Durham investigation (Update: Sussman acquitted) (9 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

It looks like the first shoe has dropped with the Durham investigation with the Clinesmith plea deal. Clinesmith wasn't a low level FBI employee involved in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

He worked with Strzok to arrange sending an FBI agent into Trump-Flynn briefing, was on the Mueller team, he took part in the Papadopoulos interviews, and he participated in the FISA process.



From the NYT article:

Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Expected to Plead Guilty in Review of Russia Inquiry (Published 2020)

Prosecutors did not reveal any evidence of the kind of broad anti-Trump conspiracy among law enforcement officials that the president has long alleged.

www.nytimes.com

I wonder who else knew about the lies?

 

[MT15]

Let’s level set here, what is a woman?

Shut up el. Nobody is trying to control women except one side. You are supposed to lean libertarian yet you defend these wannabe dictators?

 

[el caliente]

Shut up el. Nobody is trying to control women except one side. You are supposed to lean libertarian yet you defend these wannabe dictators?

What is a woman?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

What is a woman?

What does that have to do with anything MT asked? I'll answer for you: not a damn thing. Frigging pathetic.

 

[MT15]

What is a woman?

Just running away from the fact that you are defending people who want to dictate how everyone loves their lives.

I will tell you something else. People who ask that question as some sort of attempted “gotcha” are being total butt crevasses. What you are doing is taking advantage of the fact that some people feel empathy for people who have gender struggles. You are mocking people for trying to be decent, and respecting people for who they are.

So, yeah, you really showed me. Pathetic.

 

[el caliente]

What does that have to do with anything MT asked? I'll answer for you: not a damn thing. Frigging pathetic.

Am I not allowed to ask questions? Maybe you can help me.

What is a woman?

Just running away from the fact that you are defending people who want to dictate how everyone loves their lives.

I will tell you something else. People who ask that question as some sort of attempted “gotcha” are being total butt crevasses. What you are doing is taking advantage of the fact that some people feel empathy for people who have gender struggles. You are mocking people for trying to be decent, and respecting people for who they are.

So, yeah, you really showed me. Pathetic.

I didn’t mean to show you anything, I just want to know, what’s a woman?

 

[MT15]

Am I not allowed to ask questions? Maybe you can help me.

What is a woman?

I didn’t mean to show you anything, I just want to know, what’s a woman?

No you don’t.

 

[el caliente]

No you don’t.

aren’t you a medical professional? If you can’t give me a definition of what a woman is that would be concerning.

 

[MT15]

aren’t you a medical professional? If you can’t give me a definition of what a woman is that would be concerning.

You don’t need a definition, if you did that would be concerning because I’m under the impression that you are an adult.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I moved my post about the definitions of woman to here https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/all-things-lgbtq.142737/post-393325 because that is where this discussion should be taking place.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Am I not allowed to ask questions? Maybe you can help me.

What is a woman?

Sure, you are allowed, just as others are allowed to point out that your question has zero bearing on the conversation and your inability to engage honestly is on full display.

 

[MT15]

It’s worse than an inability to engage honestly, IMO. It’s a willingness to follow the herd and belittle people who are struggling. A willingness to punish people for being different, to make fun of everyone they don’t understand and don’t like. It’s essentially juvenile, in the worst form of that word.

 

[SFIDC3]

just spent the last 3 days back home in New Orleans. I can’t take your comment seriously.

I'm trying to remember where I said sane = perfect or good.....wait I didn't.....so I guess that prompted you to cherrypick.....yay!!!!!!

I was also speaking of the D's and R's at a national level, both have good, bad and somewhere in the middle local governance, though states like Texas and Florida kind of tip the scales a bit...

I'm beginning to think you are a troll......

 

[el caliente]

I'm trying to remember where I said sane = perfect or good.....wait I didn't.....so I guess that prompted you to cherrypick.....yay!!!!!!

I was also speaking of the D's and R's at a national level, both have good, bad and somewhere in the middle local governance, though states like Texas and Florida kind of tip the scales a bit...

I'm beginning to think you are a troll......

I think republicans and democrats govern at more than a national level (do they not). When you expand the lense you see there are some real bat shirt crazy people governing on both sides.

Maybe I am a troll, I’m certainly not a team politics guy.

 

[el caliente]

You don’t need a definition, if you did that would be concerning because I’m under the impression that you are an adult.

Wait, aren’t you a medical professional? So then I guess I can’t expect an answer as to what a woman is from a medical professional?

You say that only one side is trying to control women’s bodies, but I am asking you what a woman is because only one side is trying to change the description of what a woman is.

 

[SFIDC3]

Maybe I am a troll, I’m certainly not a team politics guy.

Maybe you missed the whole Jan 6th thingy, where a good portion of the R's condemned then wait....praised the actions of insurrectionists, to the extent where some visited them in prison and fully support pardoning them if their wannabe tin pot white so-called christian nationalist dictator is elected (be it Trump, DeSantis, etc).....

The side that has filled the SC with dishonorable right wing religious nut job zealots putting untold numbers of women at risk, because, god really thinks that politicians should dictate what a woman can and can't do with their own body.....

But, yeah, both sides.....

 

[Snarky Sack]

Maybe you missed the whole Jan 6th thingy, where a good portion of the R's condemned then wait....praised the actions of insurrectionists, to the extent where some visited them in prison and fully support pardoning them if their wannabe tin pot white so-called christian nationalist dictator is elected (be it Trump, DeSantis, etc).....

Visiting them in jail, and supporting pardoning them is not the same as praising their actions on Jan 6.

Like many people, I was horrified at the actions of the rioters who entered the Capitol and committed violent acts. Like many people I was and am horrified at the lopsided treatment they have since been given by the DOJ since then.

 

[DaveXA]

Visiting them in jail, and supporting pardoning them is not the same as praising their actions on Jan 6.

Like many people, I was horrified at the actions of the rioters who entered the Capitol and committed violent acts. Like many people I was and am horrified at the lopsided treatment they have since been given by the DOJ since then.

What lopsided treatment are you talking about? You think they should get off scot free?

And supporting pardoning them is essentially saying there shouldn't be any consequences, ergo their behavior was acceptable.

 

[Snarky Sack]

What lopsided treatment are you talking about?

It is lopsided in comparison to how other violent offenders have been treated in the last four four years, in particular the ANTIFA and BLM rioters, and the murderers who have been let out on no cash bail. It is disparate treatment when you see prosecutors like Alvin Bragg declining to prosecute crimes like trespassing and obstructing government administration.

You think they should get off scot free?

No, I don't think that they should get off scot free. They deserve consequences and should have gotten them. I think they should not have been denied bail and I think the sentences for many have been excessive.

And supporting pardoning them is essentially saying there shouldn't be any consequences,

They've been in jail awaiting trial, so that has been a pretty severe consequence. For anyone there more than three months before trial, not guilty of assaulting or injuring any person, time served would have been more than enough consequences.

ergo their behavior was acceptable.

Not at all. A pardon just means that you did the crime, but there are circumstances warranting a pardon.

What about commuting their sentences to time served? Commuting their sentences to time served might be more appropriate than pardons, but many others who are guilty of worse crimes have been pardoned in order to get a fresh start.