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[SamAndreas]

From the SUN Chronicle, https://www.thesunchronicle.com/upl...age_e7738c3d-d7ed-58e9-9641-8a971999fc92.html

Funnies from yesteryear are OK in this thread as well.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

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[Dragon]

 

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[SamAndreas]

I found the photo and it was a part of a Twitter post. It has a comment which bothers me. Someone on the left is acting like those asine right wing Oath Keepers. It said:

"Dear US Marines,

Please DO NOT obey unlawful orders from this lawless President. Do the right thing.

Sincerely,America"

What is wrong with that is the penalty for disobeying orders is so severe. Legal and illegal orders are hard to sort out. Mistakes can be made quite easily, so what the poster is asking a serviceperson to do is not good advice, because if the serviceperson sticks out his or her neck and places it on the line he or she might even be killed on the spot. However it's more likely that a long prison term will be the punishment.

It's a matter of conscience, that service person's personal conscience, not the person who posted that asine message. The service person has all of their skin in the game, the poster has no skin in the game whatsoever.

I hate the Oath Keepers with passion, let's not become asine Oath Keepers on the left shale we?

 

[Dragon]

I found the photo and it was a part of a Twitter post. It has a comment which bothers me. Someone on the left is acting like those asine right wing Oath Keepers. It said:

"Dear US Marines,

Please DO NOT obey unlawful orders from this lawless President. Do the right thing.

Sincerely,America"

What is wrong with that is the penalty for disobeying orders is so severe. Legal and illegal orders are hard to sort out. Mistakes can be made quite easily, so what the poster is asking a serviceperson to do is not good advice, because if the serviceperson sticks out his or her neck and places it on the line he or she might even be killed on the spot. However it's more likely that a long prison term will be the punishment.

It's a matter of conscience, that service person's personal conscience, not the person who posted that asine message. The service person has all of their skin in the game, the poster has no skin in the game whatsoever.

I hate the Oath Keepers with passion, let's not become asine Oath Keepers on the left shale we?

It's a tough call, but two key points matter:

“I was just following orders” is no legal shield. Military law rejects this excuse when the order is obviously illegal—such as orders to kill civilians at My Lai, which resulted in convictions like Lt. William Calley’s

Refusing illegal orders is rare—and risky. Yet some have done the right thing: IDF reservist Amos Kennan refused orders to destroy villages after 1967 and got the orders rescinded while others has been found guilty and punished. So yes—you can get punished either way.
It’s a split-second decision between obeying an illegal order or refusing and defying command—made even harder in crises.

Here’s the real question:
What would you do if ordered to fire on peaceful demonstrators? Would you follow orders... or your conscience?

 

[SamAndreas]

It's a tough call, but two key points matter:

“I was just following orders” is no legal shield. Military law rejects this excuse when the order is obviously illegal—such as orders to kill civilians at My Lai, which resulted in convictions like Lt. William Calley’s

Refusing illegal orders is rare—and risky. Yet some have done the right thing: IDF reservist Amos Kennan refused orders to destroy villages after 1967 and got the orders rescinded while others has been found guilty and punished. So yes—you can get punished either way.
It’s a split-second decision between obeying an illegal order or refusing and defying command—made even harder in crises.

Here’s the real question:
What would you do if ordered to fire on peaceful demonstrators? Would you follow orders... or your conscience?

I've already covered the topic thoroughly. The real reality of the situation is one where what if questions don't deal with it. It is a split second evaluation of something which is very complicated.

I have had the training which included some study of military law. I know the basics. In my entire life this is the first time I've seen an illegal order being issued. No one ever gave me an illegal order. It is truly rare for an order to be illegal simply because almost all orders are legal.

For instance what if questions don't deal with one person's peaceful protestors being another person's violent protestors. it's a matter of opinion. Under certain circumstances opening fire on "peaceful protesters" could be a legal order.

This in LA doesn't happen to be one of those fire on the protestors circumstances in my opinion. Only the order to go there is the illegal part so far.

As I said before I would not go, I would resign. I wouldn't be there. But if I did end up there I would obey any follow up orders, unless perhaps they did order me to open fire on the protestors. (unless it was situationally justified that I would indeed shoot them if so ordered.)

That hasn't happened in LA, not yet.

When people are throwing broken cinder blocks, and burning cars, that is not a peaceful protest. I regard that as a violent protest. Peaceful people are there, but they are not all of the people who are there. And there is a very real factor of human behaviour that mob dynamics are not the same as normal going about life social dynamics.

The clearly Illegal portion of the orders is that the CIC ordered the guard into this fray without the governor of the state signing off on that decision. It's illegal under the constitution unless an insurrection is taking place. That doesn't mean that every order a serviceperson might receive will also be illegal if they are there in LA. There's the moment by moment parts to deal with.

If Trump imposes the insurrection act, and he can, then even this is debacle is not illegal insofar as orders.

 

[SamAndreas]

@Dragon I have a photo for you. It reminds me of your avatar:

It's a volcano in Italy. On Mount Etna

 

[Dragon]

@Dragon I have a photo for you. It reminds me of your avatar:

It's a volcano in Italy. On Mount Etna

Thanks Yes it kind of looks like that My avatar is actually inspired by a Scifi book that I read while in my early teens. A book that in many ways dealt with power, responsibility and balance in both in life and in the universe. (The wizzard of Earthsea - LeGuin)

 

[Dragon]

 

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[MT15]

 

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[bird]

Saw a pup at the protest we were at that had a sandwich board sign. One side said “I poop on dictators” and the other side said “I pee on fascists”.

 

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