Does Trump ever do any jail time? (1 Viewer)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[coldseat]

This weekend, Florida governor Ron DeSantis delighted the crowd at a conference for the far-right group Turning Point Action by proclaiming that the FBI’s warrant to seize national-security documents stolen by Donald Trump was yet another double standard against law-abiding conservatives.

“You look at the raid at Mar-a-Lago, and I’m just trying to remember — maybe somebody here can remind me — about when they did a search warrant at Hillary’s house when she had a rogue server at Chappaqua and she was laundering classified information,” he announced. “I don’t remember them doing that.”

The Republican rationale for defending Trump despite clear-cut violations of the law is that the FBI has supposedly forfeited all credibility. Trump supporters “are mad because the Mar-a-Lago raid fits into a pattern of behavior targeting Trump and his associates by the FBI, the Justice Department, and the intelligence community,” argues Byron York.

“When it comes to the FBI’s latest move, he garners near-universal assent — and for good reason,” writes National Review editor-in-chief Rich Lowry of Trump. “It is impossible to over-estimate the effect of the Russia investigation on the Republican psyche.” Margot Cleveland argues that it’s because of the bureau’s “widespread misconduct that Americans doubt the legitimacy of the FBI’s decision to search the former president’s home.”

Obviously, the weirdest thing about this trust heuristic is that it assumes the more credible party to this dispute is serial lawbreaker and pathological liar Donald Trump rather than the lifelong Republican he appointed to lead the agency. But the deeper and more twisted belief system being expressed by Trump’s allies is the premise that the FBI has engaged in a pattern of political bias against their party since the Clinton saga.

The truth is just the opposite: The FBI has often bent over backward to placate Republicans only to be met with distrust when its results fail to conform to their most paranoid fantasies.

Begin with DeSantis’s claim that the FBI never seized Hillary Clinton’s server: In fact, the FBI took it in August 2015. “The seizure of the server, along with electronic copies of its contents maintained by her private lawyer, is in connection with a criminal investigation into the mishandling of classified information,” gloated a National Review editorial at the time. “It is being dressed up by a reeling Clinton campaign as Hillary’s ‘voluntary’ surrender of the server in connection with a ‘security inquiry.’”..............

MSN

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Until right wing media is destroyed, we're never going to find our way our of this deluge of propaganda and misinformation. The right wing media biosphere is the enemy of democracy and the road to authoritarianism.

The underlying cause of this pathological dynamic is a right-wing propaganda bubble that pumps conservatives full of rage, cordens them off from any information that would mitigate their sense of persecution, and primes them to be led by demagogues who feel free to act with impunity, knowing their base will stay loyal regardless. This dysfunction produced Trump’s rise in the first place. And now every new instance of Trump’s misconduct simply confirms to the Republican Party that he was right all along.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Until right wing media is destroyed, we're never going to find our way our of this deluge of propaganda and misinformation. The right wing media biosphere is the enemy of democracy and the road to authoritarianism.

and any attempt to dial it back is met with cries of "First Amendment!!!"

 

[brandon]

Trump supporters “are mad because the Mar-a-Lago raid fits into a pattern of behavior targeting Trump and his associates by the FBI, the Justice Department, and the intelligence community,”

It fits a pattern of the FBI investigating people suspected of federal crimes.

You know, because they’re the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION and all.

 

[wardorican]

It fits a pattern of the FBI investigating people suspected of federal crimes.

You know, because they’re the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION and all.

It's almost like they have a congressional mission and authority to do this kind of stuff....

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

I remember when this happened but there was so much going on, I didn’t pay a lot of attention to it:

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I wonder if either one squealed. If the FBI told them it was a criminal investigation, they couldn't invoke privilege right?

White House lawyers interviewed by FBI | CNN Politics

The FBI interviewed former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone and his former deputy Patrick Philbin earlier this year as part of the investigation into federal records taken to Donald Trump’s Palm Beach home, two people briefed on the matter said.

www.cnn.com

 

[SaintForLife]

(what a totally random time for him to be bringing this up)

Sen. Rand Paul called for the repeal of the Espionage Act after it was revealed that the Justice Department is investigating if former President Donald Trump potentially violated the Act.

"The Espionage Act was abused from the beginning to jail dissenters of WWI," tweeted Paul. "It is long past time to repeal this egregious affront to the 1st Amendment."

A key facet of the act — Section 793 — is concerned with "gathering, transmitting or losing defense information," which relates to any document relating to national defense that "through gross negligence" was "illegally removed from its proper place of custody ... to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed."

 

[efil4]

None of this changes anything with regards to what Trump had in his possession AFTER his attorneys notified the NA they had turned over EVERYTHING.

Maybe write a letter to your congressperson to repeal. Maybe they can drum up enough votes? (Isn't that how it works?)

 

[SaintForLife]

None of this changes anything with regards to what Trump had in his possession AFTER his attorneys notified the NA they had turned over EVERYTHING.

Maybe write a letter to your congressperson to repeal. Maybe they can drum up enough votes? (Isn't that how it works?)

What exactly did Trump have? I got confused by how many times the media claimed it was something. Why won't Garland release the affidavit for the warrant? Are they hoping to hide their true intent?

 

[efil4]

What exactly did Trump have? I got confused by how many times the media claimed it was something. Why won't Garland release the affidavit for the warrant? Are they hoping to hide their true intent?

Have you not seen the doc list?

Or are you asking to see TS/ SIC and TS documents?

I mean, if Trump declassified (as he claims) why hasn't he provided us with what he had? If innocent and truly declassified, should be easy fix, no?

If your notion is that this was all planted and a political move, I can't help you.

 

[SaintForLife]

Have you not seen the doc list?

Or are you asking to see TS/ SIC and TS documents?

If your notion is that this was all planted and a political move, I can't help you.

I don't think anything was planted, but it was definitely a political move. Hillary was investigated for the exact same thing, but they must have forgotten to raid her home. Probably just an oversight right?

I'm talking about the affidavit for the warrant.

 

[efil4]

I don't think anything was planted, but it was definitely a political move. Hillary was investigated for the exact same thing, but they must have forgotten to raid her home. Probably just an oversight right?

I'm talking about the affidavit for the warrant.

I'm not talking about Hillary. Stay on point. That was 6 years ago and beat to death.

We have an ex president holding TS AND TS/SIC documents in his residence. The actual documents. With way too many unscrupulous moves (historically) to take him at his word that it's no big deal. His word means zip.


If you find it necessary to equate the two situations, then you don't care about national security at the highest level.

 

[Booker]

Didn't Hillary turn over her server when it was asked for?

 

[MT15]

I don't think anything was planted, but it was definitely a political move. Hillary was investigated for the exact same thing, but they must have forgotten to raid her home. Probably just an oversight right?

I'm talking about the affidavit for the warrant.

No she wasn’t. You’re impossible. Clinton never stole classified top secret documents from the WH, squirreled them away in a sad hotel where she lived and then lied about having them while ignoring a subpoena asking her to return them.

You will say anything to protect this draft/dodging, lying, immoral Peice of work of a human. Why do you think that is?

 

[MT15]

I don't think anything was planted, but it was definitely a political move. Hillary was investigated for the exact same thing, but they must have forgotten to raid her home. Probably just an oversight right?

I'm talking about the affidavit for the warrant.

The affidavit won’t be released until the indictment. If there’s no indictment it probably will never be released. You realize Trump and his mob minions just want to know who informed on him, don’t you? God, you’re so easy.

 

[SaintForLife]

I'm not talking about Hillary. Stay on point. That was 6 years ago and beat to death.

We have an ex president holding TS AND TS/SIC documents in his residence. The actual documents. With way too many unscrupulous moves (historically) to take him at his word that it's no big deal. His word means zip.


If you find it necessary to equate the two situations, then you don't care about national security at the highest level.

Both were/are being investigated for the exact same thing, but we can't compare them?

 

[MT15]

Both were/are being investigated for the exact same thing, but we can't compare them?

No because that’s a lie.