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    Trump's Cuba policy and the reactions to it have been quietly simmering for some time now, but things seem to be accelerating. But in typical Trump fashion, it isn't clear what the administration's objective is.

    - January 2025- Trump back in office and announces new package of sanctions against Cuba.
    - July 2025 - Trump enhances the Cuba travel ban with heightened enforcement.
    - January 29/30, 2026 - Trump announces embargo of Cuba that includes maritime military enforcement that aims to end all oil imports to Cuba. Of course, this is existential for Cuba, as it relies heavily (>60%) on oil imports for its energy. In particular, Trump's removal of Venezuela as a source of oil for Cuba has been a key factor.

    Since the new "maximum pressure" plan with the embargo, Cuba has complained to the UN and Russia has been attempting (perhaps successfully) to circumvent the embargo. Trump has announced various pressures and retaliations (mostly tariffs) to countries that supply Cuba. But also in February, the Trump administration announced a relief package to Cuba (food and supplies) to be distributed through NGOs, not the Cuban government.

    In the past few days:
    - Cuba's oil supplies are very low
    - Russian tankers may be attempting to supply Cuba.
    - Canada has announced it will be coming with an aid package (appears to not include oil) - and it did not consult the US about this at all.
    - Mexico (another key supplier to Cuba) appears caught in the US pressure campaign

    Oh and also, Cuba today fired up and killed four people in a USA-registered speed boat that violated restricted space

    www.aljazeera.com

    Russia considers fuel support for Cuba as Canada pledges food aid

    A US-imposed fuel embargo has threatened to spark a humanitarian crisis in Cuba, whose energy grid relies on fossil fuel
    www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com


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    efil4 said:
    all the more reason to starve the Cubans, amirite?

    Or starving them is going to foment rebellion?

    whats the play here...because im pretty sure blocking any sort of supplies to Cuba isnt going to make the money held by the government re-distribute to the people.


    ( and the irony of that article isnt lost on me - the US is lamenting the fact that the Cuban government is "enriching themselves" LOL )
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    Its the Cuban leadership and military starving the Cuban people.
     
    MT15 said:
    The ends justify the means. There’s really no other way to look at it.

    The US (and Sendai) has decided that civilian deaths are an acceptable result in their lust to take over Cuba. And for what? Are they going to help the Cuban people? Anyone who believes that is an idiot. This administration sees it as a real estate opportunity - nothing else. They want to have the Cuban people work in their resorts. They don’t want them to own anything. Nope that will be reserved for the Trumps and their oligarch friends.

    Both those Miami Herald articles are from January and their source for most of what they say is the US Administration. No new information at all in those articles.
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    Where in this article do you get that “their source for most of what they say is the US Administration”?
     
    Sendai said:
    So you’re good with Begala wanting to sink the boat.
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    You are really bad about doing this crap. Where did I say that?

    To clarify - he sounds like an idiot. No, if the US had sunk that ship it would have been another war crime you could add to the list of war crimes Trump and his flunkies have committed.

    But when he sits there saying Trump should take a strong stand against Putin, well, that makes him an idiot who doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about.
     
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    Sendai said:

    Where in this article do you get that “their source for most of what they say is the US Administration”?
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    That article doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what the US is supposedly doing, which is what you were defending and I was condemning. Yeah, the government in Cuba sucks. That doesn’t excuse the US being a rogue nation and causing death for the civilian population.

    Two things can both be bad and inexcusable.
     
    MT15 said:
    That article doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what the US is supposedly doing, which is what you were defending and I was condemning. Yeah, the government in Cuba sucks. That doesn’t excuse the US being a rogue nation and causing death for the civilian population.

    Two things can both be bad and inexcusable.
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    So harming civilians is unacceptable—unless it’s done through US policy? That’s a convenient line to draw. You can’t condemn Cuba for hurting its people while defending a blockade that contributes to the same outcome. That’s not principle—that’s bias.

    And this idea that outside pressure or intervention is justified? Fine—apply it consistently. The US is spending billions on wars and detention systems while people at home struggle with healthcare and basic security. By that logic, should other countries step in and ‘liberate’ them too?

    Or does that argument only go one way?”
     
    Dozens of US and international human rights organizations are decrying the Trump administration’s plans to establish a migrant “camp” for fleeing Cubans at the Guantánamo Baymilitary base if the island nation’s crisis worsens under pressure from the US, according to a letter to members of Congress on Friday.

    The 85 groups plan to submit the joint letter, exclusively shared with the Guardian, to US senators and House representatives, expressing their “profound concern” with comments made last month by a top Department of Defense commander, and describing any prospect of further migrant detention at the base as “deeply troubling and unacceptable”.

    The commander told Congress last month that in the event of what one Republican senator described as “any humanitarian crisis” in Cuba, the Pentagon would “set up a camp” at the Guantánamo Bay US base to “deal with” migrants……

    www.theguardian.com

    Human rights groups decry US plan for Guantánamo camp for Cuban migrants

    Exclusive: Dozens of organizations write to Congress after general announced plan to ‘deal with’ those fleeing any humanitarian crisis on the island
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


     
    They’re planning a Venezuela-style raid into Cuba to kidnap Castro.

     
    Sendai said:
    Its the Cuban leadership and military starving the Cuban people.
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    I'm sympathetic to removing the Cuban leadership and/or transitioning the government to more democratic form of government, but it's a ridiculous statement to claim that the Cuban leadership is starving the people of Cuba. Before the blockade, no one was starving. They didn't eat as well as they would have liked, but they got sustenance. The Trump administration is using a policy of starvation to force change. The people out of power will suffer the most, so that won't result in change until many innocent people have died.
     

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