.

Oh principled, says the “insurrection is my middle name, Trump” supporter… quite the projection gig you have going on here.

 

[Nebaghead]

Explain how letting the elites in your party pick the nominee with zero input from voters is supporting democracy.

Remember, the Democrats have rigged 3 straight Presidential primaries(2016 and 2020 against Sanders) and 2024 by not allowing anyone to run against Biden and now again with Obama picking Harris.

You think fixing the primary against sanders in 2016 was okay?

Why do the Democrats not trust their own voters?

The party hates the choice so much that the dems are all behind her.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Ah so you have no reply. Weak deflection attempt. I guess you aren't as principled as you claimed to be in the past.

Is this some sort of attempt to goad me? At this point you need to prove to me that you're worth my time. I don't believe you to be a serious person.

 

[Huntn]

Harris has been hiding from reporters and interviews since she was installed in the coup.

Are you auditioning for a slot in the Second Trump Administration? You’d be a top contender for member of the Fool’Ya Public Relations Ministry. However, your obvious challenge is preaching to anyone outside of The Cult unless you’re just going for Professional Troll or Head Pot Stirrer here at MAP.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Trump campaign is also claiming that they have footage proving that ‘altercation’ with the cemetery employee didn’t happen the way the media is portraying it

But won’t release that footage because reasons

because it could be used in a court against them. tump may have learned a lesson amazing.

 

[MT15]

I think what it really comes down to is this: SFL sees it all slipping away. I think he is a true believer who was convinced long ago to quit believing actual reporting and only believe Twitter trolls. And as he has slowly moved away from reality, he’s been sucked into a cult of personality. He actually believes Trump is something he is most definitely not - someone who cares about this country.

And he is now dimly aware that Trump is alienating larger and larger swaths of voters, and it makes him respond in the way we are seeing here. Furiously and desperately.

The thing is those grifters who have been deceiving him for years will be just fine. They will move on to their next grift. But people who believed them will have possibly damaged friendships and family relationships - and sometimes irreparably. It’s just sad all the way around. Whether SFL can come back to reality at this point is unknown. It takes a big person to admit they were wrong.

He’s backed himself into a corner. I just want him to know that if he decides to let go of the cult and come back to reality - I won’t hold a grudge. He could be a welcome contributor here and we need rational voices from the more conservative side.

 

[Lapaz]

Yahoo has an article that provides a comparison of each of the candidates. It's interesting that Trump hasn't taken a stance on a few of these.

Why Kamala Harris's approach to capital gains is generating so much controversy

A top business world critique of Kamala Harris since becoming the Democratic nominee is her endorsement of plans from the Biden administration that would reshape how the assets of America's richest citizens are taxed.

www.yahoo.com

Here is my opinion on each for discussion:

Income Tax cuts: Harris' plan to keep the cuts for people under $400k is the better policy for the economy. Trump's plan to make all tax cuts permanent, including for the higher income people is a gift to the rich and will add to the deficit. I only differ from Harris in that I would advocate that the cuts for those under $400k be made permanent. Also, at some point that will need to be linked to inflation.

Corporate Tax cuts: Harris is more right, but I don't like raising it as much. I wouldn't raise it from 21 to 28, I would only raise the rates a little to at most 25%, because raising it more could hurt the economy. Trump's plan to lower it even further will further add to the deficit, without appreciably helping the economy.

Other income: Both eliminate taxes on tips, which I'm okay with, because I think people cheat on what they report anyway. Current taxes encourages tipping with cash to hide the amounts. I wouldn't eliminate taxes on social security for all people, because that income was never taxed. If their earnings from all sources put them below the threshold that would pay income taxes, then they wouldn't pay taxes anyway. If they have extra income to put them into a higher bracket, then this is just a gift to higher earnings.

Child care tax credit: I support the increase proposed by Harris. I would like Harris to link these credits to inflation so it would go up each year. Trump hasn't taken a stance.

Green energy: I love that Harris will support Biden's plans, but will ease the electric vehicle adoption, but I don't like that she's backing off of the green electricity production. I own a plug-in hybrid that gets 35 miles of all electric range, and I think that is the best compromise, because the infrastructure isn't ready throughout the country, so it is appropriate to ease the electric vehicle mandate. I would like the government to invest in that infrastructure, including green production, which I think is part of Harris' plan. Trump wants to kill subsidies, which is far worse for the world's motivation to improve on climate change.

Healthcare: I don't favor Harris' plan to keep subsidies for higher income people. I think they can afford to pay without subsidies. I support forgiving medical debt for low income doctors that serve rural and low income communities, and any others that have a dearth of doctors. Trump's plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act, would cause medical inflation, and result in many people losing coverage, which will lead some to lose their life's savings and many will die due to delayed healthcare. It is a horrible idea to repeal a useful healthcare tool.

Immigration: I support Harris' plans to limit asylum and essentially sign the bi-partisan bill. On the other hand, I actually support expanding and improving the border wall, but not to the extent Trump advocates. I don't want walls added everywhere, since it isn't practical nor necessary everywhere, and creates more problems in some areas. Despite Trump's demagoguery on the wall and demonization of immigrants, walls are part of the solution to control entry, but not the silver bullet Trump believes. I oppose Trump's mass deportation plan, which will lead to huge civil liberty abuses against many innocent people. Trump's mass deportation would be a huge stain on the country.

Housing: I don't support Harris' plan to enact a $25k subsidy for first time home buyers, but I do support her plan to incentivize the supply. I think the $25k subsidy will be inflationary. It will result in all homes going up roughly $25k. The supply side is a much better approach to make the houses affordable. Maybe there is a way to do it without causing housing price inflation, but I'm skeptical. I'm totally against Trump's plan to pressure the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low, because that will eliminate a huge tool to stabilize inflation. I'm totally opposed Trump's plan to open federal land to development. I don't know what regulations he plans to ease, but I'm open to that.

Drug prices: I love Biden and Harris' plan to negotiate Medicare drug prices, since it is outrageous that the prices are so much lower in other countries. Trump's plan to soften negotiations is unclear, but I suspect it won't help consumers.

Ukraine: Harris' plan to continue aid to Ukraine is perfect, especially since it is renewing our stocks, which we sometimes destroy due to age. Trump's settlement plan is likely to have Ukraine appease and give yield their land to Russia, even though Russia is likely to lose if Trump loses. Putin is praying for a Trump victory.

Minimum wage: Harris' $15 mandate is not unreasonable, but will be slightly inflationary. I'm not opposed to raising it, but not doubling it, and I prefer the earned income tax credit approach. Trump's plan to keep it as is is bad, because it needs to be increased and it should be linked to inflation from now on. I would support a modest raise to $10 and then link it to inflation.

Student debt: I don't agree with either candidate on this one. I'm not in favor of Harris' plan to forgive student debt. I favor limiting annual payments based on a person's income and limiting the length of the loan payments to 30 years. I think the forgiveness diminishes the sacrifices that many people made that worked their way through college, so income based limits balances out some aid without diminishing the value of the efforts of the people that had to work their way through school. The debt forgiveness is also going to be paid by others indirectly, since banks will have to write-off those loans. Trump's plan to do nothing is also not good.

 

[SamAndreas]

Imagine defending a President candidate hiding from reporters and interviews and when she finally agreed to one she had to have her support animal in Walz. She can't even do the interview by herself. You guys would be constantly making fun of Trump if he did that.

Imagine the way you talk??? "... her support animal in Walz."



You're supporting the convicted Criminal for crying out loud,,, THAT AWFUL CRIMINAL. A convicted criminal awaiting sentencing in 19 or 20 days. Awaiting trial on other serious felony charges as well.

How can he be President from inside a prison cell???

 

[Huntn]

Dup post

 

[Huntn]

I think what it really comes down to is this: SFL sees it all slipping away. I think he is a true believer who was convinced long ago to quit believing actual reporting and only believe Twitter trolls. And as he has slowly moved away from reality, he’s been sucked into a cult of personality. He actually believes Trump is something he is most definitely not - someone who cares about this country.

And he is now dimly aware that Trump is alienating larger and larger swaths of voters, and it makes him respond in the way we are seeing here. Furiously and desperately.

The thing is those grifters who have been deceiving him for years will be just fine. They will move on to their next grift. But people who believed them will have possibly damaged friendships and family relationships - and sometimes irreparably. It’s just sad all the way around. Whether SFL can come back to reality at this point is unknown. It takes a big person to admit they were wrong.

He’s backed himself into a corner. I just want him to know that if he decides to let go of the cult and come back to reality - I won’t hold a grudge. He could be a welcome contributor here and we need rational voices from the more conservative side.

After making a mountain of smoke filled, projectionist, blatantly false political assertions, in defense of the most prominent Insurrectionist in the country, that would be quite the transformation.

 

[MT15]

After making a mountain of smoke filled, projectionist, blatantly false political assertions, in defense of the most prominent Insurrectionist in the country, that would be quite the transformation.

Hope springs eternal.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Trump campaign is also claiming that they have footage proving that ‘altercation’ with the cemetery employee didn’t happen the way the media is portraying it

But won’t release that footage because reasons

They might want to hurry up and release that video

Army confirms Arlington cemetery employee ‘pushed aside’ during ‘unfortunate incident’ with Trump campaign – live

Arlington national cemetery says employee was ‘abruptly pushed aside’ while trying to ensure Trump’s campaign staffers followed rules, US army confirms

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump’s campaign insists that they’re pursuing multiple strategies against Kamala Harris, but the true picture that is emerging is that the Trump senior advisers’ grand plan, for now, is to pray that the former US president has a good night at the presidential debate next month.

The game plan, in other words, has become one of hoping that Trump wins the debate so they can regain momentum – a stunning approach that shows the serious predicament for Trump and his campaign as he struggles to find ways to land effective attacks against the vice-president just months before the election.

What has happened internally in the Trump campaign in recent weeks is the realization that nothing they do in the period up to the debate is likely to cut through in a significant way that blunts Harris’s gains that have her level in key swing state polls, according to people close to the matter.

And because they don’t think the messaging will cut through, senior advisers are left hoping that Trump can energize voters with his performance on stage, the people said.……

Trump campaign strategy pivots to praying he wins September debate

As former president fails to land attacks against Harris campaign, advisers hope to capitalize on upcoming debate

www.theguardian.com

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You guys claimed Biden was fine until he was exposed after the debate although the true Blue Anon still claim Biden is fine cognitively.

Now you all are defending a presidential candidate who never received a single vote from voters, has been hiding from reporters and the media, doesn't have any policy positions on her website, and that she is unable to sit down for an interview by herself.

Who's in the cult again?

You. It's still you.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Explain how letting the elites in your party pick the nominee with zero input from voters is supporting democracy.

Remember, the Democrats have rigged 3 straight Presidential primaries(2016 and 2020 against Sanders) and 2024 by not allowing anyone to run against Biden and now again with Obama picking Harris.

You think fixing the primary against sanders in 2016 was okay?

Why do the Democrats not trust their own voters?

so what you are saying the gov't should spend millions of dollars to have another primary? I know you are butt hurt over Harris having a better chance to beat Trump than Biden.
But i would really love for you to answer my question about should the past presidents who were elected before parties did primaries, if you consider them legit?
I wish you could give one point on why it matters if she was voted for or chosen to be nominated (we've asked multiple times) ,you just keep spouting "but no one voted for her"..
You will see how many people will vote for her in November when she wins. and that will be the proof in the pudding that they made the right choice.
But i serously doubt you can up with one LOGICAL reason why it matters.. just one... thats all im asking...