DEAN PHILLIPS is challenging Pres. Biden (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

US Rep. (D from MN) DEAN PHILLIPS is challenging President Biden to represent the Democratic Party for President.
I only discovered this today (1/20/2024)
He is wealthy and expects to stay in the race even if it appears hopeless...because Biden is in his 80s and "ya never what could happen"
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U.S. Representative Dean Phillips

U.S. Representative Dean Phillips Proudly Serving the 3rd District of Minnesota

phillips.house.gov

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1) What do Democratic posters on madaboutpolitics think of him? Please consider separating your thoughts about him as a D congressman from your thoughts about his decision to challenge Biden. I'd enjoy it if you answered both...yet separately. Just a request that you naturally can ignore if you wish.
2) I anticipate that many will state that he is wasting his time, yet could his "waste of time candidacy" never the less harm Biden politically?

 

[SystemShock]

I don't know much about him first hand, but I thought Biden running again wasn't optimal before... now with all of the wokesters blaming Biden for the Gaza conflict, chanting in favor of terrorists groups across college campuses, I think it is more important to have a (relatively) fresh, young face out there.

 

[Dragon]

Phillips is just an oppotunist. Aside from age he has no ideology besides getting elected. His statement " ya never what could happen" says all about him. He wants power and fame.

In reality, all he could do was remove support from Biden resulting in a Trump win. But you already know that. You keep promoting alternate democratic candidates who all have one thing in common. A sure Trump win.

Phillips does not have the experience or the contacts with people around the world and in the US. Another businessman who want to run the country as a business which rarely is a success because the goals of a business and a country should not be the same. A business leader will make decisions almost purely based on economics, regardless of what it means for his employees and the environment. A president should think both of the well being and interests of the people who elected him as well at the security and prosperity of the country.

 

[SystemShock]

Phillips is just an oppotunist. Aside from age he has no ideology besides getting elected. His statement " ya never what could happen" says all about him. He wants power and fame.

In reality, all he could do was remove support from Biden resulting in a Trump win. But you already know that. You keep promoting alternate democratic candidates who all have one thing in common. A sure Trump win.

Phillips does not have the experience or the contacts with people around the world and in the US. Another businessman who want to run the country as a business which rarely is a success because the goals of a business and a country should not be the same. A business leader will make decisions almost purely based on economics, regardless of what it means for his employees and the environment. A president should think both of the well being and interests of the people who elected him as well at the security and prosperity of the country.

And how do you get experience or contacts around the world? What experience around the world Obama had before he became president? How much worldy expertise and contacts did Bill Clinton acquire in Arkansas?

I'm just going to copy and paste from another post:

A government has to make money too and run an efficient enterprise. The U.S. government has its shareholders and customers in the citizens, a board of directors in Congress; it needs to make money to keep the enterprise going; it needs to balance its budget; it has products as well (healthcare, infrastructure, etc.)...

You really think presidents don't make decisions around economics?

 

[Dragon]

And how do you get experience or contacts around the world? What experience around the world Obama had before he became president? How much worldy expertise and contacts did Bill Clinton acquire in Arkansas?

I'm just going to copy and paste from another post:

A government has to make money too and run an efficient enterprise. The U.S. government has its shareholders and customers in the citizens, a board of directors in Congress; it needs to make money to keep the enterprise going; it needs to balance its budget; it has products as well (healthcare, infrastructure, etc.)...

You really think presidents don't make decisions around economics?

Nope as I wrote Economics, social wellfare and Security. And I don't see any "policies" or "goals" except for " ya never what could happen" from Phillips. He wants power. He doesn't campaign on much else than being a business leader. No ideology, No real goals. We saw what that led to with Trump.

 

[Lapaz]

US Rep. (D from MN) DEAN PHILLIPS is challenging President Biden to represent the Democratic Party for President.
I only discovered this today (1/20/2024)
He is wealthy and expects to stay in the race even if it appears hopeless...because Biden is in his 80s and "ya never what could happen"
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U.S. Representative Dean Phillips

U.S. Representative Dean Phillips Proudly Serving the 3rd District of Minnesota

phillips.house.gov

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1) What do Democratic posters on madaboutpolitics think of him? Please consider separating your thoughts about him as a D congressman from your thoughts about his decision to challenge Biden. I'd enjoy it if you answered both...yet separately. Just a request that you naturally can ignore if you wish.
2) I anticipate that many will state that he is wasting his time, yet could his "waste of time candidacy" never the less harm Biden politically?

I’m a supporter and contributor to his campaign. He largely agrees with Biden’s policies, and is running on the Democratic ticket, so he can’t pull votes away from Biden in the general election. He is competing in primaries to provide an alternative Biden, and if given the chance, I will vote for him. The main area of difference from Biden is on what to do about immigration. He has suggested vastly increasing staffing at embassies to process asylum seekers to prevent them from making the journey to the US. Some of his other immigration proposals may be similar to Biden’s, such as improving security, including barriers, and increasing judges at the border. It’s not necessarily that his proposals are totally innovative, but he recognizes that it is an issue that needs more attention from Democrats. I also think he isn’t as liberal as the average Democratic candidate. I think Biden is largely a moderate on most things, but he has been pulled left by the party. On the other hand, while Dean seems moderate on most things, Dean came out for Medicare for all, which is liberal, but sensible, because medical care is still far too expensive, so it could even save us money to implement Medicare for all. I was already a supporter, but I watched the Democratic debate on Newsnation, and my interest in Dean only increased. I had very few quibbles with his answers and ideas:

Democratic candidates offer visions for US as Biden alternative

Host Dan Abrams sat down with Rep. Dean Phillips, Marianne Williamson and Cenk Uygur.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[Lapaz]

Nope as I wrote Economics, social wellfare and Security. And I don't see any "policies" or "goals" except for " ya never what could happen" from Phillips. He wants power. He doesn't campaign on much else than being a business leader. No ideology, No real goals. We saw what that led to with Trump.

Trump revealed who he was all his life as a scum, and continued his childish and disrespectful ways throughout his campaign. He didn’t even tout his business experience other than to claim he was smarter than everyone else and to point to his wealth. I wouldn’t tarnish all businessmen due to Trump. Dean is a decent person. His “Hire Me” program where people hire him for a short time to work for them to help him understand their work is great. I’ve never seen a politician do that. It reminds me of the TV program where CEOs go undercover to work for their own companies to get a better understanding. It is a great idea.

Nearly every person that has ever run for president seeks power, but Trump was uniquely selfish and narcissistic. I think Dean has good intentions and realizes that we need another option. I will support Biden in the general, but I will support Dean in the primary.

 

[Lapaz]

Nope as I wrote Economics, social wellfare and Security. And I don't see any "policies" or "goals" except for " ya never what could happen" from Phillips. He wants power. He doesn't campaign on much else than being a business leader. No ideology, No real goals. We saw what that led to with Trump.

I disagree that he doesn’t have policies. Listen to the debate and read up on him. I’m no expert on him anymore than most politicians, and I haven’t done deeper research on him than I normally do, but I like what he has to say and what I’ve read about him. So far I see him as a great candidate. I would also love Gavin Newsome to run. I would probably support him for president and Dean as his vice. I think that would set the Democrats up for the next 16 years.

 

[Dragon]

I like Newsome but not this year and not this late in the process. I fear that he may have some Skeletons in the closet, Phillips still strikes me as an opportunist and to be honest with the way the world are right now, we don't need someone who has to learn the intrigate ways of diplomacy first. Biden has build up trust and good will with many american allies. Having a person with no diplomatic experience as president during this time could be disasterous for the world

 

[CoolBrees]

The government isn't a business and shouldnt be referred to as such.

The Us doesn't "make" profit as in it doesn't generate a product. The country creates revenue through taxes; which is not the same thing.

A corporation is a top down authoratative org, where the sole function is to make money (profit).

A government is a flat org with the primary function of serving it citizens.

In other words - government and business are the polar opposite of each other and the skill set for the individuals at the top are totally different.

If the US was run like a corporatocracy, there would be no military, HHS, DOT, DOE, Congress or SCOTUS. Just Dept of Interior and IRS to manage the sale of our government owned resources.

This is the environment business people operate in.

Really, as a former CEO, I can tell you that C Suite individuals don't get there by making decisions based on the welfare of their workers unless it aligns with profit.

There are no profit centers in government, only cost, and that it a totally different bargaining and communications skill set.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The government isn't a business and shouldnt be referred to as such.

The Us doesn't "make" profit as in it doesn't generate a product. The country creates revenue through taxes; which is not the same thing.

A corporation is a top down authoratative org, where the sole function is to make money (profit).

A government is a flat org with the primary function of serving it citizens.

In other words - government and business are the polar opposite of each other and the skill set for the individuals at the top are totally different.

If the US was run like a corporatocracy, there would be no military, HHS, DOT, DOE, Congress or SCOTUS. Just Dept of Interior and IRS to manage the sale of our government owned resources.

This is the environment business people operate in.

Really, as a former CEO, I can tell you that C Suite individuals don't get there by making decisions based on the welfare of their workers unless it aligns with profit.

There are no profit centers in government, only cost, and that it a totally different bargaining and communications skill set.

I agree.

If someone wants an executive C Suite type individual as president, then it should be an individual with executive C Suite experience exclusively within legitimate non-profit organizations.

They understand how to run things to serve and improve the lives of as many people as possible, as opposed to maximizing revenue and minimizing expenses to give the net profits to an exclusive and small group of people. That's the exact opposite of how to run a democratic government.

By the way, fascism historically always been born out of, supported and maintained by the for profit private sector. Fascism and corporatism have historically always been joined at the hip. It's not a coincidence, it's the goal.

 

[Lapaz]

I like Newsome but not this year and not this late in the process. I fear that he may have some Skeletons in the closet, Phillips still strikes me as an opportunist and to be honest with the way the world are right now, we don't need someone who has to learn the intrigate ways of diplomacy first. Biden has build up trust and good will with many american allies. Having a person with no diplomatic experience as president during this time could be disasterous for the world

The world has always been a mess, but it will take a much worse turn if US democracy fails, so I consider that the bigger issue. I want a good person that can also beat Trump. Rightly or wrongly, Biden isn’t popular, and I think Dean would garner more support, and would do better against Trump. The same goes for Newsome.

 

[MT15]

What experience around the world Obama had before he became president?

I feel like foreign policy was Obama’s weak area. I think there were several things he didn’t get done that he should have in this area.

 

[Lapaz]

I agree.

If someone wants an executive C Suite type individual as president, then it should be an individual with executive C Suite experience exclusively within legitimate non-profit organizations.

They understand how to run things to serve and improve the lives of as many people as possible, as opposed to maximizing revenue and minimizing expenses to give the net profits to an exclusive and small group of people. That's the exact opposite of how to run a democratic government.

By the way, fascism historically always been born out of, supported and maintained by the for profit private sector. Fascism and corporatism have historically always been joined at the hip. It's not a coincidence, it's the goal.

I think government is essentially a service organization, and I agree that a non-profit organization is a good analogy. I know there are differences, but leading a business is a net positive, even if it isn’t a non-profit. Leading a government organization like a city or state is also a net positive, but states also operate differently than the federal government, but I understand that that’s better experience, which is why I would love Newsome to get in the race.

 

[Dragon]

The world has always been a mess, but it will take a much worse turn if US democracy fails, so I consider that the bigger issue. I want a good person that can also beat Trump. Rightly or wrongly, Biden isn’t popular, and I think Dean would garner more support, and would do better against Trump. The same goes for Newsome.

I disagree. Dean also knows it. He is an opportunist and he will never get the union's support. And I doubt that he would be able to get the support of the young people either.

Biden delivers on all points - Economy, Healthcare, Infrastructure and jobs. When everything you really have to critize is his age then something is seriously wrong.

Dean would be a lost puppy when It comes to Putin, Bibi and Xi - they would run in rings around him...

 

[MT15]

We shall see what happens. He’s polling under 10% of the Democratic Party right now, if what I read is accurate.

 

[Lapaz]

I disagree. Dean also knows it. He is an opportunist and he will never get the union's support. And I doubt that he would be able to get the support of the young people either.

Biden delivers on all points - Economy, Healthcare, Infrastructure and jobs. When everything you really have to critize is his age then something is seriously wrong.

Dean would be a lost puppy when It comes to Putin, Bibi and Xi - they would run in rings around him...

All candidates are opportunists. Regarding foreign experience, all Dean needs to do is hire an experienced foreign policy cabinet. Also, I disagree about getting support. He is essentially a generic democrat, and a generic democrat does much better against Trump than Biden. If he beats Biden in the primary, do you think the unions would sit it out?

You may not think age should be a factor, but many people do. Even though Biden’s mind may be better than Trump’s, Trump comes across as much younger, and that matters. It may cost Biden the election, and that would be a disaster, if Trump is the Republican candidate. I totally agree that Biden has been a successful president, but too many people aren’t convinced. I think Biden’s demeanor is the problem. He isn’t a natural fighter. I’m not sure if Dean is that much better at fighting, but his youthful vigor comes across. Newsome would be even better.

 

[Lapaz]

We shall see what happens. He’s polling under 10% of the Democratic Party right now, if what I read is accurate.

The question wasn’t whether he is popular in the Democratic Party, but rather what we thought of him. If he were to win the primary, the vast majority of Democrats would support him, so his polling today doesn’t matter. He has sensible policies, and is a generic Democrat that would crush Trump.