Durham investigation (Update: Sussman acquitted) (13 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

It looks like the first shoe has dropped with the Durham investigation with the Clinesmith plea deal. Clinesmith wasn't a low level FBI employee involved in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

He worked with Strzok to arrange sending an FBI agent into Trump-Flynn briefing, was on the Mueller team, he took part in the Papadopoulos interviews, and he participated in the FISA process.



From the NYT article:

Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Expected to Plead Guilty in Review of Russia Inquiry (Published 2020)

Prosecutors did not reveal any evidence of the kind of broad anti-Trump conspiracy among law enforcement officials that the president has long alleged.

www.nytimes.com

I wonder who else knew about the lies?

 

[bdb13]

Do you think Downer is lying about what Papadopoulos said? If it was the Russians who hacked the DNC, how does that relate to what Papadopoulos said?

I don't know and it's just awfully coincidental.

 

[SaintForLife]

I don't know and it's just awfully coincidental.

Whats coincidental?

 

[bdb13]

Whats coincidental?

That the Russians hacked into the DNC and disseminated the information entirely independent and outside the sphere of knowledge of the Trump campaign when we already know that someone within the campaign was aware, at the very least, of the Russians possessing "information" and that someone else was alarmed enough by this to have reported it.

 

[MT15]

Someone else associated with the campaign could have told him as well, didn't necessarily have to come directly from a Russian to Papadopoulos.

True. That doesn’t really bode well for SFL’s narrative though, does it?

 

[MT15]

That the Russians hacked into the DNC and disseminated the information entirely independent and outside the sphere of knowledge of the Trump campaign when we already know that someone within the campaign was aware, at the very least, of the Russians possessing "information" and that someone else was alarmed enough by this to have reported it.

Very well stated.

 

[SaintForLife]

True. That doesn’t really bode well for SFL’s narrative though, does it?

If you would have actually read the recent replies you would see that Misfud told Papadopoulos that Russia had information. The same Misfud that lied to the FBI multiple times, but the FBI didn't prosecute him. He seems to be some kind of intelligence official.

How does it feel to have fallen for the biggest political hoax of all time? Did you feel duped when you found our Hillary concocted the Trump Russia collusion?

 

[SaintForLife]

That the Russians hacked into the DNC and disseminated the information entirely independent and outside the sphere of knowledge of the Trump campaign when we already know that someone within the campaign was aware, at the very least, of the Russians possessing "information" and that someone else was alarmed enough by this to have reported it.

It probably sounds like that because you have been misled by the media & Democrats this whole time. Have you heard anyone recently from where you got your Russiagate news from reference that Hillary concocted the whole Trump Russia collusion story?

 

[MT15]

If you would have actually read the recent re0lies you would see that Misfud told Papadopoulos that Russia had information. The same Misfud that lied to the FBI multiple times, but the FBI didn't prosecute him. He seems to be some kind of intelligence official.

How does it feel to have fallen for the biggest political hoax of all time? Did you feel duped when you found our Hillary concocted the Trump Russia collusion?

No, because I have a view of the Trump Russia relationship that is grounded in facts. Your views are not, they depend on wishcasting and parsing sentences for minute inferences. You should feel duped.

 

[SaintForLife]

No, because I have a view of the Trump Russia relationship that is grounded in facts. Your views are not, they depend on wishcasting and parsing sentences for minute inferences. You should feel duped.

Tell me what's grounded in facts? List any of the Russia accusations that haven't been discredited by now. Didn't you say that some of the Steele Dossier is still true?

You won't even acknowledge that Hillary concocted the entire Trump Russia collusion narrative.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Adam Schiff was censured by the House for his frequent repetition that he had seen "more than circumstantial evidence" of Trump colluding with Russia, that apparently never existed. His position as chair on the House Intelligence Committee made his claim of having seen evidence that no one else was allowed to see credible among Democrats.

"Mr. Schiff exploited his position as chair of Intel Committee, and every opportunity possible, threatening national security, undermining our duly elected president and bringing dishonor upon the institution," said Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., Wednesday afternoon ahead of the vote.

 

[MT15]

Tell me what's grounded in facts? List any of the Russia accusations that haven't been discredited by now. Didn't you say that some of the Steele Dossier is still true?

You won't even acknowledge that Hillary concocted the entire Trump Russia collusion narrative.

Just off the top of my head:

Instead of reporting contact from a foreign government to the FBI, as required, the Trump campaign booked a meeting with a Russian government representative (they thought) promising dirt on Clinton. They were quite excited about this contact. It was well attended and they were disappointed the representative didn’t come forward with anything they could use. Whenever this has happened in the past, campaigns have reported this type of contact.

Roger Stone was in communication with either WikiLeaks or a representative of them to coordinate the release of hacked communications from the DNC. They specifically coordinated this to offset the famous “grab them by the P-word” tape. WikiLeaks is a known cutout for the Russian government.

Trump’s campaign openly welcomed the use of hacked material (hacked by Russia). They celebrated it - remember Don Jr’s email - “I love it, especially later in the fall”?

Russia hacked both the DNC and the RNC. But they chose to release only the DNC emails. Wonder why? Because Russia was trying pretty hard to get Trump elected.

Manafort volunteered to work on Trump’s campaign. He didn’t take a salary. He also flew around to meet with Russian oligarchs and give them private campaign polling data. Unprecedented contact with a hostile foreign government by a US Presidential campaign.

if you want to see in chart form - this is a good article:

All of Trump’s Ties to Russia, in 7 Charts

A visual guide to the many links between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

www.politico.com

 

[bdb13]

It probably sounds like that because you have been misled by the media & Democrats this whole time. Have you heard anyone recently from where you got your Russiagate news from reference that Hillary concocted the whole Trump Russia collusion story?

What are the flaws in what I said?

And no.

 

[SaintForLife]

Adam Schiff was censured by the House for his frequent repetition that he had seen "more than circumstantial evidence" of Trump colluding with Russia, that apparently never existed. His position as chair on the House Intelligence Committee made his claim of having seen evidence that no one else was allowed to see credible among Democrats.

"Mr. Schiff exploited his position as chair of Intel Committee, and every opportunity possible, threatening national security, undermining our duly elected president and bringing dishonor upon the institution," said Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., Wednesday afternoon ahead of the vote.

MT15 thinks it's funny that Schiff repeatedly lied saying there was more classified evidence that clearly showed Trump colluded with Russia. Turns out he was lying his arse off the entire time. I remember she constantly said he was a credible and knowledgeable person on the subject.

Both Mueller and Durham said there was no evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign contacted or was involved in a conspiracy with any Russian government officials to affect the election.

 

[Snarky Sack]

MT15 thinks it's funny that Schiff repeatedly lied saying there was more classified evidence that clearly showed Trump colluded with Russia. Turns out he was lying his arse off the entire time. I remember she constantly said he was a credible and knowledgeable person on the subject.

Both Mueller and Durham said there was no evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign contacted or was involved in a conspiracy with any Russian government officials to affect the election.

Here's my theory about progressives acceptance of constant lying from their leaders: They think that they are in on it, that their leaders trust them to keep promoting the lies. Thus their leaders are not lying to progressives, they are gaslighting everyone else and progressives are helping them.

 

[FullMonte]

Both Mueller and Durham said there was no evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign contacted or was involved in a conspiracy with any Russian government officials to affect the election.

Huh?

The Mueller report documented multiple times that members of Trump's campaign had contacts with Russians.

The report said that Russia wanted to help Trump, and that Trump's campaign welcomed that help...but that they were unable to prove conclusively that an agreement to work together was reached, in part because witnesses lied to investigators and destroyed evidence.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Foreign governments and persons often contact presidential campaigns hoping to gain a foothold on a potential future administration. No doubt Hillary Clinton became sharply aware of this during Bill's campaigns and it inspired her to try to make something scandalous out of what she knew would happen to the Trump campaign.

I doubt seriously that Bill Clinton turned down any help getting elected from anyone ever. The Clinton foundation was heavily funded by foreigners, including Carlos Slim.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Foreign governments and persons often contact presidential campaigns hoping to gain a foothold on a potential future administration. No doubt Hillary Clinton became sharply aware of this during Bill's campaigns and it inspired her to try to make something scandalous out of what she knew would happen to the Trump campaign.

I doubt seriously that Bill Clinton turned down any help getting elected from anyone ever. The Clinton foundation was heavily funded by foreigners, including Carlos Slim.

Let's not pretend that something unusual wasn't going on with Trump and his feelings toward Putin/Russia because it most certainly was and most likely still is.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Let's not pretend that something unusual wasn't going on with Trump and his feelings toward Putin/Russia because it most certainly was and most likely still is.

I'm not pretending anything.

Let's not pretend that Hillary Clinton did not initiate a phony claim of Trump-Russia collusion that took the country down a bad road that we are still sharply divided over.

If ever there was an incredibly selfish witch in a high position in this country, it was she.