Biden stepping down - now what? (5 Viewers)

[zztop]

I feel like this deserves a separate topic.
What will be the plan for the DNC?
How will this all shake out?

 

[Incumbent]

I agree with the sentiment about insurance companies, but corporations do contribute to employees' health insurance in a number of ways. Corporations contribute matching funds to the price of health, vision, and life insurance of their employees. They also are able to negotiate better rates for employees, by contracting group insurance. Then even offer some relief after an employee is terminated/laid off/separates from a corporation with C.O.B.R.A.

Is it perfect? No. Equitable/just? Depends who you ask. But personally, I paid $800 a month for the best coverage I could get for my family while I was working, with the company I was working for contributing $600 (IIRC). When I retired, I could've signed up for C.O.B.R.A. for ~$1,500/month. If I were the get the same coverage by myself, it was ~$2,500/month.

And one thing about corporations... I get that people think corporations are made exclusively of Warren Buffets, Bill Gateses, Elon Musks, and CEO's who make millions. But corporations are also people like you or me, thousands of shareholders who own fractions of companies here and there.

All of that is understood and why I wasn’t making the argument that corporations aren’t making any contributions.

There is abundant room for improvement, however, and that is going to require changes to tax rates at the higher levels, or reduced services, or costs passed on to workers.

 

[LA - L.A.]

1- the fact that adults are making these life altering decisions for kids is the crazy part. All of it should be outlawed until they are at least 18. It’s gross and detrimental

That sword cuts both ways, Krod. If a child wants something and you forbid them from having it, then you are also making life altering decisions for the child. You're just forcing them to follow the life path that you think they should follow.

The way it is now, a child doesn't just get the medical care they want just because they ask for it. The child and their parents work with trained and experienced professionals to reach a decision on what is best for the child based on listening to the child.

You just want to demand every child do as you tell them without ever even meeting a single one of them. That's the treatment of children that's actually gross and detrimental, Krod.

 

[SystemShock]

I'm curious to see the reaction of the alleged liberal media, who up to know did a really good job of mocking Biden every chance they got.

 

[MT15]

So the GOP smear machine is already in operation. This tells me one thing - they are worried about Trump’s ties to Epstein and what may come out at a later date.

 

[SaintForLife]

It looks like Obama isn't supporting Kamala.

 

[Incumbent]

Trump couldn’t be more predictable…

 

[LA - L.A.]

They obviously told Fetterman he isn't getting picked for VP.

I completely agree with Fetterman and no one told me I'm not getting picked for VP. Fetterman never once expressed any desire to be president or VP and consistently supported Biden being the nominee. He's just being factually accurate when he says this:

Sen. John Fetterman: "People pushed out an honorable man, loving father and a great president before an absolute sleazeball like Menendez. Congratulations."

 

[bdb13]

So I have seen two things happening at the same time on Twitter. Several people, some media, some former Rs like Sarah Longwell, have posted that the Trump campaign is in shambles over this. They’re not sure they want to face Harris, they’re doubting their strategy of trying to get Biden out now.

At the same time random MAGAs in the comments are saying that’s not true - like they would know. And swearing they wanted Biden out because he’s harder to beat than Harris.

Just nice to see the chaos on the other side for a change.

It's pretty easy to work through logically.. they thought defeating Biden was essentially in the bag, they may still think they'll defeat Kamala but now the scene has been shaken up and if the trajectory you felt before was certain victory.. you didn't really want anything to shake that.

 

[Incumbent]

I'm curious to see the reaction of the alleged liberal media, who up to know did a really good job of mocking Biden every chance they got.

“Trump’s Age Provides Him With Wisdom and Experience That Harris Lacks: Here’s Why That’s Bad for Biden”

 

[Incumbent]

I completely agree with Fetterman and no one told me I'm not getting picked for VP. Fetterman never once expressed any desire to be president and consistency supported Biden being the nominee. He's just being factually accurate when he says this:

Sen. John Fetterman: "People pushed out an honorable man, loving father and a great president before an absolute sleazeball like Menendez. Congratulations."

Yep. Fetterman had been an outspoken and consistent supporter of Biden’s throughout this, when there was nothing for him to angle for.

 

[MT15]

It's pretty easy to work through logically.. they thought defeating Biden was essentially in the bag, they may still think they'll defeat Kamala but now the scene has been shaken up and if the trajectory you felt before was certain victory.. you didn't really want anything to shake that.

2 contradictory thoughts. They either wanted Biden to stay in because he’s easier to beat than anyone else, or they wanted Biden out because he would be harder to beat than Harris. I probably didn’t make that clear.

 

[bdb13]

2 contradictory thoughts. They either wanted Biden to stay in because he’s easier to beat than anyone else, or they wanted Biden out because he would be harder to beat than Harris. I probably didn’t make that clear.

Oh yeah I understood.

I was dismissing the idea there that they actually wanted Biden out.

 

[SystemShock]

All of that is understood and why I wasn’t making the argument that corporations aren’t making any contributions.

There is abundant room for improvement, however, and that is going to require changes to tax rates at the higher levels, or reduced services, or costs passed on to workers.

There's also the cost of doing health care business, both operational and legal. I read somewhere that last year, in Louisiana alone, more than $400,000,000 were awarded by juries in punitive damages, and one of the businesses hit the biggest were pharmaceuticals. That's something that's not going to happen in other countries. In MX, there would be fines, criminal charges, but tribunals (no jury trials in MX) are not going to award millions to anyone.

 

[Incumbent]

 

[MT15]

According to Twitter a complete list of Harris endorsements as of 6PM EDT

President Biden
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
John Kerry

Gov. Janet Mills, Maine
Gov. Jared Polis, Colorado

Mayor Karen Bass, Los Angeles
Mayor Brandon Johnson, Chicago

Sen. Tammy Baldwin (WI)
Sen. Laphonza Butler (CA)
Sen. Chris Coons (DE)
Sen. Mazie Hirono (HI)
Sen. Tim Kaine (VA)
Sen. Mark Kelly (AZ)
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (MN)
Sen. Ed Markey (MA)
Sen. Patty Murray (WA)
Sen. Jon Ossoff (GA)
Sen. Alex Padilla (CA)
Sen. Tina Smith (MN)
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (MA)
Sen. Mark Warner (VA)

Rep. Nanette Barragán (CA-44)
Rep. Joyce Beatty (OH-03)
Rep. Ami Bera (CA-06)
Rep. Don Beyer (VA-08)
Rep. Jamaal Bowman (NY-16)
Rep. Julia Brownley (CA-26)
Rep. Cori Bush (MO-01)
Rep. Salud Carbajal (CA-24)
Rep. Sean Casten (IL-06)
Rep. Jim Clyburn (SC-06)
Rep. Joe Courtney (CT-02)
Rep. Jasmine Crockett (TX-30)
Rep. Suzan DelBene (WA-01)
Rep. Debbie Dingell (MI-06)
Rep. Lizzie Fletcher (TX-07)
Rep. Maxwell Frost (FL-10)
Rep. Ruben Gallego (AZ-03)
Rep. Jesús “Chuy” García (IL-04)
Rep. Sylvia Garcia (TX-29)
Rep. Jimmy Gomez (CA-34)
Rep. Jahana Hayes (CT-05)
Rep. Steven Horsford (NV-04)
Rep. Jared Huffman (CA-02)
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (WA-07)
Rep. Bill Keating (MA-09)
Rep. Tim Kennedy (NY-26)
Rep. Dan Kildee (MI-08)
Rep. Annie Kuster (NH-02)
Rep. Summer Lee (PA-12)
Rep. Ted Lieu (CA-36)
Rep. Kathy Manning (NC-06)
Rep. Lucy McBath (GA-09)
Rep. Gregory Meeks (NY-05)
Rep. Grace Meng (NY-06)
Rep. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Rep. Jared Moskowitz (FL-23)
Rep. Seth Moulton (MA-06)
Rep. Jerry Nadler (NY-12)
Rep. Ilhan Omar (MN-05)
Rep. Dean Phillips (MN-03)
Rep. Katie Porter (CA-47)
Rep. Ayanna Pressley (MA-07)
Rep. Delia Ramirez (IL-03)
Rep. Jamie Raskin (MD-08)
Rep. Deborah Ross (NC-02)
Rep. Adam Schiff (CA-30)
Rep. Hillary Scholten (MI-03)
Rep. Brad Schneider (IL-10)
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)
Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon (PA-05)
Rep. Terri Sewell (AL-07)
Rep. Haley Stevens (MI-11)
Rep. Eric Swalwell (CA-14)
Rep. Emilia Sykes (OH-13)
Rep. Shri Thanedar (MI-13)
Rep. Paul Tonko (NY-20)
Rep. Nydia Velázquez (NY-07)

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[J-DONK]

It's pretty easy to work through logically.. they thought defeating Biden was essentially in the bag, they may still think they'll defeat Kamala but now the scene has been shaken up and if the trajectory you felt before was certain victory.. you didn't really want anything to shake that.

I'm pretty sure Republicans panicked this weekend, and sent out the bots to defend Biden. Last night, twitter was an odd place.

 

[zztop]

So I have seen two things happening at the same time on Twitter. Several people, some media, some former Rs like Sarah Longwell, have posted that the Trump campaign is in shambles over this. They’re not sure they want to face Harris, they’re doubting their strategy of trying to get Biden out now.

At the same time random MAGAs in the comments are saying that’s not true - like they would know. And swearing they wanted Biden out because he’s harder to beat than Harris.

Just nice to see the chaos on the other side for a change.

Take what MAGA says and think the opposite of that. I think we have enough of a history to rely on, that their message is the opposite of what they are telling people.

 

[Incumbent]

There's also the cost of doing health care business, both operational and legal. I read somewhere that last year, in Louisiana alone, more than $400,000,000 were awarded by juries in punitive damages, and one of the businesses hit the biggest were pharmaceuticals. That's something that's not going to happen in other countries. In MX, there would be fines, criminal charges, but tribunals (no jury trials in MX) are not going to award millions to anyone.

Yes, our current system is untenable in multiple ways.