As a politician how can I be okay with helping bad victims and not just good victims? (2 Viewers)

[NightHawkBuzz]

I want to become a politician and I know I have to serve everyone. However I am having an issue doing that and I was wondering how I can fix that.

A bad victim to me would be someone that intentionally mistreats others with there words and verbally abuses them or physically abuses them. Also, a bad victim to me would be someone who was going to become a bad person. Someone who was going to grow up to be a bad person in life.

How can I help these controlling jealous boyfriends and verbally abusive people as well as criminals when they become the victims of crimes just like other good victims?

Also, a jealous boyfriend who displays jealous, controlling, psycho behaviors when he is at the bar with his girlfriend. Like if any guy even gets near her or he sees her talking to them he gets very controlling and confrontational. This guy actually comes close to or is ready to fight with people who get near his girlfriend or talk to her. This guy is starting a fight or is willing to start one because he is controlling over his girlfriend.

I have personally met a couple of bad men like this in bars who have tried to or were looking to start fights with me over their girlfriends. Also, verbally abusive people at the bad high school I went to. I would consider these people as bad victims for sure and I wouldn’t feel as successful helping them.

Now if these jealous boyfriends who start fights with men at the bar and these verbally abusive people were in a different situation and became the victims of a major crime like a mass shooting, terrorist attack, etc. How am I suppose to help these people successfully like I would other good victims?

Even though they didn’t deserve to have what happened to them I still would consider them bad victims because of their past behavior. I wouldn’t feel successful helping them as I would people that were actually good victims.

Also, bad victims would also be murders, rapist, robbers and terrorist to me as well. I wouldn’t feel as successful helping these people as good victims to.

How can I help these controlling jealous boyfriends and verbally abusive people as well as criminals when they become the victims of crimes just like other good victims?

 

[SystemShock]

You won't be the one to get elected. Whatever I'm done talking to you I don't need your negativity. Get out of here.

There used to be a time when politicians needed thick skin, but Trump broke that trend, so maybe you are good there... but one thing is clear to me, that you have problems delivering your message. Maybe you should go with the usual GOP tropes...

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

I think a really good starting point with this is that crimes are violations of the social code (reflected through the criminal statutory law), and they are prosecuted by the state for the whole of society. Yes crimes have victims and their interest in justice is important but it isn’t the primary driver (for example, consider that victim consent is not required for a prosecution).

I’m also a bit confused by your angle on all of this - can you explain why you think this issue of “good victims” versus “bad victims” directly relates to your objective of being a “politician”. Are you talking about lawmaking? What kind of politician?

So are you saying that crimes that happen are a violation of what is acceptable in society and they are prosecuted to protect everyone as a whole not just the victims of the crime? You said "crimes have victims and their interest in justice is important but it isn't the primary driver". Well what is the primary driver?

This issue directly relates to me being a politician because lets say a criminal could face the death penalty for a crime and not a life sentence. If I could advocate or ask the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty or change laws that will would allow more death sentences to happen. I am worried about sometimes the victims of the crime being bad people so my energy and attention went to the wrong people.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[LA - L.A.]

If I could advocate or ask the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty...

That's not the role of a politician. A politician can do that, but they wouldn't be doing it in their role as a politician.

...or change laws that will would allow more death sentences to happen.

Why is the only issue you are fixated on as a budding politician is putting more people to death? You can't kill your way to a better world.

I am worried about sometimes the victims of the crime being bad people so my energy and attention went to the wrong people.

This is a depraved mindset and we already have too much of this mindset in current politics.

 

[SystemShock]

So are you saying that crimes that happen are a violation of what is acceptable in society and they are prosecuted to protect everyone as a whole not just the victims of the crime? You said "crimes have victims and their interest in justice is important but it isn't the primary driver". Well what is the primary driver?

This issue directly relates to me being a politician because lets say a criminal could face the death penalty for a crime and not a life sentence. If I could advocate or ask the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty or change laws that will would allow more death sentences to happen. I am worried about sometimes the victims of the crime being bad people so my energy and attention went to the wrong people.

So, you'd execute Bob for killing Ted, unless Ted yelled at his girlfriend at a bar, then you'd let Bob slide.
You'll give Boebert a run for her money,

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

I think a really good starting point with this is that crimes are violations of the social code (reflected through the criminal statutory law), and they are prosecuted by the state for the whole of society. Yes crimes have victims and their interest in justice is important but it isn’t the primary driver (for example, consider that victim consent is not required for a prosecution).

I’m also a bit confused by your angle on all of this - can you explain why you think this issue of “good victims” versus “bad victims” directly relates to your objective of being a “politician”. Are you talking about lawmaking? What kind of politician?

did you see my response to this comment yet?

 

[superchuck500]

So are you saying that crimes that happen are a violation of what is acceptable in society and they are prosecuted to protect everyone as a whole not just the victims of the crime? You said "crimes have victims and their interest in justice is important but it isn't the primary driver". Well what is the primary driver?

This issue directly relates to me being a politician because lets say a criminal could face the death penalty for a crime and not a life sentence. If I could advocate or ask the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty or change laws that will would allow more death sentences to happen. I am worried about sometimes the victims of the crime being bad people so my energy and attention went to the wrong people.

The primary driver in a criminal prosecution is the state prosecuting the defendant for the elements of the criminal statute - which are passed for the protection of all of society or classes of people within society. The victim simply amounts to one or more of those elements, but the victim does not generally have a say in the prosecution or how it is conducted. The victim typically receives nothing from the defendant and while yes, it is "justice" for the victim and victim testimony can be important in sentencing, the sentence is served under the auspices of the state for violation of the criminal statute.

As a "politician", you would have no ability to influence a particular defendant's guilt or sentence - that is for the jury and the court system. You could seek to change laws about sentencing (e.g. death penalty, but changes in criminal law are not retroactive, you couldn't change laws applicable to a crime that has already been committed. So you would have to think about future crime, where the victim is unknown.

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

The primary driver in a criminal prosecution is the state prosecuting the defendant for the elements of the criminal statute - which are passed for the protection of all of society or classes of people within society. The victim simply amounts to one or more of those elements, but the victim does not generally have a say in the prosecution or how it is conducted. The victim typically receives nothing from the defendant and while yes, it is "justice" for the victim and victim testimony can be important in sentencing, the sentence is served under the auspices of the state for violation of the criminal statute.

As a "politician", you would have no ability to influence a particular defendant's guilt or sentence - that is for the jury and the court system. You could seek to change laws about sentencing (e.g. death penalty, but changes in criminal law are not retroactive, you couldn't change laws applicable to a crime that has already been committed. So you would have to think about future crime, where the victim is unknown.

So are you saying when a criminal prosecution prosecutes a defendant that are doing it for the protection of all of society and that getting justice for the victim is just one of those elements? Are you saying that the sentence is based on violation of the criminal statute of law not getting justice for the victims?

So where does the death penalty come into affect then. Are you saying that when the death penalty is used it is more about the violation of the criminal statute and the victim is just one element of that?

 

[MT15]

So are you saying when a criminal prosecution prosecutes a defendant that are doing it for the protection of all of society and that getting justice for the victim is just one of those elements? Are you saying that the sentence is based on violation of the criminal statute of law not getting justice for the victims?

So where does the death penalty come into affect then. Are you saying that when the death penalty is used it is more about the violation of the criminal statute and the victim is just one element of that?

If you don’t mind a question, where did you grow up? I know you live in Chicago now, but where were you raised? Under what system of government?

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

If you don’t mind a question, where did you grow up? I know you live in Chicago now, but where were you raised? Under what system of government?

I grew up in Chicago as well. I think what really made me feel this way though is that growing up I went to high school and college in very different environments.

The high school I went to was in a bad neighborhood and most of the kids that went to the school came from bad neighborhoods. A lot of the kids there were extremely disrespectful, rude and ghetto. They behaved in an extremely crazy way.

Then I went to college in Chicago still but in a different area of the city and the students acted completely different. They were much more civil and well behaved.

I know the law protects everyone and I agree with that. I guess for me personally I wanted to go into politics trying to help people that I feel deserve protection because I have grown up seeing how different human beings can behave and act because I have came from completely different environments.

I necessary wasn't trying to go into it to protect people who act crazy and awful.

 

[superchuck500]

So are you saying when a criminal prosecution prosecutes a defendant that are doing it for the protection of all of society and that getting justice for the victim is just one of those elements? Are you saying that the sentence is based on violation of the criminal statute of law not getting justice for the victims?

So where does the death penalty come into affect then. Are you saying that when the death penalty is used it is more about the violation of the criminal statute and the victim is just one element of that?

Yes, basically. As a matter of the American criminal law system, those statements are basically correct.

 

[superchuck500]

I know the law protects everyone and I agree with that. I guess for me personally I wanted to go into politics trying to help people that I feel deserve protection because I have grown up seeing how different human beings can behave and act because I have came from completely different environments.

I don’t think much of what “politicians” do relates to affecting change in criminal law - sure lawmaking is what gives us the criminal codes but they don’t get changed that frequently. If you believe in helping people as a political leader, there are other more direct ways such as funding decisions (funding programs that help people), regulatory/administrative matters (using government infrastructure to help people), and investigations of activities that may be harming communities and using those records to affect change.

 

[coldseat]

I grew up in Chicago as well. I think what really made me feel this way though is that growing up I went to high school and college in very different environments.

The high school I went to was in a bad neighborhood and most of the kids that went to the school came from bad neighborhoods. A lot of the kids there were extremely disrespectful, rude, ghetto and animalistic. They behaved in an extremely crazy and animalistic way.

Then I went to college in Chicago still but in a different area of the city and the students acted completely different. They were much more civil and well behaved.

I know the law protects everyone and I agree with that. I guess for me personally I wanted to go into politics trying to help people that I feel deserve protection because I have grown up seeing how different human beings can behave and act because I have came from completely different environments.

I necessary wasn't trying to go into it to protect people who act crazy and animalistic.

This isn't a real person. This response is full of racist dog whistles.

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

This isn't a real person. This response is full of racist dog whistles.

Whatever you don't know my story or my experience growing up.

You never had my experience growing up you never had to deal with things I had.

You have no idea what I have been through in life.

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

I don’t think much of what “politicians” do relates to affecting change in criminal law - sure lawmaking is what gives us the criminal codes but they don’t get changed that frequently. If you believe in helping people as a political leader, there are other more direct ways such as funding decisions (funding programs that help people), regulatory/administrative matters (using government infrastructure to help people), and investigations of activities that may be harming communities and using those records to affect change.

I am saying politicians can help in criminal law by advocating for the death penalty but I am having a hard time trusting my judgement for the death penalty.

 

[coldseat]

Whatever you don't know my story or my experience growing up.

You never had my experience growing up you never had to deal with things I had.

You have no idea what I have been through in life.

Why did you need to say the same thing 3 times? Lol

Ridiculous

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

Why did you need to say the same thing 3 times? Lol

Ridiculous

Because you are sitting over here judging my response saying I am not a real person when I am.

Unless you have had my experiences in life you have no right to judge me like that honestly.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I am saying politicians can help in criminal law by advocating for the death penalty but I am having a hard time trusting my judgement for the death penalty.

So, your main aspiration for becoming a politician is to advocate for the death penalty? I always believed politicians were public servants of the people and their goals were to improve the lives of their constituents. That's including those "rude, ghetto and animalistic" CITIZENS!

I suggest you seek higher learning, maybe a semester or 2 of political science before seeking public service. Hell, just Google political science/public servant and you may learn that you have a greater responsibility to make those "rude, ghetto and animalistic" people into productive citizens instead of finding new ways to eradicate them from society.