Assassination attempt on Trump (1 Viewer)

[SaintForLife]

Trump is alive, but his ear was bleeding

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

2 - Jan 6 was like 300 idiots that would have never overthrown the government. Yes it was ignorant and really stupid. It was also dealt with very quickly. On the other hand protesters take over neighborhoods and towns, burn down peoples houses and businesses, destroy courthouses and police stations and they allow it to go on for months negotiating with them and nobody goes to jail? Is that ok with you? Would you support that party to run the country? Oh and the you can’t compare? Ask the people who lost everything what event bothered them more. Why weren’t police called in and everyone involved arrested and charged. Why when the Dem politicians called for violence and called it a necessity not dealt with? Is that who you want running your country?

300? that statement right alone should tell eveyone that yo don't care about facts. everything else you say going forwad has no merit...

 

[LA - L.A.]

Incompetence is such a simpler explanation.

Doesn't even have to be incompetence, just good ole unavoidable human error that even competent people occasionally suffer.

 

[Krodwhodat]

300? that statement right alone should tell eveyone that yo don't care about facts. everything else you say going forwad has no merit...

Another avoiding the obvious

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Another avoiding the obvious

i forgot, yall call the tourists, my bad..

 

[DaveXA]

1 - I think I’m pretty calm and level headed.

If you say so.

2 - Jan 6 was like 300 idiots that would have never overthrown the government.

No it wasn't. This completely understates and micharacterizes what J6 was. And this is why we'll never see eye to eye. That you're trying to equivocate this with protests all over the country for legitimate reasons, says it all. Unacceptable.

Yes it was ignorant and really stupid.

Yes it was.

It was also dealt with very quickly.

No it wasn't. It should have ended when the crowd started attacking security and breaking sheet. Instead, they made it into the Congressional chambers and offices and cause millions of dollars in damages to what is supposed to be the People's House. Don't come at me with revisionist history.

On the other hand protesters take over neighborhoods and towns, burn down peoples houses and businesses, destroy courthouses and police stations and they allow it to go on for months negotiating with them and nobody goes to jail? Is that ok with you?

Again with the revisionist history. People did get arrested, people did go to jail. There no doubt were both leftist and fascist agitators that fanned the flames then. But recall why all of that started. An innocent man was brutally murdered by a cop. Injustice like that cannot and should not go unanswered. This was years and years of buildup to those protests, and not to mention this was when Covid had run roughshod over the country.

Would you support that party to run the country?

I'm an independent. Country over party. But to say the parties are the same right now doesn't sit well with me. Only one party attempted to overthrow the election results, and only one party is backing the horse that wanted to see the election results overthrow because he couldn't admit he lost.

Oh and the you can’t compare? Ask the people who lost everything what event bothered them more. Why weren’t police called in and everyone involved arrested and charged.

Lol,, you're only telling half the story man. You need to go read up because you're missing a lot of context here.

Why when the Dem politicians called for violence and called it a necessity not dealt with?

Those who called for violence were wrong. I get the sentiment, but they were wrong. Violence is very rarely the answer.

Is that who you want running your country?

I want a sane, reasonable person who treats everyone with respect and fairly.

3 - comparing him to Hitler is a generalization. People are politicians because they are arrogant with huge egos and seek power. They want things run the way they see it.

Ok.

4 - I have decency and I’ve voiced my opinion that it needs to be fixed and made easier but some respect of our laws of entry isn’t to hard to ask.

No, you said we need to throw them all out. At least that was implied. Doing that isn't decent.

5 - I get what Jan 6 did for you but we see it differently. There are also things dems do thst are my line and will never get my vote. So again, both have different opinions and neither are wrong but we can be civil about it.

We can be civil, but I'm not going to be civil about J6. That was essentially a result of Trump hollering that the election was a fraud and that he should be handed the win and made up bogus claims, and for which guys like Rudy are paying the price now, as they should. J6 was a terrible day in history and no revisionist history is going to change that.

And what line specifically are you talking about for Dems? What thing have they done that compares to J6?

 

[B4YOU]

I guess it's to be expected how much sniping is going on in a thread about sniping. Some of y'all seem to be holding grudges.

Just like with Uvalde, some local police are incompetent and some are cowards. its nothing new. But yall won't blame the local police for their failure because it sounds like you are being anti police. but its easy to say the Secret Service was at fault because they are Federal Employees, and well, you know, gov't and Biden did it..
The failure in Uvalde is much much worse than this failure, but the right was like, we just have to get over it and get past it.

USSS will get a through investigation and I bet a head will roll. However, I said early that local LEOs are likely the most at fault here since the AGR building is outside the perimeter.

I think the stitched video @SaintForLife posted suggests local LEO were the primary group that dropped the ball. It appears the LEOs had 1:50+ to respond and didn't. I don't see locals LEOs running to the structure.

Locals may have been caught in an ICS coms issue (too many links in the communication chain from random LEO to USSS sniper) and didn't communicate to to USSS when the shooter was on the back-side of the roof. If USSS didn't get communication, then they had 10 seconds to spot and neutralize. Likely less than 10 sec if the shooter was concealing the gun under him while belly crawling on the backside, pulled/sighted in a couple of seconds, and they couldn't take action until they sighted the gun. @Infoman might have more security event coms experience, but I can see a local LEO calling the local site lead or local incident commander who would then reach out to USSS partner, who then push out info to the USSS field team.

I will also say stage design should considered. There is a good chance that 16ft curtains and a podium set-back prevents this based on the angle of atttack.

 

[Krodwhodat]

If you say so.

No it wasn't. This completely understates and micharacterizes what J6 was. And this is why we'll never see eye to eye. That you're trying to equivocate this with protests all over the country for legitimate reasons, says it all. Unacceptable.

Yes it was.

No it wasn't. It should have ended when the crowd started attacking security and breaking sheet. Instead, they made it into the Congressional chambers and offices and cause millions of dollars in damages to what is supposed to be the People's House. Don't come at me with revisionist history.

Again with the revisionist history. People did get arrested, people did go to jail. There no doubt were both leftist and fascist agitators that fanned the flames then. But recall why all of that started. An innocent man was brutally murdered by a cop. Injustice like that cannot and should not go unanswered. This was years and years of buildup to those protests, and not to mention this was when Covid had run roughshod over the country.

I'm an independent. Country over party. But to say the parties are the same right now doesn't sit well with me. Only one party attempted to overthrow the election results, and only one party is backing the horse that wanted to see the election results overthrow because he couldn't admit he lost.

Lol,, you're only telling half the story man. You need to go read up because you're missing a lot of context here.

Those who called for violence were wrong. I get the sentiment, but they were wrong. Violence is very rarely the answer.

I want a sane, reasonable person who treats everyone with respect and fairly.

Ok.

No, you said we need to throw them all out. At least that was implied. Doing that isn't decent.

We can be civil, but I'm not going to be civil about J6. That was essentially a result of Trump hollering that the election was a fraud and that he should be handed the win and made up bogus claims, and for which guys like Rudy are paying the price now, as they should. J6 was a terrible day in history and no revisionist history is going to change that.

And what line specifically are you talking about for Dems? What thing have they done that compares to J6?

Burning down cities and taking over towns is not a protest, that’s revisionist history as well. Thats rioting, looting and stealing and to be clear there is no legitimate reason for it.

We have to agree to disagree, and I think a lot of people see it my way as well because the race is too close and 75m people aren’t Trumpers, they see something in the Democratic Party that scares them more than Trump. Which brings me back to why people should step back and look at their own party, both parties to see what’s so bad that half the country will vote against them.

 

[DaveXA]

I guess it's to be expected how much sniping is going on in a thread about sniping. Some of y'all seem to be holding grudges.



USSS will get a through investigation and I bet a head will roll. However, I said early that local LEOs are likely the most at fault here since the AGR building is outside the perimeter.

I think the stitched video @SaintForLife posted suggests local LEO were the primary group that dropped the ball. It appears the LEOs had 1:50+ to respond and didn't. I don't see locals LEOs running to the structure.

Locals may have been caught in an ICS coms issue (too many links in the communication chain from random LEO to USSS sniper) and didn't communicate to to USSS when the shooter was on the back-side of the roof. If USSS didn't get communication, then they had 10 seconds to spot and neutralize. Likely less than 10 sec if the shooter was concealing the gun under him while belly crawling on the backside, pulled/sighted in a couple of seconds, and they couldn't take action until they sighted the gun. @Infoman might have more security event coms experience, but I can see a local LEO calling the local site lead or local incident commander who would then reach out to USSS partner, who then push out info to the USSS field team.

I will also say stage design should considered. There is a good chance that 16ft curtains and a podium set-back prevents this based on the angle of atttack.

Agreed. I still say they should do all indoors until the inauguration. That would make it a bit easier for the SS to control the environment.

 

[Incumbent]

The entirety of Project 2025, the institution of a Christian government, becoming an actual "dictator", and becoming the next "Hitler" are far-fetched and unlikely.

I mostly agree with your post, with a difference of opinion about the part I've left in quotes.

The "next Hitler" is too bombastic but the rest of it I think is all very concerning. I do want to acknowledge that the Hitler comparisons are mostly drawing parallels to how he rose to power and the way he viewed "others". There's definitely alarming talk coming from MAGA.

Far right groups have been exerting influence on the composition of the judicial branch for years. Our democracy, and all the safeguards we couldn't be blamed for taking for granted, largely held intact by that branch of government, are already being eroded. I don't think we're nearly protected well enough from falling under the rule of a dictator or theocracy, and seeing the full implementation (at least on many of the social issues) of something like Project 2025.

We have always been at the whims and vulnerabilities of the people who occupy the seats of government. The damage that Trump can do to our institutions in a second term shouldn't be underestimated. Infect government with enough of the people determined to bend power towards their extremes and the rest of society, as we've seen throughout history, will soon find themselves powerless to do much.

 

[DaveXA]

Burning down cities and taking over towns is not a protest, that’s revisionist history as well. Thats rioting, looting and stealing and to be clear there is no legitimate reason for it.

Tell me...what city was burned down? Were there places torched? Yes, and guess what, arrests were made of those who did set those place ablaze. But no city was burned down. That's a gross exaggeration. And what city was taken over? I mean there was a 5 city block protest zone in Seattle, that's not even 1% of the size of the city.

And to ignore the long simmering issues between blacks and the police continually victimize them is to put your head in the sand. It doesn't justify the violence, but it does explain how we got there to some degree. There obviously are other factors, but injustice is a big part of it.

We have to agree to disagree, and I think a lot of people see it my way as well because the race is too close and 75m people aren’t Trumpers, they see something in the Democratic Party that scares them more than Trump.

And therin lies the rub. After all of that, you still somehow rationalze and equivocate the behavior of Trump and his minions. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump. He is precisely the reason i refuse to call myself a Republican now. I'm a fiscal conservative, and i don't fit neatly in either party, but I'll call a spade a spade, and i stand by my characterization of Trump and MAGA as dangerous to the country.

Which brings me back to why people should step back and look at their own party, both parties to see what’s so bad that half the country will vote against them.

Your insistence that they're 2 sides of the same coin is terrible. They aren't the same. Not remotely. If we're talking about the parties pre-Trump, I would tend to agree. Since J6, hell no.

 

[SaintForLife]

Yeah it's a mystery

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Burning down cities and taking over towns is not a protest, that’s revisionist history as well. Thats rioting, looting and stealing and to be clear there is no legitimate reason for it.

We have to agree to disagree, and I think a lot of people see it my way as well because the race is too close and 75m people aren’t Trumpers, they see something in the Democratic Party that scares them more than Trump. Which brings me back to why people should step back and look at their own party, both parties to see what’s so bad that half the country will vote against them.

well, to be fair, the mobs who did the burning were wearing masks and hiding their identities. the ones who stormed the capitol did it proudly with their identites out in the open thinking there would be no consequence.. how many people were arrested at the capitol the same time it went down compared to how many were arrested later because their faces were plastered on their own social media bragginh about what they did?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

1 - I think I’m pretty calm and level headed.

2 - Jan 6 was like 300 idiots that would have never overthrown the government.

Talk about being "too far gone".

Yes it was ignorant and really stupid. It was also dealt with very quickly.

Really? Tell that to the Capitol Police and the elected officials that were ushered to shelters.

On the other hand protesters take over neighborhoods and towns, burn down peoples houses and businesses, destroy courthouses and police stations and they allow it to go on for months negotiating with them and nobody goes to jail? Is that ok with you?

Very typical partisan response to these very different events. No doubt you are referring to the many protest that broke out after the George Floyd murder and those protest were born out of a lifetime of injustices that many felt was a regular occurrence, perceived or otherwise.

Would you support that party to run the country? Oh and the you can’t compare? Ask the people who lost everything what event bothered them more. Why weren’t police called in and everyone involved arrested and charged. Why when the Dem politicians called for violence and called it a necessity not dealt with? Is that who you want running your country?

When or if courthouses and police stations were "destroyed", arrest were made and warranted, those that committed criminal acts were prosecuted. No elected Democrat ever condoned violent actions during protest or called for them. Republican elected officials cannot say the same, they have pardoned individuals for committing premeditated actions, routinely champion the use of violence and call for the pardon of J6 criminals patriots.

There are also things dems do thst are my line and will never get my vote.

Republicans have zero integrity and that is why they will never get my vote.

1. Their #1 issue to rile up their base is immigration and yet each and every attempt to pass congressional action to address that issue is thwarted by Republicans, even when it is a Rep plan.

2. They claim that they are fighting for election integrity when in reality they are practicing voter suppression. They routinely close voting stations in high density voting locations to create extended voting queues with the hope that people will not show up to vote.

3. They have demonized the opposition to the point that their base no longer see Democrats as Americans.

4. Law and Order only apply to the "others".

etc...etc.

You mention how you see J6 differently, but you don't address the root cause of that event was based off of a known LIE parroted by Republicans. Would you support a party that would LIE to its constituents in order to overturn an election?

 

[Incumbent]

We can be civil, but I'm not going to be civil about J6. That was essentially a result of Trump hollering that the election was a fraud and that he should be handed the win and made up bogus claims, and for which guys like Rudy are paying the price now, as they should. J6 was a terrible day in history and no revisionist history is going to change that.

And what line specifically are you talking about for Dems? What thing have they done that compares to J6?

Agreed.

There is a pervasive misunderstanding of what J6 was.

Most of the people there were patsies goaded on by Trump. They were needed there to provide a chaotic and confusing scene, so that a much smaller group of people, affiliated with organizations like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, could carry out the mission of preventing certification. All the evidence, including charges and convictions, is there to come to that conclusion.

By design, it was a mission wrapped in a protest turned riot.

 

[J-DONK]

Says the guy who demands apologies while not realizing he was wrong.

I see the left's main focus after Trump almost got assassinated is to make sure everyone knows it was Republican like that somehow puts the blame on Trump for his own assassination.

What are you talking about?

Your last post is blaming Democrats. You continue to blame rhetoric for a Republican, on Republican crime.

It's simple. You blame Democrats, and we rightfully point out this is a intra-party conflict, leave us out of it.

Also, I can at least admit when I was wrong. You can't do that.

 

[SystemShock]

Wouldn't this fall under patient/doctor privilege ? If so, the media doesn't have a right to know

But Trump is a public figure, running for public office. They would at least mention where they took him.

 

[Heathen]

Burning down cities and taking over towns is not a protest, that’s revisionist history as well. Thats rioting, looting and stealing and to be clear there is no legitimate reason for it.

I’d be willing to bet that most people “burning down cities” don’t give a flying f*ck about the Democrats.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Agreed.

There is a pervasive misunderstanding of what J6 was.

Most of the people there were patsies goaded on by Trump. They were needed there to provide a chaotic and confusing scene, so that a much smaller group of people, affiliated with organizations like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, could carry out the mission of preventing certification. All the evidence, including charges and convictions, is there to come to that conclusion.

By design, it was a mission wrapped in a protest turned riot.

And part of the mission was to capture members of Congress if possible. They would have thrown any Congresspersons they got their hands on to the rabid mob.