Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (1 Viewer)

[Dragon]

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?

After 7 p.m. Thursday, a DHS spokesperson responded, on background, that they could confirm Wolf was in Portland during the day. The spokesperson didn’t acknowledge the remaining questions.

Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

www.opb.org

This story is very troublesome.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The Proud Boys are not a joke. People don’t join because they like McInnis’s humor. That’s a brutally inaccurate generalization by Maté. But not surprising coming from him.

They aren’t new, either. They have been around since Trump’s first year. So to act like it’s new is nonsense and discussion on the group’s racism happened back on political forums prior to this site being formed.

your tweets are incorrect on all kinds of ways.

as for numbers, hundreds showed up in a single city recently. Thousands gathered in and around Charlottesville.

and they had a major social media presence until they lost some of that platform for racism and Islamaphobia and misogyny. But they are still widely, easily found because their followere post all over social media.

Yeah, the membership numbers posted are based on the small percentage who are naive enough to formally associate their name to the group. The smarter, and probably more dangerous, participants in the Proud Boy's activities know that they're much better off if they participate in anonymity instead of outing themselves by formally signing up as members.

 

[DaveXA]

I'm not at all familiar with the Proud Boys. Are they an offshoot of the KKK or something different?

 

[SaintForLife]

The Proud Boys are not a joke. People don’t join because they like McInnis’s humor. That’s a brutally inaccurate generalization by Maté. But not surprising coming from him.

They aren’t new, either. They have been around since Trump’s first year. So to act like it’s new is nonsense and discussion on the group’s racism happened back on political forums prior to this site being formed.

your tweets are incorrect on all kinds of ways.

as for numbers, hundreds showed up in a single city recently. Thousands gathered in and around Charlottesville.

and they had a major social media presence until they lost some of that platform for racism and Islamaphobia and misogyny. But they are still widely, easily found because their followere post all over social media.

Do you know their actual numbers? They seem to be a small group despite the media purposely inflating their reach and influence while they try to ignore the left wingers commiting violence.

You don't think their numbers even come close to the violent left wing rioters that are destroying businesses and properties correct?

Proud Boys rally in Portland draws only about 200 after city braced for thousands

Proud Boys rally in Portland draws only about 200 after city braced for thousands

Among the rallygoers who gathered at a city park were dozens wearing militarized body armor, including helmets and protective vests. Many flew American flags, and some had long guns.

www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[SaintForLife]

Yeah, the membership numbers posted are based on the small percentage who are naive enough to formally associate their name to the group. The smarter, and probably more dangerous, participants in the Proud Boy's activities know that they're much better off if they participate in anonymity instead of outing themselves by formally signing up as members.

Are they just an idea and not an organization like Biden claimed about Antifa at the debate?

 

[Ayo]

I do not think they are a small group.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Are they just an idea and not an organization like Biden claimed about Antifa at the debate?

No, they are not just an idea. They are a highly organized, branded group with a centralized structure of power and communication network spread out across several social communications platforms.

The numbers of people participating in their social communications network, as well as in in their self recorded activities across the nation, are proof that their numbers are in the thousands and not hundreds.

Those who are anti-fascists (so called "Antifa") don't have an organized, branded group with a centralized structure of power nor do they have a communication network. The only people branding people as "Antifa" are people who don't identify with being anti-fascists.

 

[Taurus]

Do you know their actual numbers? They seem to be a small group despite the media purposely inflating their reach and influence while they try to ignore the left wingers commiting violence.

You don't think their numbers even come close to the violent left wing rioters that are destroying businesses and properties correct?

Proud Boys rally in Portland draws only about 200 after city braced for thousands

Proud Boys rally in Portland draws only about 200 after city braced for thousands

Among the rallygoers who gathered at a city park were dozens wearing militarized body armor, including helmets and protective vests. Many flew American flags, and some had long guns.

www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

How many does it take to turn a march into a riot?
Twenty, maybe thirty?
If they can get 200 to show up in broad daylight in a city that's about as ideologically hostile as possible, there's thousands across the nation.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

As of July 2018 the Proud Boys had 160 members with 300 pending applications.

It took only two men to blow up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma. Any domestic terrorist organization is worth investigating and monitoring.

 

[SaintForLife]

It took only two men to blow up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma. Any domestic terrorist organization is worth investigating and monitoring.

I never claimed it wasn't worth monitoring and investigating. What I said was the national media and Democrats have acted like Proud Boys are larger than they really are while they act like the left wing rioters and anarchists are smaller and less of a concern.

 

[LA - L.A.]

What I said was the national media and Democrats have acted like Proud Boys are larger than they really are while they act like the left wing rioters and anarchists are smaller and less of a concern.

You have said that, but objective facts show that what you said is questionable at best and most likely not true.

 

[SaintForLife]

No, they are not just an idea. They are a highly organized, branded group with a centralized structure of power and communication network spread out across several social communications platforms.

The numbers of people participating in their social communications network, as well as in in their self recorded activities across the nation, are proof that their numbers are in the thousands and not hundreds.

Those who are anti-fascists (so called "Antifa") don't have an organized, branded group with a centralized structure of power nor do they have a communication network. The only people branding people as "Antifa" are people who don't identify with being anti-fascists.

For a group that's supposedly not organized Antifa has committed a lot of violence and have damaged a lot of property. Proud Boy seem like they are more about physically fighting Antifa than destroying property.

 

[SaintForLife]

You have said that, but objective facts show that what you said is questionable at best and most likely not true.

Nobody believes that except people on the left.

 

[Nebaghead]

Nobody believes that except people on the left.

Oh, like the FBI who said white supremacist are the biggest domestic terrorist threat.

FBI now classifies far-right Proud Boys as 'extremist group', documents say

Group is now designated ‘with ties to white nationalism’ according to report produced by Washington law enforcement

www.google.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Oh, like the FBI who said white supremacist are the biggest domestic terrorist threat. Not ANTIFA.

Nobody believes the Proud Boys are a bigger threat than the left wingers rioting and damaging property. Are all white supremacists Proud Boys?

 

[LA - L.A.]

I'll respond in two parts:

For a group that's supposedly not organized Antifa has committed a lot of violence and have damaged a lot of property. For a group that's supposedly not organized Antifa has committed a lot of violence and have damaged a lot of property.

The actual truth is that almost all of the people who have committed violence and damaged property have been accused of belonging to a non-existent group called "Antifa."

Show me objective evidence that proves those people were members of the mythical group "Antifa."

Show me the objective evidence of someone clearly declaring themselves as belonging to an organization called "Antifa" while committing violence and/or destroying property.

Anyone can claim something is true. It's only convincing when they demonstrate objective evidence of that claim.

Proud Boy seem like they are more about physically fighting Antifa than destroying property.

Which is worse and more dangerous, physical harm or property harm?

 

[Taurus]

For a group that's supposedly not organized Antifa has committed a lot of violence and have damaged a lot of property. Proud Boy seem like they are more about physically fighting Antifa than destroying property.

You have that exactly backwards.

 

[Nebaghead]

Nobody believes the Proud Boys are a bigger threat than the left wingers rioting and damaging property. Are all white supremacists Proud Boys?

The mother loving FBI classified them as a domestic terrorist grouping. Show me where they classified the BLM group as that. Riot and looting is bad no matter who does it. The MO of BLM is t rioting, the Proud Boys is to incite violence. Their rule to join is to fight someone for the cause.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Nobody believes the Proud Boys are a bigger threat than the left wingers rioting and damaging property.

I do.

Several posters in this thread have clearly stated they do and offered objective evidence to support those beliefs.

The FBI does.

Most of the citizens of Portland do.

National polls have shown that the majority of Americans do.

Is it your contention that we are all "nobody."

The Proud Boys don't have to be all white supremacists to be a significant part of the threat of white supremacists.