Durham investigation (Update: Sussman acquitted) (1 Viewer)

[SaintForLife]

It looks like the first shoe has dropped with the Durham investigation with the Clinesmith plea deal. Clinesmith wasn't a low level FBI employee involved in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

He worked with Strzok to arrange sending an FBI agent into Trump-Flynn briefing, was on the Mueller team, he took part in the Papadopoulos interviews, and he participated in the FISA process.



From the NYT article:

Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Expected to Plead Guilty in Review of Russia Inquiry (Published 2020)

Prosecutors did not reveal any evidence of the kind of broad anti-Trump conspiracy among law enforcement officials that the president has long alleged.

www.nytimes.com

I wonder who else knew about the lies?

 

[el caliente]

Was yours the only woman you know? Go on.

I know it doesn’t pack the pizazz that todays “intellectual types” seek, but yeah, I know that the woman that birthed you, and the woman that birthed me, and the women that birthed everyone on this board are women, unless their mom’s weren’t women.

 

[MT15]

I know it doesn’t pack the pizazz that todays “intellectual types” seek, but yeah, I know that the woman that birthed you, and the woman that birthed me, and the women that birthed everyone on this board are women, unless their mom’s weren’t women.

Okay, we’re getting somewhere. Surely, though, you aren’t required to give birth to be a woman?

 

[MT15]

Surely if you have a Dong you can’t give birth? That would be a hell of a way to give birth.

Women have to give birth to be women? Not in my book. I know plenty of women who have not or can not give birth.

I don’t know about these things as much as UTJ does, but he has said there are girls born with penises in certain situations. Not the norm, but who are we to deny them their gender?

A food dish made up of chicken that has been fried? I don’t see the relevance

So why don’t you try to answer the question.. what is a woman?

Because we have had women with a Y chromosome, or the SRY gene, or with high testosterone. We’ve had intersex women born with a penis. Without a uterus… and so on.

 

[el caliente]

Women have to give birth to be women? Not in my book. I know plenty of women who have not or can not give birth.

I don’t know about these things as much as UTJ does, but he has said there are girls born with penises in certain situations. Not the norm, but who are we to deny them their gender?

No, women don’t have to give birth to be women. I know plenty of women who are saddened that they will never be able to give birth. They have filled that void by adopting children, or taking in foster children, or being kick arse aunts.

My definition of a woman is pretty basic, maybe they can have babies (maybe they can’t). They have ovaries, fallopian tubes, a uterus, vagina, valve. They menstruate. They don’t have a penis.

Is that how you medical professionals describe a woman? If not, fill me in. Honestly, what is a woman?

 

[MT15]

No, women don’t have to give birth to be women. I know plenty of women who are saddened that they will never be able to give birth. They have filled that void by adopting children, or taking in foster children, or being kick arse aunts.

My definition of a woman is pretty basic, maybe they can have babies (maybe they can’t). They have ovaries, fallopian tubes, a uterus, vagina, valve. They menstruate. They don’t have a penis.

Is that how you medical professionals describe a woman? If not, fill me in. Honestly, what is a woman?

You left out a lot of women there. You left me out.

edit: valve?

 

[MT15]

Honestly, el, I think you don’t realize how hurtful it is for people to do like you are doing. Reducing a person‘s gender to nothing except biological parts.

 

[el caliente]

You left out a lot of women there. You left me out.

edit: valve?

Valve, vulva, Volvo, vuvuzela, Venezuela.

Then what is a woman to you?

 

[el caliente]

Honestly, el, I think you don’t realize how hurtful it is for people to do like you are doing. Reducing a person‘s gender to nothing except biological parts.

I don’t think you understand how confusing it it for people to be expected to know what passes for a woman these days.

You can say that one side is trying to strip “womens rights”, but without understanding what the other side considers a woman, all they are doing is devaluing woman.

 

[MT15]

I don’t think you understand how confusing it it for people to be expected to know what passes for a woman these days.

You can say that one side is trying to strip “womens rights”, but without understanding what the other side considers a woman, all they are doing is devaluing woman.

Well, they’re not trying. They did it.

Maybe, if you are confused, it’s a good time to try to learn what people are saying rather than playing semantic games with other people’s lives and identities.

With all due respect, you don’t have the right to demand from other people what you are unable to articulate yourself.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Is that your definition of a woman?

Damn, dude, you can't answer a simple question? I've been following along and you've offered nothing remotely close to a definition until that comment, so I asked to clarify. If you can't answer, why the hell are you still talking?

 

[el caliente]

Well, they’re not trying. They did it.

Maybe, if you are confused, it’s a good time to try to learn what people are saying rather than playing semantic games with other people’s lives and identities.

With all due respect, you don’t have the right to demand from other people what you are unable to articulate yourself.

So tell me, what a woman is? Don’t get offended by what I am saying, I’m offended that after I have given you my description of a woman you can’t return me the favor.

So much for understanding each other.

 

[el caliente]

Damn, dude, you can't answer a simple question? I've been following along and you've offered nothing remotely close to a definition until that comment, so I asked to clarify. If you can't answer, why the hell are you still talking?

Cuddle, what is a woman?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Cuddle, what is a woman?

The first thing I did in this conversation was ask you to clarify something you said. You refused. Why the fork should anyone answer you when you just ignore them when they try?

 

[el caliente]

The first thing I did in this conversation was ask you to clarify something you said. You refused. Why the fork should anyone answer you when you just ignore them when they try?

I actually did clarify what I believe a woman to be (a few posts above). I don’t see where you have shared any thoughts on what you thought a woman was, so maybe you can enlighten us as to what you think a woman is.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The thing I don't understand is why anyone cares about who is "passing as a woman" and who is "a real woman."

None of us have to answer to anyone about who we are and none of us have to answer to anyone about what we do, unless we do something illegal, and even then it's irrelevant what biological parts we have when we committed the illegal act.

It's not like we would ever tell a rapist, "oh, well now that I see you've got that particular biology, I'm going to let you go with just a warning, have a nice day."​

And on the women's rights issue, the details are in the context and shouldn't be confusing to anyone.

If talking about women's right to abortion, duhhhhhh, that'd be biological females their talking about, laddy. Use some of that noggin that god gave you.

If talking about women's rights in regards to discrimination and equal pay, that would be anyone who seems to be a woman which includes biological females, transgender women and anyone else who on appearance is perceived to be a woman by anyone else.

It's not like managers are saying to interviewees and new hires, "mmm, okayyyyyy, before we get started here, I'm going to need to know what you got going on down there, so that I know whether or not to discriminate against you, harass you, and pay you less as a woman, mmmmkayyyy."​

 

[DaveXA]

What the hell does all this "what is a woman" talk have to do with the Durham investigation? I keep forgetting this isn't a different thread.

 

[bdb13]

The biggest difference between the parties right now is that the Democrats have a far left wing of their party whereas the Republican party squarely resides within their far right extremism.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

What the hell does all this "what is a woman" talk have to do with the Durham investigation? I keep forgetting this isn't a different thread.

It is sort of getting mixed up, but this was used as an example of how "both sides" are equally extreme.