Chauvin Murder Trial and fall out(Guilty on all counts) (1 Viewer)

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Verdict will be read 330 CST. Can post here with updates or thoughts.
 

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Trump attorney Jenna Ellis' opinion

and it should be "Chauvin was convicted in the court of public opinion as soon as the public saw what he did"
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Jenna Ellis has accused leftists of influencing jurors to make former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin "pay for the sins of white people."

Ellis, an attorney for former President Donald Trump's 2020 campaign who worked on challenging the result of the election, appeared on Real America's Voice News after the verdict was delivered to blame leftists for the jury's decision

"According to Joe Biden, Maxine Waters, BLM incorporated and other leftists, the facts don't matter and true meaningful justice has been reinvented to mean social justice," she said. "The political and cultural retribution for viewpoint sins of the day."

Democrats celebrated the verdict after it was passed. Biden called the Floyd family, while former President Barack Obama and Michelle Obama said the decision was "the right thing." Chauvin was taken into custody after the jury found him guilty. His sentencing will be delivered in the coming weeks.

Ellis claimed that "Derek Chauvin had already been convicted in the court of public opinion as early as last summer and it doesn't matter to the left that our justice system requires the state to prove each and every element of the alleged offense beyond any or all reasonable doubt."

"It only matters that the nation is emotionally and politically charged," she continued. "Social justice carries with it the philosophy and political idea of corporate guilt."

Ellis argued that people believed Chauvin to be guilty because he's white and "must be made to pay for the sins of white people collectively."

"Derek Chauvin is white, George Floyd is Black so Chauvin is implicitly and automatically guilty of racism so he must be punished," she said. "He must be made to pay for the sins of white people collectively. Social justice ignores the rule of law in favor of the rule of emotional, corporate, automatic guilt."..............

 

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Cue Sesame Street song
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Three-quarters of Americans overall said they agree with the guilty jury verdict found for each of the three charges against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin in the murder of George Floyd. But among Republican voters, about half said the outcome was the "wrong verdict," according to a new survey.

A CBS News/YouGov poll of more than 2,500 U.S. adults released Sunday found that white Americans' reactions to the Chauvin verdict were "largely related to partisanship."

About 9 in 10 Democrats surveyed said Chauvin's conviction on all three counts—second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter—was the "right" decision. The 75 percent of independent voters who agreed it was the right verdict directly corresponded to the overall response from Americans. Eighty-two percent of people who identify as political moderates said they agree the guilty verdict was the right decision.

But among Republican Party voters, 46 percent said it was the "wrong verdict," about five times the amount of disagreeing Democrats............


 

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I did not expect that. I didn't even put it on live to avoid the gut punch of an acquittal. Thanks goodness for some semblance of justice/decency.
Why would you not expect it? I think it is sad that you didn’t expect justice. I think the justice system does a pretty good job of convicting when the evidence is strong, but the media doesn’t portray it well. He was clearly guilty. The only question was what degree he would get.
 

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Why would you not expect it? I think it is sad that you didn’t expect justice. I think the justice system does a pretty good job of convicting when the evidence is strong, but the media doesn’t portray it well. He was clearly guilty. The only question was what degree he would get.

He was a cop. We treat cops better than we treat veterans in this country. Acquittal was definitely the safe bet, even with the mountain of evidence.
 

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He was a cop. We treat cops better than we treat veterans in this country. Acquittal was definitely the safe bet, even with the mountain of evidence.

Nah, it was never a safe bet. This was about as close to an open/shut case as there ever will be. There really was no other verdict unless you have an idiot on the jury deliberately trying to muck things up. I get the history of cops getting friendly judgements often. Buy when there is clear video evidence from start to finish, generally juries will make the right call.

I was 100% sure there was a going to be a guilty verdict. The only question was whether is one of the charges or all of them. I expect this will hold up on any appeals challenge as well.
 

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Why would you not expect it? I think it is sad that you didn’t expect justice. I think the justice system does a pretty good job of convicting when the evidence is strong, but the media doesn’t portray it well. He was clearly guilty. The only question was what degree he would get.

i was worried about a hung jury though. Only takes one person to do that.

What MT said, it only takes one.
 

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Nah, it was never a safe bet. This was about as close to an open/shut case as there ever will be. There really was no other verdict unless you have an idiot on the jury deliberately trying to muck things up. I get the history of cops getting friendly judgements often. Buy when there is clear video evidence from start to finish, generally juries will make the right call.

I was 100% sure there was a going to be a guilty verdict. The only question was whether is one of the charges or all of them. I expect this will hold up on any appeals challenge as well.
You ever watch the philando Castile video?
 

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Cue Sesame Street song
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Three-quarters of Americans overall said they agree with the guilty jury verdict found for each of the three charges against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin in the murder of George Floyd. But among Republican voters, about half said the outcome was the "wrong verdict," according to a new survey.

A CBS News/YouGov poll of more than 2,500 U.S. adults released Sunday found that white Americans' reactions to the Chauvin verdict were "largely related to partisanship."

About 9 in 10 Democrats surveyed said Chauvin's conviction on all three counts—second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter—was the "right" decision. The 75 percent of independent voters who agreed it was the right verdict directly corresponded to the overall response from Americans. Eighty-two percent of people who identify as political moderates said they agree the guilty verdict was the right decision.

But among Republican Party voters, 46 percent said it was the "wrong verdict," about five times the amount of disagreeing Democrats............



It's an interesting barometer of public opinion but I don't care whether someone is a Democrat or Republican, unless you are familiar with all of the evidence presented and listened to the full charge from the judge on how the jury is to consider the charges, an opinion on whether a verdict is "right" or "wrong" lacks sufficient information to be meaningful.

There is often information about the elements of the criminal charges or restrictions on use of evidence that inform the verdict in a way that a person on the street does not comprehend.
 

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It's an interesting barometer of public opinion but I don't care whether someone is a Democrat or Republican, unless you are familiar with all of the evidence presented and listened to the full charge from the judge on how the jury is to consider the charges, an opinion on whether a verdict is "right" or "wrong" lacks sufficient information to be meaningful.

There is often information about the elements of the criminal charges or restrictions on use of evidence that inform the verdict in a way that a person on the street does not comprehend.

That is certainly true in most trials, but I don't think it's true in this case. The 46% of Republicans who say it was the wrong verdict aren't doing it because of lack of evidence. While a trial was necessary for conviction and certainly a process we need to go through for all criminal cases, it wasn't necessary in this case to know what the verdict is, was, or should be. As the prosecutor said at trial from watching the video, "You can believe your eyes". It was that straight forward.

That 46% of Republicans represent a segment of our culture that has dedicated themselves to living in the Trump created reality. They bought into the "Big Lie" and still believe it. They believe in the racist replacement theory. They watch Fox News, OANN, Newsmax and listen to Conservative Radio where all of their views/beliefs are reinforced with lie after lie. They love them some Trucker because, "he's not afraid to say the quiet part out loud". They also hold sway and are often able to convince another 20% or so of society that aren't into the Trump reality as deep as they are, but are sympathetic to the message none the less.

The prosecutors where just lucky to not end up with one of those people on the jury, or else it would have been hung. Which indicates they did a good job during voir dire in weeding those people out. And that they where actually prosecuting the case to get a conviction and not just to have a trial for show. Thank you Keith Ellison! Representation matters.
 

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The police department’s original version of what happened with George Floyd. Do you think if there was no video Chauvin ever would have been charged? (rhetorical).

Nah, it was never a safe bet. This was about as close to an open/shut case as there ever will be. There really was no other verdict unless you have an idiot on the jury deliberately trying to muck things up. I get the history of cops getting friendly judgements often. Buy when there is clear video evidence from start to finish, generally juries will make the right call.

I was 100% sure there was a going to be a guilty verdict. The only question was whether is one of the charges or all of them. I expect this will hold up on any appeals challenge as well.

It was never a safe bet but one of the most powerful points that someone made centered around the fact that there were multiple kids/minors witnessing the murder....and a few of those kids/bystanders were brave enough to film it.....to me that is incredibly powerful....this is a 1st step in a long process to holding police accountable....
 

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It was never a safe bet but one of the most powerful points that someone made centered around the fact that there were multiple kids/minors witnessing the murder....and a few of those kids/bystanders were brave enough to film it.....to me that is incredibly powerful....this is a 1st step in a long process to holding police accountable....

Yes, that's a big part of why it was a safe bet.
 

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He was a cop. We treat cops better than we treat veterans in this country. Acquittal was definitely the safe bet, even with the mountain of evidence.
We definitely don't treat cops better than veterans, and the notion that this case could end in acquittal was a media narrative to keep people engaged. Cops get convicted regularly, especially when the evidence is this strong. A hung jury was a possibility, but acquittal was almost impossible.

I have some empathy for people that have been or know people that have been abused, because I've been abused myself over 30 years ago after I made some snide remarks due to their overreaction during a stop, but my remarks didn't justify their subsequent actions. I filed a complaint, and was interviewed subsequently, but I never followed up to see if he got punished in any way, so I think he got off without punishment for yanking me down by my hair. I'm Hispanic and look it, though many think I'm Italian, and it was a blond cop, so it may have been racist, nevertheless, I think the media hypes it more than it really happens. I think in most cases the cops are justified in their actions. Even in my case, they were on high alert since the president was in the area, and that type of tension can sometimes result in them taking things too far, but I think that is less frequent than the media portrays. I support more accountability, and I think body cams and the culture are reducing misbehavior. Had they been in existence when the cop threatened to blow my head off and yanked me to the ground, that cop may have lost his job. Still, I believe the system is full of people with good intentions. We always need to work to keep culling the garbage, but I've met many cops and had about a dozen encounters with cops over the years, and none have ever treated me badly again. Those that I've become acquainted with are decent people, though some get a little jaded by their jobs. Cops have a tough job, and we don't thank them for their service enough. If they felt more appreciated, we might get better people serving.
 

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