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    coldseat said:
    Is this some conspiracy?

    You do realize that the DOJ and the Select Committee are two different entities and not part of the same branch of government. And that all evidence used at trial, would be maintained by the DOJ. And that the Select Committee couldn't prosecute anybody. Right?
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    Cool. So the evidence used by the committee is still available, the DOJ has it?
     
    Lapaz said:
    Did you see the video from January 6th? There were a lot of criminal acts. Many haven’t been prosecuted due to lack of evidence. Those that have, were convicted by a jury of their peers.
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    I have seen some but not all are available to view. There were indeed a lot of criminal acts committed that day.
    Many were innocent is what you were trying to say.
    What is the penalty for federal trespassing?
     
    Farb said:
    I have seen some but not all are available to view. There were indeed a lot of criminal acts committed that day.
    Many were innocent is what you were trying to say.
    What is the penalty for federal trespassing?
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    People that trespassed were not prosecuted. There were about 150 people that attacked policemen, and many more that destroyed property. It was a travesty of Justice to pardon them. Since Trump thinks they did it for him, he doesn’t care that they didn’t deserve pardons. His pardons send the message that violence is okay.
     
    It's almost like some/most of these folks are just criminals...

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...january-6-rioter-pardoned-killed/77979386007/

    An Indiana man recently pardoned by President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol has been shot and killed by a sheriff’s deputy during a traffic stop.

    Just after 4 p.m. on Sunday, a Jasper County Sheriff’s deputy pulled over 42-year-old Matthew Huttle of Hobart, Indiana State Police said in news release.

    While trying to arrest Huttle, police say he resisted and began struggling with the deputy.

    "An altercation took place between the suspect and the officer, which resulted in the officer firing his weapon and fatally wounding the suspect," police said.

    Police added that Huttle "was in possession of a firearm" during the traffic stop but did not say whether he wielded the weapon or where exactly it was found.
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    Don't resist.
     
    Lapaz said:
    People that trespassed were not prosecuted. There were about 150 people that attacked policemen, and many more that destroyed property. It was a travesty of Justice to pardon them. Since Trump thinks they did it for him, he doesn’t care that they didn’t deserve pardons. His pardons send the message that violence is okay.
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    They were not prosecuted for convicted?
     
    Farb said:
    They were not prosecuted for convicted?
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    That doesn't make much sense Farb. What the heck is "prosecuted for Convicted," it sounds like it's a passion play for convicted criminals.

    Society dowagers would most certainly buy tickets and flower arrangements to attend.

    :rolleyes:

    My son just walked in and handed me a peeled carrot to eat.

    I better eat it.
     
    GrandAdmiral said:
    If the stuff in this book turns out to be true, what's left of Biden's legacy might be destroyed...

    www.cnn.com

    New book on Biden by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson reports a ‘cover up’ about his decline | CNN Business

    The day after Donald Trump won the 2024 election, CNN anchor Jake Tapper and Axios correspondent Alex Thompson decided to co-author a book about what had led the Democratic party to defeat, with a focus on former President Joe Biden.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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    I didn't want Biden to run, even before he announced. He was already showing some decline before then. I'll always blame the DNC for not standing up and saying the Biden shouldn't run again. They knew and forked it up imo. And if Biden and his team tried to cover up his declining health, then they deserve every bit of criticism they get.

    This was a large reason why turnout was lower in 2024 than it was in 2020.
     
    DaveXA said:
    I didn't want Biden to run, even before he announced. He was already showing some decline before then. I'll always blame the DNC for not standing up and saying the Biden shouldn't run again. They knew and forked it up imo. And if Biden and his team tried to cover up his declining health, then they deserve every bit of criticism they get.

    This was a large reason why turnout was lower in 2024 than it was in 2020.
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    My problem is if Jake Tapper et al had wind of this at that time, why didn't they sound alarm bells then?
     
    I remember when he ran in 2020 it was as a "transitional" candidate, and there was a sense (if not an overt commitment) that he likely wouldn't run in 2024. But when the midterms weren't as bad as some were predicting I think he got it in his head that he was doing better with the public than he actually was. Plus, I think there was a disconnect that Trump was really a threat to win -- I think there was an attitude that he was so damaged after Jan. 6 that there was no way he could win, which obviously turned out to be quite incorrect.

    The truth is that, fair or not, Biden took a big credibility hit after the Afghanistan pullout that he never recovered from. After the midterms turned out better than expected, he should have announced right then that he wasn't going to run in 2024, and then an actual primary might have been able to build some excitement to turning the page on both Trump and Biden. But he didn't, and here we are.
     
    Booker said:
    I remember when he ran in 2020 it was as a "transitional" candidate, and there was a sense (if not an overt commitment) that he likely wouldn't run in 2024. But when the midterms weren't as bad as some were predicting I think he got it in his head that he was doing better with the public than he actually was. Plus, I think there was a disconnect that Trump was really a threat to win -- I think there was an attitude that he was so damaged after Jan. 6 that there was no way he could win, which obviously turned out to be quite incorrect.

    The truth is that, fair or not, Biden took a big credibility hit after the Afghanistan pullout that he never recovered from. After the midterms turned out better than expected, he should have announced right then that he wasn't going to run in 2024, and then an actual primary might have been able to build some excitement to turning the page on both Trump and Biden. But he didn't, and here we are.
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    I also think there was a lot of arrogance at play. Biden was convinced he was the best person to beat Trump. Harris was never the best candidate, but she was the only hope, since Biden waited too long to allow a primary contest.

    Also, to an extent, Biden's belief was reinforced by his legislative success. He was one of the most successful presidents in terms of legislative achievements, and he successfully managed the economic recovery, but many voters had not felt it. Also, I think Biden allowed the culture to shift too far left, and a lot of people were turned off by that. Trump is the polar opposite, so an extreme and irrational pendulum switch. If we manage to keep democracy, the next candidate may bring us back to balance.
     
    I still believe that history will look very kindly on the Biden admin, who knows how much more he would have accomplished if it wasn't for Manchin and Sinema

    That said I believe that he should have announced that he wouldn't seek re-election
     
    I also believe the Afghanistan withdrawal was always going to be a clusterfork no matter who did it or when

    Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden

    Could things have been done differently? Definitely

    Would things have gone differently? Possibly

    Would that difference have been better or worse? Who knows?

    But I don’t think there was any scenario where everyone involved and everyone watching would say “that went perfectly, smooth as silk”
     

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