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[MT15]

Disclosure: I stole this thread title from an old EE thread. Nobody goes to that board so we shall start a new one here. This doesn’t have to be political, I don’t think, if the mods will allow it. But we may start up a political discussion based on entries.

I just saw this one today. I don’t know how people this stupid can breathe, or drive a car even.

 

[Saintman2884]

So are you saying that Christmas trees are some sort of uniquely Christian symbol?

If you are, I disagree. They are common in all sorts of households, and are more of a secular convention. There is no deep Christian symbolism, that I can see.

According to the article I read they are very popular in Japan.

I'm saying that just because Christmas trees didnt start out as Christian symbols doesn't mean that some Christians can't see or view them as having some meaning or special significance over many centuries of assassimilation into European or American cultures.

As I said, religions change or adopt different attitudes and beliefs or alter old ones. Technically and historically speaking, the day Christmas falls on, December 25th, was initially celebrated on an old ancient Roman pagan holiday, Sol Invictus, 1,700 years ago? Does that mean the same Christmas holidays and its assassimilated Christian imagery, iconography, and meanings should be disavowed, disallowed and ridiculed?
You didnt answer that part of my original.answer to your question.

 

[Saintman2884]

Religion, which is not arbitrarily the same as faith, is a construct created for social control. The use of deity(s) to approve particular behaviors by power holders while proscribing behaviors by those who do not have power is an millennials old tool.

Which is also why in many Soviet-controlled Cold War Eastern Block socialist countries, churches were censored, shut down, priests imprisoned, shot in gulags, mocked and ridiculed and denied basic human rights, during Lenin's and Stalin's regimes, the League of Militant Atheists tore down, destroyed centuries-old Russian Orthodox churches, monasteries, desecrated graveyards, relics, raided and attacked Jewish synagogues, persecuted many different believers of different religions, discriminated against them in both personal and professional lives. If you werent a staunch atheist, career advancement in any Eastern European communist party was a pipe dream and really having any chance to succeed or advance one's career or life in that society was severely hampered or crippled.

Shall I repeat to.you, again, what the Chinese Communist government is doing to its ethnic Muslim Uigyars population in western China by rounding them up, imprisoning them in "reeducation camps", detention facilities, where many have reportedly suffered psychological, emotional abuse, neglect, torture, starvation and physical beatings. There have been numerous foreign independent documentaries that have interviewed former Chinese Uigyars detained there and most of their accounts seem almost reminiscent of North Korean Stalinist gulag systems.

 

[SamAndreas]

I'm saying that just because Christmas trees didnt start out as Christian symbols doesn't mean that some Christians can't see or view them as having some meaning or special significance over many centuries of assassimilation into European or American cultures.

As I said, religions change or adopt different attitudes and beliefs or alter old ones. Technically and historically speaking, the day Christmas falls on, December 25th, was initially celebrated on an old ancient Roman pagan holiday, Sol Invictus, 1,700 years ago? Does that mean the same Christmas holidays and its assassimilated Christian imagery, iconography, and meanings should be disavowed, disallowed and ridiculed?
You didnt answer that part of my original.answer to your question.

I agree with you. My family, we wouldn't have a Christmas tree in the house, but what we do have is a nice Hanukkah bush. They're so similar Christmas trees that only trained experts from the Middle East can tell the difference.



And when did you ever see one of those "experts" around.

 

[bird]

Which is also why in many Soviet-controlled Cold War Eastern Block socialist countries, churches were censored, shut down, priests imprisoned, shot in gulags, mocked and ridiculed and denied basic human rights, during Lenin's and Stalin's regimes, the League of Militant Atheists tore down, destroyed centuries-old Russian Orthodox churches, monasteries, desecrated graveyards, relics, raided and attacked Jewish synagogues, persecuted many different believers of different religions, discriminated against them in both personal and professional lives. If you werent a staunch atheist, career advancement in any Eastern European communist party was a pipe dream and really having any chance to succeed or advance one's career or life in that society was severely hampered or crippled.

Shall I repeat to.you, again, what the Chinese Communist government is doing to its ethnic Muslim Uigyars population in western China by rounding them up, imprisoning them in "reeducation camps", detention facilities, where many have reportedly suffered psychological, emotional abuse, neglect, torture, starvation and physical beatings. There have been numerous foreign independent documentaries that have interviewed former Chinese Uigyars detained there and most of their accounts seem almost reminiscent of North Korean Stalinist gulag systems.

I know about the Uighurs. I also know about Baha’is, Sufis and so on. Religion is but one tool used for social control. It has a built in advantage in that humans are hard wired, imo, to seek out reasons for why things happen and religion supplies an answer that both relieves further thought on the matter (it’s God’s plan) or supports muddling on (God will make it right in his time). Marx’s quote which too many people ignore is not just religion is the opiate of the masses but that it is also the heart in a heartless world. Btw, Stalin co-opted the Orthodox Church during the Great Patriotic War. Putin has done the same by bringing them under his umbrella to oppress others. That is not surprising.

Power holders will do what they must to hold power.

 

[MT15]

I'm saying that just because Christmas trees didnt start out as Christian symbols doesn't mean that some Christians can't see or view them as having some meaning or special significance over many centuries of assassimilation into European or American cultures.

As I said, religions change or adopt different attitudes and beliefs or alter old ones. Technically and historically speaking, the day Christmas falls on, December 25th, was initially celebrated on an old ancient Roman pagan holiday, Sol Invictus, 1,700 years ago? Does that mean the same Christmas holidays and its assassimilated Christian imagery, iconography, and meanings should be disavowed, disallowed and ridiculed?
You didnt answer that part of my original.answer to your question.

I am not ridiculing Christmas trees, I am ridiculing Tucker Carlson for saying that a homeless person causing a fire that burned a Christmas tree was an anti-Christian hate crime. Seems simple enough to me.

 

[SamAndreas]

I know about the Uighurs. I also know about Baha’is, Sufis and so on. Religion is but one tool used for social control. It has a built in advantage in that humans are hard wired, imo, to seek out reasons for why things happen and religion supplies an answer that both relieves further thought on the matter (it’s God’s plan) or supports muddling on (God will make it right in his time). Marx’s quote which too many people ignore is not just religion is the opiate of the masses but that it is also the heart in a heartless world. Btw, Stalin co-opted the Orthodox Church during the Great Patriotic War. Putin has done the same by bringing them under his umbrella to oppress others. That is not surprising.

Power holders will do what they must to hold power.

You're right, this is what's about that:

 

[nolaspe]

I was under the impression that Christmas trees were actually pagan symbols. I did not realize they were Christian.

So, yeah, I just checked. Christmas trees were pagan in origin and never part of the Christian faith alone. They have nothing to do with Jesus, and are now observed as a tradition by people of many different faiths. They are extremely popular in Japan, I read.

This deserves a big old

Oh, and police think it was a homeless person who set the Fox tree on fire.

 

[SamAndreas]

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Three males charged with arson for fire that destroyed 13 homes in Montana - Wildfire Today

Three teens have been charged with arson for starting two fires last week, one of which destroyed 13 homes, 16 outbuildings, and numerous vehicles in Gibson Flats just south of Great Falls, Montana. Those charged were Brandon Cordell Bennett, Jr. 18; Jevin James Mclean, 19; and Galvinn Coates...

wildfiretoday.com

“One of the defendants disclosed that all three of them were driving around the area the night this occurred smoking marijuana and shooting fireworks at each other inside the vehicle,” Cascade County Sheriff Jesse Slaughter said in a news conference.

The Sheriff said the fact that no one was killed was a “complete miracle.”

In this video it is stated that both fires were set intentionally by one of the kids in the car. He will no doubt become a long time hardened resident of Deer Lodge, Montana. The other two will probably just be resident there for a little while.

 

[MT15]

All teenagers should get the following guidance: try to not get arrested, try to not die, and try to not burn anything down. Their brains are clearly not at a functioning level.

 

[Bolo]

This Kellogs strike is pretty clown world, dunno if any of you have been following it. President Biden commented on it on twitter the other day. Workers working 16hr shifts, no days off, crappy pay, they went on strike in October. Kellogs recently fired 1400 employee's who are currently striking and have hired scabs, its not going very well. The good ol folks over at reddit wrote bots to spam fraudulent applications to Kellogs which crashed their application portal in support of worker solidarity. The whole thing is just one gigantic crapshow.

 

[MT15]

 

[V Chip]

This Kellogs strike is pretty clown world, dunno if any of you have been following it. President Biden commented on it on twitter the other day. Workers working 16hr shifts, no days off, crappy pay, they went on strike in October. Kellogs recently fired 1400 employee's who are currently striking and have hired scabs, its not going very well. The good ol folks over at reddit wrote bots to spam fraudulent applications to Kellogs which crashed their application portal in support of worker solidarity. The whole thing is just one gigantic crapshow.

I always wonder why other Unions or Union “shops” don’t support strikes more often. If the teamsters Union refused to ship Kelloggs products that would be a major blow. If Union groceries or stores refused to stock kelloggs that would as well.

 

[zztop]

I always wonder why other Unions or Union “shops” don’t support strikes more often. If the teamsters Union refused to ship Kelloggs products that would be a major blow. If Union groceries or stores refused to stock kelloggs that would as well.

unions are really hard to start. I read an article the other day about a dollar general that had like 6 employees, they tried to get a union started and it didn't go well. Eventually they got fired (for a different reason, but basically used as an excuse to get rid of them) and then corporate just decided to close the store completely. There are all kinds of anti-union measures in place to help companies put them out before they can even begin. But even if there is a vote to establish a union, it can take years before the company recognizes it.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I used to be a pro union guy. First union job i had was in 1990, then the next one i had was in 1994. When i left there in 2005, the union was so weak that they basically gave the company anything they wanted just so they could stay afloat. A weak union is worse than no union, imo.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Thief caught after trying to rob same bank two days in a row: cops​

If it worked once right??lol

‘Thief’ caught after trying to rob same bank two days in a row: cops

They say criminals always return to the scene of the crime – but a bumbling California bank robber didn’t even wait a day before he came back to the branch he allegedly knocked over.

nypost.com

 

[SamAndreas]

I always wonder why other Unions or Union “shops” don’t support strikes more often. If the teamsters Union refused to ship Kelloggs products that would be a major blow. If Union groceries or stores refused to stock kelloggs that would as well.

Food is perishable and as thus it is protected by the Federal government. Refusing to ship it could jeopardize it so it falls under the same law that prevented my union UA from refusing to cross picket lines at supermarkets to repair refrigeration systems during a strike.

We could and would refuse to cross their picket line to do routine maintenance on their systems, but if a trouble call came in for a system being down we were required to preform that essential service to protect that food from spoiling.

I didn't like crossing their picket lines, I used to sneak in and out of the back door when I had to.

 

[samiam5211]

Food is perishable and as thus it is protected by the Federal government. Refusing to ship it could jeopardize it so it falls under the same law that prevented my union UA from refusing to cross picket lines at supermarkets to repair refrigeration systems during a strike.

We could and would refuse to cross their picket line to do routine maintenance on their systems, but if a trouble call came in for a system being down we were required to preform that essential service to protect that food from spoiling.

I didn't like crossing their picket lines, I used to sneak in and out of the back door when I had to.

The fact that we consider Fruit Loops "food" shows we have bigger problems than the supply chain.

 

[Saintman2884]

The fact that we consider Fruit Loops "food" shows we have bigger problems than the supply chain.

Cereals are as much a legitimate food just as much as bananas, fruits, canned beans, Rib-eyes or other "mainstream" food stuffs. No reason why we have to be a bit elitist and contempous in how if affects our responses to these kinds of threads, even if their hyper-commercialized cereal brand. That's just how capitalism works and I'd rather have it then what El Presidente Hugo Chavez did to a once-prosperous economy, functional democracy, and how it turned into the Zimbabwe of South America along with his, "Socialism of the 21st century" demagoguery sophistry.

Same way Gap jeans are still clothes in the same way as secondhand hand-me-downs just a lot more expensive and inaccessible.