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I feel like this deserves a separate topic.
What will be the plan for the DNC?
How will this all shake out?
What will be the plan for the DNC?
How will this all shake out?
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I'm thinking Kelley or Shapiro are the top two. Kelley probably edges things because I think Biden endorsing Harris secures the urban vote in PA and the state.
Kelley, however, I believe secures AZ. Harris might not on her own for... reasons.
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You know that would make Trump feel 100x worse.
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See how exciting this is! LOL.. fun stuff..
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Seymour Hersh article from today before Biden's announcement:
Pelosi was the one with the political savvy to tell the president that there will be no second term—something no one in the White House apparently saw fit to do—and her intervention, once publicly known, freed the cowering and mumbling Democratic leaders in the Senate and the House to begin to share their real fears to the White House and Washington press.
...But those are cosmetic issues compared to the one now haunting many with ties to the upper reaches of the Democratic Party’s funding apparatus. I was told that Vice President Harris wants Biden’s job and has been working hard with many in the media to push the notion that it is time for a woman, especially a woman of color, to serve as president. She has even floated, to the dismay of party managers, the names of three men—Governor Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Governor Joshua Shapiro of Pennsylvania, and Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, a former astronaut—to serve as her vice president and running mate in the campaign that could emerge. (In 2019 Harris had early traction in the primary campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination but performed poorly in the second round of debates and ran into money problems that forced her to drop out of the race in early December.)
None of the political pros I’ve spoken to this week would talk on the record about the extreme concern felt by Democratic Party bigwigs about the prospect of a woman of color and a Jew running for the White House against Trump, whose MAGA followers are predominantly white and resentful of the increasing influence of people of color in America.
...The top issue, according to those with first-hand information, is to make sure that Biden does not decide immediately to abdicate the office and turn it over to Harris. “We want him to stay in office until January 20, 2025, when the new president is sworn in.” There would inevitably be a political downside to that strategy, I was told, because the Republicans would rightly “make hay” with the notion “that Biden is not fit to run for the presidency but still fit to be president” until the inauguration.
And the question confronting the political planners, I was told, is: “Does Biden has the strength to stay to the end?”
Another problem with keeping the ailing Biden in office for the next six months, as a political expert told me, is that “Kamala thinks she’s a solid candidate.” There is a lot of evidence that she may not be. On June 6, a Politico/Morning Consult poll found that “only a third of voters think it is likely Harris would win an election were she to become the Democratic nominee, and just three of five Democrats believe she would prevail. A quarter of independents think she would win.” The poll also showed that Harris shares the same poor ratings as Biden. Both are well under water: Biden at 43 percent favorable and 54 percent unfavorable; Harris is at 42 percent favorable and 52 percent unfavorable.
Meanwhile, the Democrats are also facing immediate and murderous foreign policy crises in both Ukraine and Gaza. Biden and his stunningly incompetent foreign policy team, who share a visceral contempt for President Vladimir Putin of Russia, have boxed themselves in with their continuing support, including billions in military and social aid, for the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. The war is going badly and Putin has what he wants in terms of captured Ukrainian territory.
The only rational solution is diplomatic talks and so far the Biden administration has refused to engage in negotiations.
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Pelosi was the one with the political savvy to tell the president that there will be no second term—something no one in the White House apparently saw fit to do—and her intervention, once publicly known, freed the cowering and mumbling Democratic leaders in the Senate and the House to begin to share their real fears to the White House and Washington press.
...But those are cosmetic issues compared to the one now haunting many with ties to the upper reaches of the Democratic Party’s funding apparatus. I was told that Vice President Harris wants Biden’s job and has been working hard with many in the media to push the notion that it is time for a woman, especially a woman of color, to serve as president. She has even floated, to the dismay of party managers, the names of three men—Governor Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Governor Joshua Shapiro of Pennsylvania, and Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, a former astronaut—to serve as her vice president and running mate in the campaign that could emerge. (In 2019 Harris had early traction in the primary campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination but performed poorly in the second round of debates and ran into money problems that forced her to drop out of the race in early December.)
None of the political pros I’ve spoken to this week would talk on the record about the extreme concern felt by Democratic Party bigwigs about the prospect of a woman of color and a Jew running for the White House against Trump, whose MAGA followers are predominantly white and resentful of the increasing influence of people of color in America.
...The top issue, according to those with first-hand information, is to make sure that Biden does not decide immediately to abdicate the office and turn it over to Harris. “We want him to stay in office until January 20, 2025, when the new president is sworn in.” There would inevitably be a political downside to that strategy, I was told, because the Republicans would rightly “make hay” with the notion “that Biden is not fit to run for the presidency but still fit to be president” until the inauguration.
And the question confronting the political planners, I was told, is: “Does Biden has the strength to stay to the end?”
Another problem with keeping the ailing Biden in office for the next six months, as a political expert told me, is that “Kamala thinks she’s a solid candidate.” There is a lot of evidence that she may not be. On June 6, a Politico/Morning Consult poll found that “only a third of voters think it is likely Harris would win an election were she to become the Democratic nominee, and just three of five Democrats believe she would prevail. A quarter of independents think she would win.” The poll also showed that Harris shares the same poor ratings as Biden. Both are well under water: Biden at 43 percent favorable and 54 percent unfavorable; Harris is at 42 percent favorable and 52 percent unfavorable.
Meanwhile, the Democrats are also facing immediate and murderous foreign policy crises in both Ukraine and Gaza. Biden and his stunningly incompetent foreign policy team, who share a visceral contempt for President Vladimir Putin of Russia, have boxed themselves in with their continuing support, including billions in military and social aid, for the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. The war is going badly and Putin has what he wants in terms of captured Ukrainian territory.
The only rational solution is diplomatic talks and so far the Biden administration has refused to engage in negotiations.
A PRESIDENCY’S BITTER END
Biden knows he has to go, but that doesn’t mean he’s happy about it
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el caliente
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Is it his underestimating how unpopular Trump is outside his base that is the problem, or the Democrat party underestimating how unpopular this lift and shift of delegates is going to be taken by voters?
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bdb13
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I don't think it's going to be a major problem in the Democratic party. I think it's probably going to be pretty popular actually and draw some people back in.
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Does the average Voter care? Nope.
This puts life back into the party and race. It opens up the door to folks who were thinking Biden was just too old (and not voting because). It's simple stuff.
Much to his chagrin, lol.
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Nothing to lose so here’s hoping…
el caliente
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This past week (in the run up to today’s events) you had AOC and so many others saying that Joe should stick around and that nobody supports Harris. I’m not sure what has changed over the past 4 hours, but this isn’t my party.
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Not mine either but I think they'll rally around Harris.
Nobody from the democratic side said this, that I am aware of. Do you remember who said it?
el caliente
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The loyalists will always vote to who they are loyal to, but to undecided voters (such as myself) I don’t see how things changed from her last run at it, and that doesn’t draw me to voting for her.
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And? Folks can't change their minds? Can't coalesce around a candidate? At the end of day, she will support the nominee.
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Of course she will support the nominee, however I don’t think this pumps up the base like people suspect it will.
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