Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (1 Viewer)

[Dragon]

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?

After 7 p.m. Thursday, a DHS spokesperson responded, on background, that they could confirm Wolf was in Portland during the day. The spokesperson didn’t acknowledge the remaining questions.

Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

www.opb.org

This story is very troublesome.

 

[CoolBrees]

Here is my wife getting gassed while she is trying to help someone asking for help

New video by Steve Baumgardner

photos.app.goo.gl

 

[CoolBrees]

I have over 10hours if footage from her. The attorney general for Oregon has asked for her footage and for her to be a witness

and Farb-I truly believe you when you say what you say. I hope though, since you are smart guy, you might be able to look inward and see that these aren’t crazy Antifa. This is moms and dads and kids being attacked daily by a federal proxy army because to use the real army would be unconstitutional

 

[Farb]

I am sure you and your wife are great people but I answered a persistent questions honestly even when I gave my stance a week ago. Surprisingly, nothing has changed. I would love to see the video and I am never closed minded and will always change my stance on an issue. I will also say my mind is rarely, if ever, changed with a 15 second video. I would probably need (granted probably not available) the leading up to and deescalation of a riot/attack/ whatever.

As far as the education level of those 'moms' involved, great. They went college and got advance degrees. To be completely honest again, that pretty much told me everything I need to know as well and only entrenched my original stance as correct.

As far as these people getting attacked by the feds, stop attacking the courthouse and I promise you there will be no gas or rubber bullets. But that won't bring in the attention.

Again, not trying to be snarky or be a complete ahole, but I am being 100% honest.

 

[CoolBrees]

Well at least you can hang your hat on being honest.

I would rather be just

 

[Farb]

Well at least you can hang your hat on being honest.

I would rather be just

I agree, but I also believe I am both.

 

[CoolBrees]

You are the only one you have to live with and go to sleep a night. If you are able to do that then well I guess good for you

calling someone a primadonna for standing up for the rights of other Americans that they don’t know or will ever know, without even so much as asking first, doesn’t sound very just to me

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I agree, but I also believe I am both.

You are watching and supporting federal forces as they trample the constitution by assaulting peaceful protesters. You have lost any claim you may have had to being just.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Nope. It is about the same to me.
To be completely honest, I have never been to a political rally, protest or anything like that and I never see myself going to one minus a voting booth. I know it is all the rage to be an activist right now, but I have in the past and still to this day, view activists as having a screw loose so I will probably believe the LE's 99% of time over virtue signaling WWL. To me, they are about equal to the grown women that go to Disney World/Land and where bright tutus and matching shirts and socks to draw attention to themselves.
Any other questions?

MLK was an activist. John Lewis was an activist. Malala Yousafzai and Rosa Parks and Nelson Mandela. All of these people have/had "loose screws"?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I am sure you and your wife are great people but I answered a persistent questions honestly even when I gave my stance a week ago. Surprisingly, nothing has changed. I would love to see the video and I am never closed minded and will always change my stance on an issue. I will also say my mind is rarely, if ever, changed with a 15 second video. I would probably need (granted probably not available) the leading up to and deescalation of a riot/attack/ whatever.

As far as the education level of those 'moms' involved, great. They went college and got advance degrees. To be completely honest again, that pretty much told me everything I need to know as well and only entrenched my original stance as correct.

As far as these people getting attacked by the feds, stop attacking the courthouse and I promise you there will be no gas or rubber bullets. But that won't bring in the attention.

Again, not trying to be snarky or be a complete ahole, but I am being 100% honest.

No, I asked you about a different situation than the one you addressed. The fact that you see them as the same doesn't make them the same. It just makes you unable to look past your own admitted biases.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So last night she got home early, like am. Things are getting scary-

At about 11pm a woman trump supporter wielded a machete after coming screaming up the wrong way on a one way street in her huge SUV at the moms - and instead of being arrested she was given water and a mask by the feds.

then at 230 a man dressed in all brown robes took a large package out of his backpack and placed it in front of the moms and began praying to Jesus for salvation. With no authority around to help the protesters had to deal with it themselves. The man was tackled by an Antifa kid and another put himself on top of the package. It was empty but apparently these America hating Antifa kids care enough to risk their own lives to save others.

Apparently the feds didn’t come out in force out of their building, just small tactical teams that didn’t even interact with the protesters until 230 and then it was SOP of gassing, concussion grenades, and rubber bullets

the organizers are afraid they are planning an offensive for Monday when now they are expecting up to 50,000..... there were 10,000 last night and more tonight

I'm glad everyone got through the night relatively unscathed. What is happening is truly disturbing and those that are actively out there protesting are big damn heroes.

 

[Farb]

You are watching and supporting federal forces as they trample the constitution by assaulting peaceful protesters. You have lost any claim you may have had to being just.

Actually, I am watching federal forces protect a federal courthouse from being destroyed by crazy people after the local and state LEO's were told to stand down (for years in that city) by the activist politicians that care more about the optics than the law.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Actually, I am watching federal forces protect a federal courthouse from being destroyed by crazy people after the local and state LEO's were told to stand down (for years in that city) by the activist politicians that care more about the optics than the law.

You said peaceful protesters deserve to be targeted with tear gas and rubber bullets. You already said you believe law enforcement 99% of the time, which is a clear indicator that you aren't actually looking for truth. Your mind is made up regardless of the reports coming out of Portland. You get points for honesty, but they come at the expense of supporting those who would rip away our basic rights and freedoms over those that are exercising those basic rights and freedoms.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

You are watching and supporting federal forces as they trample the constitution by assaulting peaceful protesters. You have lost any claim you may have had to being just.

Actually, I am watching federal forces protect a federal courthouse from being destroyed by crazy people after the local and state LEO's were told to stand down (for years in that city) by the activist politicians that care more about the optics than the law.

So, interesting experiment. Same question to both of you. Why do you believe that?

I've been reading a lot about cognitive biases lately, and one of the fundamental questions you have to ask yourself all the time - "What do you believe, and why do you believe it?"

It's pretty interesting to do on the regular -- before coming to a conclusion about any issue is determine what standard of evidence do you need to see, and then hold yourself to it. If you find yourself constantly trying find more evidence after being presented one set of facts, that means you aren't approaching an issue openly (note this doesn't make you wrong, you just need to be aware what it is you are doing -- you have a conclusion and now you're searching for evidence to support that conclusion instead of the other way around).

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So, interesting experiment. Same question to both of you. Why do you believe that?

I've been reading a lot about cognitive biases lately, and one of the fundamental questions you have to ask yourself all the time - "What do you believe, and why do you believe it?"

It's pretty interesting to do on the regular -- before coming to a conclusion about any issue is determine what standard of evidence do you need to see, and then hold yourself to it. If you find yourself constantly trying find more evidence after being presented one set of facts, that means you aren't approaching an issue openly (note this doesn't make you wrong, you just need to be aware what it is you are doing -- you have a conclusion and now you're searching for evidence to support that conclusion instead of the other way around).

I have seen no evidence of the feds using tear gas/rubber bullets/insert "non-lethal" ammunition on a crowd of angry protesting moms.

I have seen evidence of the feds using those same things on peaceful protesters. I have seen video. I have read accounts.

I have no reason to doubt a story reported by multiple first hand sources in favor of believing the opposite from a side that has nothing to back up their claim.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I have seen no evidence of the feds using tear gas/rubber bullets/insert "non-lethal" ammunition on a crowd of angry protesting moms.

I have seen evidence of the feds using those same things on peaceful protesters. I have seen video. I have read accounts.

I have no reason to doubt a story reported by multiple first hand sources in favor of believing the opposite from a side that has nothing to back up their claim.

So, would it be fair to say that your opinion would change if you saw a different video that showed some sort of violent action occurring that was not captured on the video you saw? Ie, if you see the feds responding to violence, you would have a different opinion?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So, would it be fair to say that your opinion would change if you saw a different video that showed some sort of violent action occurring that was not captured on the video you saw? Ie, if you see the feds responding to violence, you would have a different opinion?

Absolutely. If someone had footage of the moms acting in a manner that warranted a response of tear gas, etc, I would incorporate that into my views.

 

[CoolBrees]

There is no question there are small pockets of agitators setting fires in trash cans etc. but they are the vast minority. The federal building was behind my wife in the 1 minutes protest video. Again the protests ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLOCK WITH PERMITS. The federal building isnt being attacked. At all. The moms don’t even have gear on they are in t-shirts and bike helmets. And if an agitator throws a Molotov cocktail at the building they are being singled out and ostracized.

I am here to tell you from my own experience and that of my wife- there is only one side causing violence. And they are the ICE, federal prison guards and the like destroying my city- voluntarily. And enjoying it. I can post the video of them going back in to the building two nights ago and high giving each other and laughing about attacking women.

to that point, my wife has set up a sharing folder and has put all of the footage in. She said anyone here wanting to be included in the share just needs to let me know.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Absolutely. If someone had footage of the moms acting in a manner that warranted a response of tear gas, etc, I would incorporate that into my views.

Cool. Would you say you had a pre-existing condition to believing protesters over the feds prior to viewing the video you had? Ie, would you say you were pre-disposed to believing the video without checking to see if it was selectively edited?

*Note, I'm not saying this bad, more of a way to help sort out the starting point.