Does Trump ever do any jail time? (4 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I want him, his wife and his kids convicted of any crimes they committed and sent to jail. He can go away in jail.

That'd be nice but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Future me: I didn't think it was possible to say "I don't recall" or "I plead the fifth" so many times
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NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Donald Trump must answer questions under oath in New York state’s civil investigation into his business practices, a state appeals court ruled Thursday.

A four-judge panel in the appellate division of the state’s trial court upheld Manhattan Judge Arthur Engoron’s Feb. 17 ruling enforcing subpoenas for Trump and his two eldest children to give deposition testimony in Attorney General Letitia James' probe.

Trump had appealed, seeking to overturn the ruling. His lawyers argued that ordering the Trumps to testify violated their constitutional rights because their answers could be used in a parallel criminal investigation.

“The existence of a criminal investigation does not preclude civil discovery of related facts, at which a party may exercise the privilege against self-incrimination,” the four-judge panel wrote, citing the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination...........

Trump loses appeal, must testify in New York civil probe

 

[CrowFlies]

if he has to 'appear' anywhere he will be wearing a diaper.

 

[MT15]

I think he always wears one.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Georgia DA investigating Trump has subpoenaed officials from secretary of state's office

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/politics/georgia-da-fani-willis-trump-subpoena-officials/index.html

 

[CrowFlies]

he wont ever go to jail but he'll borrow big money to build one and leave it unfinished
empty and foreclosed by some russian bankster.

 

[Optimus Prime]

May was a bad month for former president Donald Trump. And there are darkening clouds on his horizon. On June 9, the Jan. 6 House Select Committee will hold public hearings as part of their ongoing investigation into the storming of the Capitol last year.

In short order, the set of six scheduled televised sessions this month are likely to build momentum towards making the case that the president was directly involved in attempts to undermine the peaceful transition of power.

And as the steady dropping of shocking findings from the committee over the course of the past months suggests, the sessions will likely have many viewers on the edge of their seats.

June’s hearings follow a series of escalations in Trump’s ongoing legal battles stemming from his attempts to undermine the 2020 election. May’s legal developments and the looming hearings suggest increasing pressures and prospects that Trump will face criminal charges.

Why was May so bad for Trump? It’s not just a matter of investigators closing in. Georgia’s primary on May 24 delivered a blow to Trump. Three men the former president loves to hate — Gov. Brian Kemp, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Attorney General Chris Carr — all defeated Trump’s candidates in the Republican primary.

Trump is already trying to cast doubt on their election results, raising questions about Kemp’s 50 point win over David Perdue. Georgia voters, however, signaled they are ready to move on from the Big Lie.

Meanwhile, two parallel criminal investigations are heating up – one from the Justice Department and another from District Attorney Fani Willis in Atlanta.

Willis is independently investigating Trump’s phone call with Raffensperger in which he shamelessly asked Raffensperger “to find 11,780 votes,” one more than needed to reverse Joe Biden’s Georgia victory.

She is also looking into Trump’s pre-Jan. 6 conduct for violation of the state’s criminal prohibition on soliciting election fraud.

Last week, we learned that she has subpoenaed 50 witnesses, including Raffensperger, who testified on June 2 for five hours before a grand jury. She has also subpoenaed Trump foe, Georgia Attorney General Carr, for June 21............

For the past month, the committee has been releasing these alarming findings from their 10-month-long investigation in tantalizing bits. Thursday’s hearings will be the start of telling a cohesive narrative.

And it sounds like the committee has quite the story to tell. During an interview on Anderson Cooper 360 on June 1, Denver Riggleman, the former Virginia Republican Congressman with years of National Security Agency experience who is assisting the committee’s data gathering, called the evidence “absolutely stunning.“ He also said that some of it reads like “a fantasy novel.”..........

MSN

 

[CrowFlies]

Optimus...THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR BREAKDOWN ANALYSIS.
for putting the upcoming into perspective.

i recall..back then...watching the Watergate replays on PBS every nite they were on.
they had some channel...maybe early cspan, prolly not, maybe.
yeh they replayed in full. we were students who worked part time too,
we had to watch them at nite.

so with that in mind...since that was early life and the criminal behavior of our
gov officials its now later in life and its a...same story diff show.
...diff story same show?....

the rich and the pols have been designing this gov to be their gov, it provides easily
for them, the rest of yall get in line.

 

[Bear513]

May was a bad month for former president Donald Trump. And there are darkening clouds on his horizon. On June 9, the Jan. 6 House Select Committee will hold public hearings as part of their ongoing investigation into the storming of the Capitol last year.

In short order, the set of six scheduled televised sessions this month are likely to build momentum towards making the case that the president was directly involved in attempts to undermine the peaceful transition of power.

And as the steady dropping of shocking findings from the committee over the course of the past months suggests, the sessions will likely have many viewers on the edge of their seats.

June’s hearings follow a series of escalations in Trump’s ongoing legal battles stemming from his attempts to undermine the 2020 election. May’s legal developments and the looming hearings suggest increasing pressures and prospects that Trump will face criminal charges.

Why was May so bad for Trump? It’s not just a matter of investigators closing in. Georgia’s primary on May 24 delivered a blow to Trump. Three men the former president loves to hate — Gov. Brian Kemp, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Attorney General Chris Carr — all defeated Trump’s candidates in the Republican primary.

Trump is already trying to cast doubt on their election results, raising questions about Kemp’s 50 point win over David Perdue. Georgia voters, however, signaled they are ready to move on from the Big Lie.

Meanwhile, two parallel criminal investigations are heating up – one from the Justice Department and another from District Attorney Fani Willis in Atlanta.

Willis is independently investigating Trump’s phone call with Raffensperger in which he shamelessly asked Raffensperger “to find 11,780 votes,” one more than needed to reverse Joe Biden’s Georgia victory.

She is also looking into Trump’s pre-Jan. 6 conduct for violation of the state’s criminal prohibition on soliciting election fraud.

Last week, we learned that she has subpoenaed 50 witnesses, including Raffensperger, who testified on June 2 for five hours before a grand jury. She has also subpoenaed Trump foe, Georgia Attorney General Carr, for June 21............

For the past month, the committee has been releasing these alarming findings from their 10-month-long investigation in tantalizing bits. Thursday’s hearings will be the start of telling a cohesive narrative.

And it sounds like the committee has quite the story to tell. During an interview on Anderson Cooper 360 on June 1, Denver Riggleman, the former Virginia Republican Congressman with years of National Security Agency experience who is assisting the committee’s data gathering, called the evidence “absolutely stunning.“ He also said that some of it reads like “a fantasy novel.”..........

MSN

Just a nothing burger liberal echo chamber of no substance, Now Joe sending his brown shirt thugs to confiscate a diary .....

 

[MT15]

 

[dtc]

Just a nothing burger liberal echo chamber of no substance, Now Joe sending his brown shirt thugs to confiscate a diary .....

How do people who say things like this out loud and in public sleep at night knowing what they're doing?

 

[Saintamaniac]

How do people who say things like this out loud and in public sleep at night knowing what they're doing?

Dude, they believe what they are saying. They tend to not be the brightest bulbs in the pack.

 

[Taurus]

Hear that, Merrick?!? Do you hear it!?!

 

[Optimus Prime]

Why spoil this first? It should be an unexpected bombshell during the hearing

 

[SamAndreas]

Just a nothing burger liberal echo chamber of no substance, Now Joe sending his brown shirt thugs to confiscate a diary .....

"Just a nothing burger liberal echo chamber of no substance."

"Now Joe sending his brown shirt thugs to confiscate a diary ....."



I would say we're quickly approaching a time of indictment. Trump's royal indictment.

Won't he howl bloody murder???

 

[Optimus Prime]

Looks like the hearings are having an effect after all
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Many Republicans and mainstream media commentators have intoned that the House Jan. 6 committee’s hearings wouldn’t draw ratings or change voters’ minds.

That was wrong.

In fact, the evidence presented thus far has been far more impactful than the punditocracy predicted.

The first hearing, shown in prime time, generated close to 20 million viewers. The next, during midmorning, attracted 11 million. But even that misses the true impact.

The hearings have dominated front pages and figured prominently in network and cable TV news coverage. People are discussing them widely on social media.

The question is no longer about Donald Trump’s role in the attempted coup (there is no doubt his fingerprints are all over it); instead, the country is avidly debating whether there is sufficient evidence of Trump’s corrupt intent to prosecute him for it.

One poll from Democratic firm Navigator Research found that “the House investigation is garnering attention from the public, with 63 percent of respondents saying they have heard ‘a lot’ or ‘some’ about the hearings." Even more telling: “

An increasing number of Americans believe that it is important to uncover the truth behind the attempted coup; respondents said that the hearings were important by a 15-point margin, up five points from April.”

That increase is largely driven by independents, 45 percent of whom now say the investigation is important, compared with 26 percent who say the opposite.

Other polls confirm these findings. A new ABC News-Ipsos poll released on Sunday found that 58 percent of Americans think Trump should be charged criminally, up about six points from a similar poll in April…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/06/20/he-man-politics/?itid=hp-more-top-stories

 

[Optimus Prime]

Hear that, Merrick?!? Do you hear it!?!

It will set a disturbing precedent if Attorney General Merrick Garland prosecutes former president Donald Trump for alleged crimes.

But I believe it will set a worse precedent if Garland doesn’t.


There are obvious risks in a political system where criminal charges and jail sentences can be used to achieve political ends.


All we need to do is look to South America, where former presidents Carlos Menem of Argentina, Alberto Fujimori of Peru and Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of Brazil all were sentenced to prison terms for various crimes including, in Fujimori’s case, the creation of a murderous right-wing death squad.

In each case, die-hard supporters believed their hero had been railroaded for political purposes. Those prosecutions may have served justice.

But their sentences did nothing, at least in the short term, for unity or stability.

And the prosecutions created an incentive for revenge. If Lula defeats President Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil’s October election, will the Trump-like Bolsonaro be put in the dock?

Closer to home, would the next Republican administration invent some reason to bring charges against President Biden or his son Hunter?


We should not rush to become that kind of country.

But it might be even more dangerous to live in the sort of nation where a president can violate the law with absolute impunity. Once, we might have worried about a leader who would risk shooting a man on Fifth Avenue.

Now, we risk being governed by a president who will try his best to negate the will of the voters and remain in office despite having been dismissed………

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/23/merrick-garland-needs-to-prosecute-trump/

 

[Saintamaniac]

It will set a disturbing precedent if Attorney General Merrick Garland prosecutes former president Donald Trump for alleged crimes.

What it would do is in no uncertain terms declare that what Nixon said to be true. "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal". Equal justice under the law would prove to be a sham from it's inception. Any other person would be in jail right now and that's not an exaggeration.

But I believe it will set a worse precedent if Garland doesn’t.

That precedent has already been set. Nixon walked free. I don't believe a president should be eligible for a pardon. I believe that once elected to the highest office in the land, that should be stipulation once you raise your hand and take the oath of office. It should be that big a deal that the president of the US should be held to the highest standard that any citizen could be held to. As it stands now, the president is actually above the law while in office and then still above the law once out of office "for the good of the country".