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    According to this article: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/29/politics/2020-election-week-ahead/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_allpolitics+(RSS:+CNN+-+Politics)
    Uncle Joe enjoys a massive lead among people who will in now way decide the 2020 election. Minorities in the South. I'm wondering if that dynamic is going to wind up giving us Hillary Part 2. A candidate who wins the nomination handily, then loses the general election because the primary voters who pushed them over the top live in deep red states where their votes are meaningless.

    I'm not sure how either party would go about fixing this. (It's a phenomenon the GOP would face, as well. Imagine if the GOP primary came down to New York and California. You know damn well those voters aren't giving a single elector in November, yet they're deciding who's on the ballot.)
     
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    What I think is going on is that Black voters are understanding the big picture that there is a sitting President that embraces the alt-Right and all of their bigotry, xenophobia and so on. While they may not be specifically aimed @ the Black community, we're aware that this administration's policies can turn against us for the worst at any moment. We feel that Biden gives us the best chance at unseating Trump. While the pie in the sky ideals of the Left/Socialist are okay...I guess, we get that maybe this ain't the right time for any of it. Unseat Trump first, change the world later.

    ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    I want to call BS on this. If this was true, black voters would have never voted for Hillary. She polled something like 10+ points worse then Bernie vs Trump. If this is now being used as an excuse to vote for another "everything is going to stay the same" candidates. That makes zero sense. The thing Biden and HRC have in common is they are not part of the progressive block of the party.

    FYI: The black voting block is why you won't see a openly gay person win the nomination anytime soon. No one wants to talk about that either.

    I don't think it matters. I personally feel Biden is going to run into some issues if he doesn't win a bunch of states right of the bat. So far he isn't really polling like he will. You can't run as THANOS and start out losing. The more I see of him in debates, the less I like.

    Who wants to see two 75+ year old white guys with dementia argue about politics?
     
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    I don't think he's the best. I think right now he's the most familiar to casual observers. Once the field narrows and voting begins you'll see a shift I believe.
    I think by far Warren is the best the Democrats have to offer. But too many people can't handle more than skin-deep sound bites and real policy proposals so not nearly as many support her as should. anyone quickly off the top of your head name me two real proposals of the leading Democratic candidates not named Warren?

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    I think by far Warren is the best the Democrats have to offer. But too many people can't handle more than skin-deep sound bites and real policy proposals so not nearly as many support her as should. anyone quickly off the top of your head name me two real proposals of the leading Democratic candidates not named Warren?

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    I think her rise in the polls is related to her policy positions. It certainly isn’t because she’s charismatic. I really think she’s going to win Iowa and take the lead in the polls. If she does it will 100% be based on her wonkyness.

    Now, I don’t think you can beat Trump on policy.
     
    I think her rise in the polls is related to her policy positions. It certainly isn’t because she’s charismatic. I really think she’s going to win Iowa and take the lead in the polls. If she does it will 100% be based on her wonkyness.

    Now, I don’t think you can beat Trump on policy.
    I think she is charismatic, but she’s not good-ol-boy charismatic.

    Unlike many others, I don’t think Trump has to be beaten on his own sound-bite/lie/personal attack ground. I think he can be beaten by letting Trump be Trump and continue to erode his own popularity, while showing the effects his administration has had upon normal working Americans (taxes have actually gone UP and will get worse in n the next few years, his stupid trade wars causing US businesses to fail *and* costing the US taxpayers money, his complete buffoonery costing the US in international standing as well as in the US voters’ eyes, etc).

    But then again, I overestimated the US voters last time. I would hope most learned from THAT mistake.
     
    What I think is going on is that Black voters are understanding the big picture that there is a sitting President that embraces the alt-Right and all of their bigotry, xenophobia and so on. While they may not be specifically aimed @ the Black community, we're aware that this administration's policies can turn against us for the worst at any moment. We feel that Biden gives us the best chance at unseating Trump. While the pie in the sky ideals of the Left/Socialist are okay...I guess, we get that maybe this ain't the right time for any of it. Unseat Trump first, change the world later.

    Ehh..you say 'pie in the sky', i say its pie in the sky to spend $700 billion bombing poor brown folks in caves. Its pie in the sky to not take care of your own country..i say its high time we had more adults with common sense in office instead of corporatist sellouts..

    Anyway, i fully expect you to vote for Sanders or Warren should they become the nominee, no? I mean, i could get used to both sides using the socialism perjorative for the next 4 to 8 years ;)
     
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    A good article on this subject:


    interesting article, but I'm surprised it didn't really look at the history of representation since Blacks won the right to vote and it didn't seem to factor age into it as much. There are, I think, systematized holdovers that are still embedded in the system. I think there's a lot to be said regarding the generational - older Black voters are the more establishment voters.

    Hillary got 75% of the Black vote in 2016, but it came primarily from the 45+ crowd, age demographics which supported her in the 85-90% range.

    These generational issues underscore the 'establishment' prevalence because we aren't really that far removed from when the 'establishment' candidate was the primary option, or only option.

    I think part of the discussion needs to take into account the historical nature of the system, and it's only somewhat alluded to in that article when it talks about the age/generation gap.
     

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