As a politician how can I be okay with helping bad victims and not just good victims? (2 Viewers)

[NightHawkBuzz]

I want to become a politician and I know I have to serve everyone. However I am having an issue doing that and I was wondering how I can fix that.

A bad victim to me would be someone that intentionally mistreats others with there words and verbally abuses them or physically abuses them. Also, a bad victim to me would be someone who was going to become a bad person. Someone who was going to grow up to be a bad person in life.

How can I help these controlling jealous boyfriends and verbally abusive people as well as criminals when they become the victims of crimes just like other good victims?

Also, a jealous boyfriend who displays jealous, controlling, psycho behaviors when he is at the bar with his girlfriend. Like if any guy even gets near her or he sees her talking to them he gets very controlling and confrontational. This guy actually comes close to or is ready to fight with people who get near his girlfriend or talk to her. This guy is starting a fight or is willing to start one because he is controlling over his girlfriend.

I have personally met a couple of bad men like this in bars who have tried to or were looking to start fights with me over their girlfriends. Also, verbally abusive people at the bad high school I went to. I would consider these people as bad victims for sure and I wouldn’t feel as successful helping them.

Now if these jealous boyfriends who start fights with men at the bar and these verbally abusive people were in a different situation and became the victims of a major crime like a mass shooting, terrorist attack, etc. How am I suppose to help these people successfully like I would other good victims?

Even though they didn’t deserve to have what happened to them I still would consider them bad victims because of their past behavior. I wouldn’t feel successful helping them as I would people that were actually good victims.

Also, bad victims would also be murders, rapist, robbers and terrorist to me as well. I wouldn’t feel as successful helping these people as good victims to.

How can I help these controlling jealous boyfriends and verbally abusive people as well as criminals when they become the victims of crimes just like other good victims?

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

no solution needed- you will not get elected. Problem solved. You can go back to watching guys at bars w/ their girlfriend ( nttawt )

You won't be the one to get elected. Whatever I'm done talking to you I don't need your negativity. Get out of here.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

No actual Chicago. What about the answer to my question though. What do you think the solution should be.

People gave you genuine answers and you refused to acknowledge them. For someone who wants to be a politician, you seem to lack the ability to perform a key aspect of the job- listening to people.

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

People gave you genuine answers and you refused to acknowledge them. For someone who wants to be a politician, you seem to lack the ability to perform a key aspect of the job- listening to people.

Yeah because there solutions are all negative. I AM going into politics so I don't need people to keep giving me the solution to NOT go into it. That's not what I am going to do.

 

[efil4]

You won't be the one to get elected. Whatever I'm done talking to you I don't need your negativity. Get out of here.

no you.

I was here first.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yeah because there solutions are all negative. I AM going into politics so I don't need people to keep giving me the solution to NOT go into it. That's not what I am going to do.

Before that. You are still ignoring it.

 

[coldseat]

Yeah because there solutions are all negative. I AM going into politics so I don't need people to keep giving me the solution to NOT go into it. That's not what I am going to do.

The solution is to treat victims, both good and bad, the same way.

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

Yes, you mention a jealous boyfriend and other generic "bad guys". That's not really telling me much or even in what context you think that you will need to help these people as a politician.

In the context of large killings such as mass shootings or terriost attacks or even mass murders. These are the context that I would have to help people who fall into this category.

The thing is while I do fully believe that these criminals should get the proper punishment for their crime if that is the death penalty, then I want to advocate for the victims and make sure that they receive proper justice.

It is only however when I feel like some of the victims in these situations are bad and by bad I mean what I described in my post. Then I start to doubt my judgement and feel like some of the people I am advocating for to receive full justice weren't good people and that my passion and effort are going to the wrong people.

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

You're describing the job of a judge, jury or lawyer, not a politician. The advocate part would be part of a lawyers responsibilities. Deciding whether somebody gets the death penalty or not in a capitol punishment case is the job of a jury/judge. As a politician you'd either be part of the executive or legislative branches of government, not the judicial branch.

Politicans do have a part in this though. Ron Desantis adovcated that the death penalty laws be changed after the parkland shooter didn't receive a death sentence and he played a part in changing the laws. Joe Biden asked the supreme court that the death penalty be reinstated for the Boston Bomber. Trump asked the supreme court to move forward with five executions before he left office.

So yes they actually have a part in carrying this out. Whether by playing a part in changing laws, asking the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty or by asking the supreme court to carry out the executions.

 

[Optimus Prime]

In the context of large killings such as mass shootings or terriost attacks or even mass murders. These are the context that I would have to help people who fall into this category.

Help them what?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking

 

[superchuck500]

In the context of large killings such as mass shootings or terriost attacks or even mass murders. These are the context that I would have to help people who fall into this category.

The thing is while I do fully believe that these criminals should get the proper punishment for their crime if that is the death penalty, then I want to advocate for the victims and make sure that they receive proper justice.

It is only however when I feel like some of the victims in these situations are bad and by bad I mean what I described in my post. Then I start to doubt my judgement and feel like some of the people I am advocating for to receive full justice weren't good people and that my passion and effort are going to the wrong people.

I think a really good starting point with this is that crimes are violations of the social code (reflected through the criminal statutory law), and they are prosecuted by the state for the whole of society. Yes crimes have victims and their interest in justice is important but it isn’t the primary driver (for example, consider that victim consent is not required for a prosecution).

I’m also a bit confused by your angle on all of this - can you explain why you think this issue of “good victims” versus “bad victims” directly relates to your objective of being a “politician”. Are you talking about lawmaking? What kind of politician?

 

[coldseat]

Politicans do have a part in this though. Ron Desantis adovcated that the death penalty laws be changed after the parkland shooter didn't receive a death sentence and he played a part in changing the laws. Joe Biden asked the supreme court that the death penalty be reinstated for the Boston Bomber. Trump asked the supreme court to move forward with five executions before he left office.

So yes they actually have a part in carrying this out. Whether by playing a part in changing laws, asking the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty or by asking the supreme court to carry out the executions.

None of those situations you mention above have to do with the "bad victim" you're so concerned about representing or helping. All of those have to do with punishing the perpetrators of crimes.

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

None of those situations you mention above have to do with the "bad victim" you're so concerned about representing or helping. All of those have to do with punishing the perpetrators of crimes.

Yeah but don't you get what I am saying I am worried that within those victims some of them or even one might be the bad victim you have described like the abuser or another bad victim. So within those crimes I am worried some of them or even one might be what I have been describing so I can't fully trust my judgement.

 

[coldseat]

Yeah but don't you get what I am saying I am worried that within those victims some of them or even one might be the bad victim you have described like the abuser or another bad victim. So within those crimes I am worried some of them or even one might be what I have been describing so I can't fully trust my judgement.

I really don't understand what you're getting at. You're not making any sense.

What do you see as the possible solutions to the problem you're so worried about encountering?

 

[NightHawkBuzz]

I really don't understand what you're getting at. You're not making any sense.

What do you see as the possible solutions to the problem you're so worried about encountering?

What I am saying is that in all of these situations I have talked about there could potentially be bad victims in them like an abuser or all of the other bad people I have mentioned in my original post.

Since I am worried there might be bad victims in these situations it is hard for me to fully advocate for all the victims to get the proper justice they would deserve which would be the death penalty and not life in prison for the criminal. Basically I can't trust my judgement of giving a criminal the death penalty in these situations I described because their might be bad victims as well.

The possible solutions would just be to serve all victims good or bad and trust my judgement in these situations.

 

[coldseat]

What I am saying is that in all of these situations I have talked about there could potentially be bad victims in them like an abuser or all of the other bad people I have mentioned in my original post.

Since I am worried there might be bad victims in these situations it is hard for me to fully advocate for all the victims to get the proper justice they would deserve which would be the death penalty and not life in prison for the criminal. Basically I can't trust my judgement of giving a criminal the death penalty in these situations I described because their might be bad victims as well.

The possible solutions would just be to serve all victims good or bad and trust my judgement in these situations.

Sounds like you figured it out. Good luck.

 

[LA - L.A.]

This is a weird thread

I'm not joking, mocking or judging. The OP of this thread is either someone using this thread to test an AI they are developing or, less likely, the OP of this thread is an AI that escaped digital confinement. The latter is a real thing and will inevitably happen if it hasn't already.

 

[LA - L.A.]

No actual Chicago.

Is that were your bjorn or does your move their to ran for official.

 

[coldseat]

I'm not joking, mocking or judging. The OP of this thread is either someone using this thread to test an AI they are developing or, less likely, the OP of this thread is an AI that escaped digital confinement. The latter is a real thing and will inevitably happen if it hasn't already.

I'm pretty sure we've had Russian troll farm posters on this board before, maybe even currently. I wouldn't be surprised that they're testing an AI to spam and engage on political messaging boards. Especially ones that lean more liberal, like this one.