All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I hear you, but in 1920 America was 90% white. Sure, they didn't get that well either. We evolved in tribes.

So all white people are the same regardless of cultural origin, religion, economic status or region? Are you saying in 1920 a white person from The Upper West Side of New York was culturally identical to a white person from Appalachia?

(I may not be understanding your point after reading your post again, but I’ll leave this up regardless).

 

[Paul]

So all white people are the same regardless of cultural origin, religion, economic status or region? Are you saying in 1920 a white person from The Upper West Side of New York was culturally identical to a white personality from Appalachia?

(I may not be understanding your point after reading your post again, but I’ll leave this up regardless).

Straw man.
I said they did not get along that well and that we evolved in tribes.

 

[MT15]

I hear you, but in 1920 America was 90% white. Sure, they didn't get that well either. We evolved in tribes.

That may be the overall percent, but there were several southern states with over 50% black populations, I believe.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Straw man.
I said they did get along that well and that we evolved in tribes.

I’m not sure how you can call it a straw man when I conceded I may not have understood your point. I mean, I know you love the phrase, but it really doesn’t apply when someone directly says maybe they aren’t understanding you.

So forgetting conversation diverting catch phrases for a moment, can you tell us when in the history of this nation there was a common culture?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

In this post there is a confusion regarding politeness and respect. Politeness is given to all. Respect is earned.

The best way to end racism is to change a negative stereotype into a positive stereotype. This was accomplished by Jackie Robinson.

If it was already accomplished by Jackie Robinson, why hasn't racism ended...?

Unless you mean if only ends for the person who changed the negative stereotype, which Jackie did his entire life- long before he broke the MLB color barrier. Yet that wasn't enough to end the racism aimed at him...

Unless you meant it only ends for the person who changed the negative stereotype and only in the minds of those people in whose minds the stereotype was changed...

Your hypothesis is either demonstrably wrong or laughably ridiculous in how much burden is placed on the victims of racism and negative stereotypes.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is a colonial inheritance. The colonized kept some of the old traditions and this is not surprising.
The work to live mindset rather than the live to work of other nations.
A touch of the Ugly American when abroad.
Baseball, apple pie, hot dogs.
Not as warm as us from Latin America.
Small town community
Farming
Work ethic

I would say it is based on Western values and is very much like Canadian or Australian culture. This is not surprising as 90% of the population in 1920 was of European origin. Today that number has gone down to 60% and we see a marked African and Hispanic influence in music, art, language, sports, celebrities, media, etc. However, this segment of the cultural is under the umbrella of the greater Western culture. Sadly, no one pays much attention to the Native Americans because they are a tiny number and live apart. Asian Americans are nowhere to be seen culturally as they americanize and intermarry. They climb the economic ladder with ease, but they are not that interested in the spread of Asian culture. Perhaps because there are so many different ones.

Is Latin America a single, homogenous culture?

 

[bdb13]

I’m not sure how you can call it a straw man when I conceded I may not have understood your point. I mean, I know you love the phrase, but it really doesn’t apply when someone directly says maybe they aren’t understanding you.

So forgetting conversation diverting catch phrases for a moment, can you tell us when in the history of this nation there was a common culture?

Somewhere between 1864 and the present there must've been a sweet spot lol..

 

[Paul]

I’m not sure how you can call it a straw man when I conceded I may not have understood your point. I mean, I know you love the phrase, but it really doesn’t apply when someone directly says maybe they aren’t understanding you.

So forgetting conversation diverting catch phrases for a moment, can you tell us when in the history of this nation there was a common culture?

It was never like Japan or European nations. However, there was such a thing as American ethos. However, you have a point, the USA is not like other nations of mixed heritage. If you go to Colombia you see indigenous people, blacks, people of Spanish ancestry, and multiple combinations with exactly the same cultural values. They defined themselves as Colombians and have the same accent and mannerisms. You do not see that in America. We have subcultures that were never fully integrated.

 

[Paul]

If it was already accomplished by Jackie Robinson, why hasn't racism ended...?

Jackie Robinson opened the door for athletes of color by projecting a positive stereotype. The NBA is 90% black so I would say there is no racism in sports.

Unless you mean if only ends for the person who changed the negative stereotype, which Jackie did his entire life- long before he broke the MLB color barrier. Yet that wasn't enough to end the racism aimed at him...

Many who hated JR ended up loving him.

Unless you meant it only ends for the person who changed the negative stereotype and only in the minds of those people in whose minds the stereotype was changed...

A negative stereotype is probably the biggest cause of racism. There is more to racism than just skin color.

Your hypothesis is either demonstrably wrong or laughably ridiculous in how much burden is placed on the victims of racism and negative stereotypes.

It would be nice to change a negative stereotype into a positive stereotype. This applies to all groups including the whites.

 

[Paul]

Is Latin America a single, homogenous culture?

Every Latin nation has a different culture, however we have a common language that was inherited from the mother country. In some Latin American nations the indigenous still speak the native tongue and that makes the culture less homogeneous.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Jackie Robinson opened the door for athletes of color by projecting a positive stereotype. The NBA is 90% black so I would say there is no racism in sports.

Many who hated JR ended up loving him.

A negative stereotype is probably the biggest cause of racism. There is more to racism than just skin color.

It would be nice to change a negative stereotype into a positive stereotype. This applies to all groups including the whites.

None of this addresses anything I said. You said:

"The best way to end racism is to change a negative stereotype into a positive stereotype. This was accomplished by Jackie Robinson."

Jackie didn't end racism, so your claim is bullshirt. He also defied those stereotypes by going to college and excelling in sports, then becoming an officer in the army after he was drafted. None of that stopped people from being racist to him directly.

You are putting the onus on the people experiencing racism and negative stereotypes. In addition, you are insinuating that those victims of racism just aren't trying hard enough.

 

[DaveXA]

That may be the overall percent, but there were several southern states with over 50% black populations, I believe.

I don't think any US states approach 50% black population. Certainly some cities/towns, but I don't think any state has come close to a majority black population.

 

[V Chip]

I hear you, but in 1920 America was 90% white. Sure, they didn't get that well either. We evolved in tribes.

It’s almost as if white people are being replaced… that’s an interesting theory.

 

[V Chip]

The majority of hate crimes against Asians are perpetrated by POC.

Nah, man.

74.5% of anti-Asian hate crimes are perpetrated by whites.

Hate Crimes against Asian Americans

Using 1992–2014 data from the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS), the present study examines the nature and characteristics of hate crimes against Asian Americans by comparing them with those of hate crimes against African Americans ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[SystemShock]

It was never like Japan or European nations. However, there was such a thing as American ethos. However, you have a point, the USA is not like other nations of mixed heritage. If you go to Colombia you see indigenous people, blacks, people of Spanish ancestry, and multiple combinations with exactly the same cultural values. They defined themselves as Colombians and have the same accent and mannerisms. You do not see that in America. We have subcultures that were never fully integrated.

Ever been to Mexico? Brazil? Bolivia? Peru?

 

[SystemShock]

But you still didn't answer the question. are you Latino, or just born in Latin america. because there is a difference.
For example, if two people from Portugal live in Brazil their whole lives and become citizens, and have a child, that doesn't really make the child latino.

Latin America is simply America minus the U.S. and Canada; places where a Romance language is spoken. That is what Napoleon III defined.

 

[Paul]

Ever been to Mexico? Brazil? Bolivia? Peru?

No.
Please tell about it.

I am certain these nations are divided by class and to a lesser extent ethnicity, however, I bet they embrace their nationality. I could be wrong. I have known a Peruvian of Spanish heritage that disliked the indigenous. Racism is everywhere.

 

[Paul]

Nah, man.

74.5% of anti-Asian hate crimes are perpetrated by whites.

Hate Crimes against Asian Americans

Using 1992–2014 data from the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS), the present study examines the nature and characteristics of hate crimes against Asian Americans by comparing them with those of hate crimes against African Americans ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

OK, maybe I am wrong. So POC is responsible for 25.5%?