Do you believe being Cis-gendered is a form of privilege? (4 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

Just curious what people think.

I personally do not see there being any kind of special privilege to being comfortable in your own skin.

 

[bdb13]

There are certainly extra things that I haven't had to deal with in my life as a straight male. If someone chooses to view that as a form of "privilege" then I guess that doesn't really bother me. I do agree that privilege is a loaded term here and that I have never really thought of myself as privileged in this regard. I'd imagine there's probably a more accurate term or phrasing that doesn't evoke the negativity associated with being privileged and that also gives people space to empathize with what others who are different from them may have to deal with.

 

[MT15]

Hey, I’m open to hearing this different term we could use.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Hey, I’m open to hearing this different term we could use.

If the goal is to establish dialogue and empathy with people who are generally not inclined to think about racial inequality faced by minorities, then a single term isn't really going to cut it I think.

I think it's just simpler to state that race is still very much a part of the United States social fabric, that racial injustice perpetuated by law and culture created structural problems that still have effects felt today, and there has not been enough effort to actively correct those structural problems.

 

[dtc]

Hey, I’m open to hearing this different term we could use.

Funny. I couldn't care less about the term and think what we're using is not only appropriate, but pretty accurate.

The funny thing is that the folks for whom it needs to be changed to avoid triggering are the same ones who vote Trump, complain about PC culture and whine incessantly about being forced to wish a generic Happy Holiday instead of Merry Christmas.

 

[Beach Friends]

Funny. I couldn't care less about the term and think what we're using is not only appropriate, but pretty accurate.

The funny thing is that the folks for whom it needs to be changed to avoid triggering are the same ones who vote Trump, complain about PC culture and whine incessantly about being forced to wish a generic Happy Holiday instead of Merry Christmas.

You can pretend like we are "triggered" if that helps, but we really know the term is the spawn of garbage postmodernism thought, and leads to the far left acting like this:

NSFW due to potty mouths:

 

[JimEverett]

That's possible. I have not read a ton of race theory, however I don't think there are many race theory academics participating in this thread, so it might be more useful to discuss what it means in a popular culture context.

As I've said, I don't think the terminology does much to advance the conversation forward, given that so many people seem to take it different ways.

I think that is a really weird response. Do you feel the same way about other topics? I mean should each person simply discuss concpets based on how they interpret the popular culture meaning of the term?

 

[SystemShock]

To me, the word "privilege" has a connotation of exclusivity, of a few... in the U.S., the only advantage being white affords you is to not encounter particular issues a relatively small portion of the population encounters because they are not white.

In the U.S., for example, you may not get stopped by the police in the middle of the night driving through an expensive neighborhood because you are white, but if you are white and driving a beat up car through an expensive neighborhood in the middle of the night, you'll get stopped.

Or, you could get a certain reaction to your foreign accent; then again, you could get a reaction to your Southern accent if you are up North.

So, rather than "white advantage", I'd say the more appropriate term is "non-white disadvantage."

 

[Beach Friends]

Then again, there is a reason Elizabeth Warren pretended to be an Indian.

 

[SystemShock]

You can pretend like we are "triggered" if that helps, but we really know the term is the spawn of garbage postmodernism thought, and leads to the far left acting like this:

NSFW due to potty mouths:

We all know where the term "triggered" comes from.

Now, we can trade Tweets/Instagrams/Youtube/TikToks all day long of special snowflakes on both sides of the seesaw, but that doesn't get us anywhere, does it?

 

[Beach Friends]

We all know where the term "triggered" comes from.

Now, we can trade Tweets/Instagrams/Youtube/TikToks all day long of special snowflakes on both sides of the seesaw, but that doesn't get us anywhere, does it?

IDK, people learn in different ways. I thought it was illustrative of how all this "privilege" talk can lead to some unproductive thoughts.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I think that is a really weird response. Do you feel the same way about other topics? I mean should each person simply discuss concpets based on how they interpret the popular culture meaning of the term?

No, I think it's more helpful to debate the people who are here than people who are not here.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

IDK, people learn in different ways. I thought it was illustrative of how all this "privilege" talk can lead to some unproductive thoughts.

So, are you conceding that Trump is stoking racist thoughts? Like all I have to do is post a single video of a crazy idiot supporting Trump, or using the same language as Trump and we win the debate?

Yes, language and words matter, but showing an example of one person on the internet who seems a bit worked up over the issue isn't a great example of some great harm. For example, who is the guy in the video? Is he threatening violence against white people? Is he in some position of power where he's likely to not hire white people anymore?

If the answer is yes to the above, can you show statistics that show that discrimination against white people is on the rise?

 

[Beach Friends]

So, are you conceding that Trump is stoking racist thoughts?

Well sure. In 2019 everything, from drinking milk to wearing a MAGA hat was seen a racist to some people. Hell, the demand for racism was so high last year that we saw Jussie Smollet hire two Nigerians to fill that role for him. Orwellian face crimes became a reality, as we saw a kid on a field trip publicly tried as a racist because he had an awkward moment when someone who lacks "privilege" banged a drum inches away from his face.

So yeah, Trump is the racist but we have learned to ignore what we deem as racist when it is convenient - such as when we learn that the Democratic Governor of VA or the ultra liberal leader of Canada have fetishes for dressing up in black face.

Here is to a more reasonable 2020. The insanity of woke culture has to run its course at some point. It's not sustainable.

 

[JimEverett]

No, I think it's more helpful to debate the people who are here than people who are not here.

I am debating people who are here on this board.

 

[BobE]

such as when we learn that the Democratic Governor of VA or the ultra liberal leader of Canada have fetishes for dressing up in black face.

To be fair Gov Coonman isn't 100% sure he wore blackface as he could have been the one wearing the KKK suit and you also forgot the A.G.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I am debating people who are here on this board.

It doesn't appear that way if you are using a definition of privilege that isn't being used by those of us on this thread.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Well sure. In 2019 everything, from drinking milk to wearing a MAGA hat was seen a racist to some people. Hell, the demand for racism was so high last year that we saw Jussie Smollet hire two Nigerians to fill that role for him. Orwellian face crimes became a reality, as we saw a kid on a field trip publicly tried as a racist because he had an awkward moment when someone who lacks "privilege" banged a drum inches away from his face.

So yeah, Trump is the racist but we have learned to ignore what we deem as racist when it is convenient - such as when we learn that the Democratic Governor of VA or the ultra liberal leader of Canada have fetishes for dressing up in black face.

Here is to a more reasonable 2020. The insanity of woke culture has to run its course at some point. It's not sustainable.

Wow, that was an epic dodge.

 

[JimEverett]

It doesn't appear that way if you are using a definition of privilege that isn't being used by those of us on this thread.

How do you know that? My first response and, really, basis for subsequent responses came fro samiam's partial definition. There really has not been much defining in the thread - certainly not by the original post.

Beyond that, though - do you think discussions of scientific concepts should be based on pop cultural meanings ascribed to them?