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    Infoman said:
    Who knows what his medical diagnosis is, or what decisions he actually makes (or who makes them for him)? No one does because been most invisible and least transparent person in public service I can remember...

    What I do know is that his own DOJ found him unfit to stand trial for all the reasons that rang true to the rest of the US after it showed up on national TV for the country to see first hand..

    Feb 2024

    We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

    He's not fit right now... and He's not fit going forward... everyone knows that.... but power and money are gonna power and money.
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    That's not what it says.

    "would likely present himself" is a perception.
     
    Infoman said:
    Who knows what his medical diagnosis is, or what decisions he actually makes (or who makes them for him)? No one does because been most invisible and least transparent person in public service I can remember...

    What I do know is that his own DOJ found him unfit to stand trial for all the reasons that rang true to the rest of the US after it showed up on national TV for the country to see first hand..

    Feb 2024

    We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

    He's not fit right now... and He's not fit going forward... everyone knows that.... but power and money are gonna power and money.
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    Least transparent, my rear end. Trump literally won’t show his taxes and it took the courts to intervene to even see them. His medical reports are basically he is healthy and will live forever. Your hypocrisy is ridiculous.
     
    Infoman said:
    Who knows what his medical diagnosis is, or what decisions he actually makes (or who makes them for him)? No one does because been most invisible and least transparent person in public service I can remember...

    What I do know is that his own DOJ found him unfit to stand trial for all the reasons that rang true to the rest of the US after it showed up on national TV for the country to see first hand..

    Feb 2024

    We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

    He's not fit right now... and He's not fit going forward... everyone knows that.... but power and money are gonna power and money.
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    The underlined portions don’t make him unfit.

    Those are justification for not proceeding with a case that they likely can’t prove. Most former presidents are sympathetic. I can think of one that isn’t.
     
    DaveXA said:
    Why are we arguing about a guy who has already dropped out? We should be arguing about the guy still in the race.
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    My bad... Agreed I am out of the convo... I've made my sane version of the case... it's just an off topic excuse parade now. All the candidates are unfit in my view.... for various reasons... at least I admit what's plain to see. Out...
     
    Infoman said:
    Who knows what his medical diagnosis is, or what decisions he actually makes (or who makes them for him)? No one does because been most invisible and least transparent person in public service I can remember...

    What I do know is that his own DOJ found him unfit to stand trial for all the reasons that rang true to the rest of the US after it showed up on national TV for the country to see first hand..
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    Your lack of tegridy is showing! POTUS's med records are available for you to examine. The DOJ did not find him "unfit" to stand trial, Hurr did not find him "unfit" to stand trial and to to say otherwise is just a LIE.
     
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    SaintForLife said:
    Do you think Biden is fine mentally and cognitively?
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    No, it's been obvious for a while that he's diminished. I tend to think old man problems rather than any particular illness, but still... .. from every angle, this ain't worth rehashing again though..
     
    www.vox.com

    Robert Hur’s report exaggerated Biden’s memory issues

    The ex-special counsel testified Tuesday, but a transcript of his interview with the president undercut his claims.
    www.vox.com www.vox.com

    Hur’s claim that Biden had demonstrated some sort of general “poor memory” hangs almost entirely on mix-ups by Biden about in what specific year several years-old events occurred. The transcript makes clear Biden remembers all those events. But it seems Biden just doesn’t pay a lot of attention to which specific year stuff happened in.
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    During more than five hours of interviews over two days last October, President Biden cracked jokes, went into great detail about the design of his Wilmington home and spoke with confidence about world events from more than a decade ago. At times, he was defiant.
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    Yeah, about his memory...
     
    bdb13 said:
    No, it's been obvious for a while that he's diminished. I tend to think old man problems rather than any particular illness, but still... .. from every angle, this ain't worth rehashing again though..
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    It sounds like Sharon does or she's just trying to cover for Biden.
     
    Back to the subject of the thread. Just reading through, one thing worth mentioning, fwiw: I do not know one professional historian who believes any silly conspiracy theories regarding the assassination of President Kennedy.

    There are a few scholars who still have questions, but I do not know any professional researchers who put any stock in the fever-dream nonsense that conspiracy theories peddle. Now, if more information and sources are released that changes the narrative drastically, okay but most of the crap peddled about the "physics" being impossible is just not true and been proven to be nonsense.

    I'll add to what I posted below some time back: conspiracy theories often are framed through (allegedly) endless questions about missing or unknown information, or just circumstantial evidence.

    Conspiracy theorists will often discredit accepted explanation of things without providing hard, real evidence for their conspiracies. It's really about discrediting or dismantling what is known for pushing some other theory or explanation that in of itself is not provable.

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    Conspiracy theories serve several functions. One, it's for the intellectually lazy who do not want to examine any topic and really think about all the complexities, nuances, and sources. It's exactly why so many conspiracy theories completely ignore content or sources which directly conflict with what their current conspiracy de jour is. Notice, too that those who peddle conspiracy theories will contradict their claims as one conspiracy theory will operate with a whole new set of assumptions, questions, and conclusions--and here's the key--without. any. hard. evidence.

    The conspiracy also allows those who peddle political ideologies and agendas to create over-powerful "enemies" which feed into xenophobia, racism, and especially antisemitism. And I'm not just including right-wing conspiracy theories. People of all radical political ideologies and partisans have advanced all kinds of conspiracy theories.

    Those who believe conspiracy theories can shape their world view by immediately dismissing any sources or evidence by simply accusing them of being "corrupt" or being part of some larger cabal, e.g. the "corporate media." By the same token, to support their conspiracy theories, they'll turn right around and cite or point to the sources in another context they immediately dismissed or rejected.

    Bottom line: conspiracy theories feed confirmation bias and prevent people from actually engaging in examining evidence, logic, reason and actually undermine the pursuit of truth rather than find it.
     
    MT15 said:
    If it was a bullet fragment that’s fine, but just tell the truth. We have had a gazillion people saying the bullet came within a fraction of an inch of his head and that “God” saved him and he is out there saying he took a bullet for democracy. I just want him, for once, to tell the truth. Don’t lie for political gain.
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    We don’t know if it was a bullet or a piece of a bullet. We know it was not a piece of glass from one of the undamaged teleprompters which is the lie you were pushing. Was the picture with the bullet fake? If that wasn’t fake we know a bullet went right by his head.
     
    Greg said:
    We don’t know if it was a bullet or a piece of a bullet. We know it was not a piece of glass from one of the undamaged teleprompters which is the lie you were pushing. Was the picture with the bullet fake? If that wasn’t fake we know a bullet went right by his head.
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    it could very well have not even hit, but if passed close enough, the air displacement from a projectile traveling at 2000ft/sec could have easily damaged the ear since its just soft tissue/cartilage.

    who cares at this point?

    For those that DO care, simple fix...dr and Trump could release photos and conclusion about injury. Then everyone could "move on"
     

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