All things Racist...USA edition (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Optimus Prime]

In my hippie liberal undergrad English licensure class, we read this book and discussed various methods for approaching the text, as it was a required reading for many honors high school English classes at the time.

I can assure you there were no discussions of 16 page breakdowns of the n-word for middle schoolers.

I agree, middle school is too soon. I'd think 11th or 12th grade

 

[brandon]

To me the thing in Huck Finn was that it wasn't used as an angry slur, it was used so casually, just a descriptive word

Very true. But it should be contextualized for the slur that it is, and then move on.

Again, I don't think the contextualization is necessarily the issue. It's the targeted age range (middle school) and the 16 pages of necrotic equine flagellation that are the issues.

 

[brandon]

I agree, middle school is too soon. I'd think 11th or 12th grade

In Mississippi, it was an honors 10th grade English book, just FYI.

I'll also point out that "To Kill a Mockingbird" is a 9th grade required reading in Mississippi with similar usage.

 

[DaveXA]

I can see where an attempt was made to manage this conversation in an effective way, and there were scholarly articles written by black authors included in the lesson plan. But the overall plan is just a bad idea.

As an educator, for me, the problem really is the targeted age range. It's just too much for middle school, IMO. You're not going to be handing out a 16-page packet contextualizing the use of the F-word in middle school, so why do it for the N-word? 16 pages is just too much opportunity to get it wrong.

If you're gonna do Huck Finn in middle school (in most places, that's a high school book primarily for this reason), then the only contextualizing about that word in that book is that it's a racial slur used against black people, considered one of if not the most offensive word in our language, and it should not be used, especially by people who aren't black. The teachers and the students, if reading aloud, should say "n-word" or something similar in its place. Then move on and discuss the other themes in the book that need addressing.

I'm all for providing 100% of the context of our racial past, but 16 pages of breaking down the N-word to middle schoolers isn't the way to do it.

Agree 100%. Start with 10th graders and go from there imo.

 

[bird]

Agree 100%. Start with 10th graders and go from there imo.

C’mon, guys. That is just being woke. What if one little snowflake gets their fee-fees hurt?

Now, where did I put my sarcasm button?

 

[MT15]

I get what you're saying but this is also the same argument used against teaching black and gay history and that's how you end up with some districts that teach about "involuntary workers" and some others where slavery isn't mentioned at all

But I'm still torn on the N word being taught. it would have to be handled very delicately

I guess what I was getting at was that the lesson would be approached differently in different schools. A majority black school would probably approach it differently than a 98% white school. Mandating a single way to handle the issue isn’t going to work.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Optimus Prime]

Guess this can go here
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Asian Americans increasingly find themselves at the center of scorching debates over educational opportunity and fairness, whether related to admissions practices at highly selective colleges or pressing concerns over social exclusion in school.

Now research evidence demonstrates that they face racial isolation simply by entering the classroom. A recent study of wealthy California suburbs finds that white families drift away from public schools as more Asian students enroll in them — and fears over academic competition, rather than outright racism, may play the biggest role in driving the departures.

Circulated this summer by the National Bureau of Economic Research, the paper offers an unusually granular view of population-level changes in a highly affluent and desirable milieu. It also reveals a stark and somewhat disturbing response to the presence of Asian Americans, one of the fastest-growing and highest-achieving ethnic groups in the United States.............

The results of the authors’ calculations were unmistakable: With each arrival of an Asian American student in a high-income suburban district, .6 white students left — mostly departing the community entirely, rather than relocating to a private or a charter school. After adjusting their observations for moving patterns (different sub-groups enrolled at schools at markedly different rates, with South Asian and Chinese populations growing faster than Koreans and Japanese) the effect was even greater, such that each Asian student was associated with the departure of 1.5 white students.

The strength of the correlation between Asian entrance and white exit was clear, even if the motivation wasn’t. The research team considered multiple explanations behind the trend, but found reason to doubt each.

First off, no statistical relationship existed during those years between Asian American student enrollment and that of students from other groups, such as African Americans or Hispanics; therefore, white movement was a reaction not to the broader emergence of non-white neighbors, but to Asians specifically.

But additional qualitative evidence indicates that the movement was unlikely to have been primarily generated by anti-Asian prejudice either. In responses to the General Social Survey, a long-running poll of public attitudes administered by the University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center, highly educated participants were vastly less likely than their less educated peers to say they “feel cool” toward Asian Americans, or to say they don’t trust them. And yet the suburbs included in the study were overwhelmingly populated by high-income residents with college and advanced degrees.

“If we just look at the basic correlations, we don’t see this kind of white flight from low-income suburbs,” said Boustan. “To me, this very clearly rules out basic racial animus.”

But the out-migration could be related to another factor: relative performance in school. According to results from California’s mandated math and reading tests, as well as its high school exit exam, the presence of Asian students in a given school during the period under observation was tied to elevated average test scores in that school — but typically not for white students. In other words, the new Asian American pupils were bringing stronger academic performance to the schools they enrolled in, but also potentially making their white classmates look somewhat worse by comparison.

Boustan said that possibility could be viewed with dread during college admissions season, when high school seniors are often considered on the basis of their class GPA rank.

“Someone is showing up in the district who scores better than they do. On some of the tests, maybe that pulls the white scores up a bit too, and on other tests, it looks like white scores might even be falling. But in relative terms, the white kids are generally falling behind.”.............

Fear of Competition? Research Shows That When Asian Students Move In, White Families Move Out

In wealthy, educated communities, evidence emerges of a new form of “white flight.”

www.the74million.org

 

[Optimus Prime]

article on this

When people say they want English to named as America's official language I've never hear them elaborate on what that would mean exactly

Documents only available in English?

No more "Para Espanol press numero uno" when calling customer service?

Foreign Languages not taught in public schools?

And if nothing changes what would be the point?
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.............This argument has cropped up numerous times. While most U.S. residents speak English, there is no official language as stipulated under federal law. That’s provided an opportunity for those interested in tapping into the same sentiment as Trump (Lara and her father-in-law). Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), for example, introduced a bill in March that would make English the country’s official language.

A Congressional Research Service report from 2010 notes that the push to recognize English as the national language can be traced to the mid-1980s. That makes sense in the context of the moment. Census Bureau data indicates that about 9 in 10 U.S. residents spoke English at home in 1980, with that percentage dropping to about 86 percent by 1990. The percentage of people who spoke Spanish at home rose from 5.6 percent to 7.6 percent.

By 2000, though, the percentages were fairly stable. That year, 82 percent of respondents reported speaking English at home; in 2022, the figure was 78 percent. The percentage of Spanish speakers rose from about 11 percent in 2000 to 13 percent last year.

In 1910, 95 percent of U.S. residents reported speaking English at home. Most of the rest spoke some other European language. Immigration laws were tightened a decade later — in part out of concern about immigrants from Asia and about those purported anarchists — and only loosened in the 1960s. Since then, Asian languages have surpassed European ones spoken at home.

On a state level, there hasn’t been a big shift in the density of English speakers over the past 15 years or so. On average, the percentage of state residents who indicate that they speak English at home has fallen 1.7 percentage points to about 85 percent. States that voted for Donald Trump in 2020 (shown with red arrows below) had higher average densities of English speakers in 2022. About 89 percent of red-state residents speak English at home compared with 80 percent of blue-state residents.

Partisan politics are very much to the point, of course. Pew Research Center found in 2019 that Republicans were far more likely to express discomfort about hearing people speak non-English languages than were Democrats. A fifth of Republicans (and Republican-leaning independents) said it would bother them “a lot” to hear someone speaking another language; nearly half said it would bother them at least some. Nearly 6 in 10 Democrats said it wouldn’t bother them at all..........

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

i don't see the problem with just the head dress, it's the black face that makes this idiotic.

I didn't either, in grade school we did the whole construction paper headdress thing, plays with Pilgrims and Indians, recess was cowboys and Indians etc.

I grew up and still live in the Washington DC area so this was a topic of discussion due to the Redskins. I wasn't aware of any issue until high school and I'll admit I dismissed it at the time. I didn't see what the big deal was

It really wasn't until the Smithsonian Musuem of Native American History opened and reading about not just the team name but all of it, the headresses, war whoops, teepees, face paint, sexy Indian princesses etc. They didn't feel it was honoring or respectful, that it really was no different than Blackface. That it was known as redface.

Some of the videos of Skins fans interacting with Native Americans was beyond embarrassing and cringey

I feel differently about it now

Even though there was pressure about the team name off and on, to me it seemed to become a thing (at least locally) once every 5 years or so, I believe if it wasn't for the aftermath of George Floyd's murder the team would still be known as the Redskins to this day

 

[SystemShock]

i don't see the problem with just the head dress, it's the black face that makes this idiotic.

Out of curiosity, why do you think that head dress not problematic? The head dress is a very important symbol in Native American culture, you know, the people whose land was stolen, who were indiscriminately slaughtered, and who were forced into reservations. But it's fine to put it on a kid with blackface so he can watch a football game in style?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Intent goes a long way. Sure if you are wearing one to make fun of the culture or to disparrage them. Like the kid in the picture with black face. He is clearly mocking the them, even though he may not realize it.
If you are wearing it respectfully, i don't see a problem with it. It isn't the same as black face..

 

[Optimus Prime]

Alvin Kamara taught an Alabama high school student a valuable lesson when it comes to using derogatory language — especially with those who are unfamiliar with you. The 27-year-old New Orleans Saints running back is a fan favorite on the field and amongst those who participate in fantasy football. With Kamara’s contributions to the Saint’s recent win over the Seattle Seahawks, he made a huge impact on anyone who had him on their fantasy team. Though excitement is to be expected with such victory, one fan got a little carried away.

The fan, Dane Hawkins, is a student at Hokes Bluff High School in Hokes Bluff, Alabama. Hawkins thought it would be a good idea to congratulate Kamara on the win by sending him a private message on Instagram. However, the message he chose to send was not in the best taste.

“Good game N****,” Hawkins messaged Kamara shortly before 10 a.m.

Clearly, Kamara didn’t appreciate Hawkins’ choice in salutations.

“If I snapshot this and send it to your head coach at Hokes what happens,” he replied.

Knowing that things just got real, the high schooler was swift to apologize.

“My bad I didn’t think you actually received these. I am a huge fan I have had you every year in fantasy,” Hawkins continued to plead his case but Kamara wasn’t convinced.

HuffPost‘s senior front page editor, Philip Lewis tweeted images of the exchange that Kamara and Dawkins had via Instagram.

The caption, “Life comes at you fast” summed up the turn of events that Hawkins experienced after Kamara continued to chastise the teen.

“I don’t care. Do you use that word at school,” asked Kamara.

Hawkins doubled down on his slip-up, “Nah. It’s not in my vocabulary, I don’t know why I used it here.”

“So they need to know is what you’re telling me,” Kamara said before leaving the teen with his thoughts for a while.

Hawkins apologized again and its possible things could have just ended here. However, they didn’t. A condescending follow-up reply from Hawkins triggered Kamara to take things even further.

“But after careful consideration, you have earned a roster spot on my team. Congratulations son,” Hawkins said in his final message.

As if it were some type of consolation prize, those words set Kamara off and the pro football player posted screenshots of the conversation and tagged the teen, his high school, and the high school student government.

After the post went public Hawkins poorly acknowledged he learned his lesson and asked Kamara to remove the post because he was getting “harassed.”

Black Twitter ran with the post quicker than Kamara did on the field Sunday and had the young man in retreat..............

White High School Student Taught Valuable Lesson After Using The N-Word In NFL'er Alvin Kamara's DMs - Blavity

Alvin Kamara taught an Alabama high school student a valuable lesson when it comes to using derogatory language — especially with those who are unfamiliar with you. The 27-year-old New Orleans Saints running back is a fan favorite on the field and amongst those who participate in fantasy...

www.blavity.com

 

[samiam5211]

Alvin Kamara taught an Alabama high school student a valuable lesson when it comes to using derogatory language — especially with those who are unfamiliar with you. The 27-year-old New Orleans Saints running back is a fan favorite on the field and amongst those who participate in fantasy football. With Kamara’s contributions to the Saint’s recent win over the Seattle Seahawks, he made a huge impact on anyone who had him on their fantasy team. Though excitement is to be expected with such victory, one fan got a little carried away.

The fan, Dane Hawkins, is a student at Hokes Bluff High School in Hokes Bluff, Alabama. Hawkins thought it would be a good idea to congratulate Kamara on the win by sending him a private message on Instagram. However, the message he chose to send was not in the best taste.

“Good game N****,” Hawkins messaged Kamara shortly before 10 a.m.

Clearly, Kamara didn’t appreciate Hawkins’ choice in salutations.

“If I snapshot this and send it to your head coach at Hokes what happens,” he replied.

Knowing that things just got real, the high schooler was swift to apologize.

“My bad I didn’t think you actually received these. I am a huge fan I have had you every year in fantasy,” Hawkins continued to plead his case but Kamara wasn’t convinced.

HuffPost‘s senior front page editor, Philip Lewis tweeted images of the exchange that Kamara and Dawkins had via Instagram.

The caption, “Life comes at you fast” summed up the turn of events that Hawkins experienced after Kamara continued to chastise the teen.

“I don’t care. Do you use that word at school,” asked Kamara.

Hawkins doubled down on his slip-up, “Nah. It’s not in my vocabulary, I don’t know why I used it here.”

“So they need to know is what you’re telling me,” Kamara said before leaving the teen with his thoughts for a while.

Hawkins apologized again and its possible things could have just ended here. However, they didn’t. A condescending follow-up reply from Hawkins triggered Kamara to take things even further.

“But after careful consideration, you have earned a roster spot on my team. Congratulations son,” Hawkins said in his final message.

As if it were some type of consolation prize, those words set Kamara off and the pro football player posted screenshots of the conversation and tagged the teen, his high school, and the high school student government.

After the post went public Hawkins poorly acknowledged he learned his lesson and asked Kamara to remove the post because he was getting “harassed.”

Black Twitter ran with the post quicker than Kamara did on the field Sunday and had the young man in retreat..............

White High School Student Taught Valuable Lesson After Using The N-Word In NFL'er Alvin Kamara's DMs - Blavity

Alvin Kamara taught an Alabama high school student a valuable lesson when it comes to using derogatory language — especially with those who are unfamiliar with you. The 27-year-old New Orleans Saints running back is a fan favorite on the field and amongst those who participate in fantasy...

www.blavity.com

Not defending the kid, but in today's environment, Kamara should have been more careful with unleashing the internet on the guy.

Send it to his coach, but don't dox him to all the nutjobs online.

 

[SystemShock]

Intent goes a long way. Sure if you are wearing one to make fun of the culture or to disparrage them. Like the kid in the picture with black face. He is clearly mocking the them, even though he may not realize it.
If you are wearing it respectfully, i don't see a problem with it. It isn't the same as black face..

How is it not mocking, wearing a symbol of the Nations, something that their most important figures have used used, that has been presented to them in elaborate ceremonies, to a football game, to watch a football team called the Chiefs, a word that has can be used derogatorily? Because we don't see the day to day struggle of Native Americans? Because we don't hear their complains or see them abused on a daily basis? Since they are neatly tucked in their reservations?

BTW, it's supposed to be war paint, not black face.

 

[Optimus Prime]

And to Farb’s delight here’s a story about black men being charged with hate crimes against Hispanics
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Two South Carolina men have been indicted by a grand jury on federal hate crime charges over an alleged string of robberies targeting Hispanic victims.

Charles Antonio Clippard, 26, and Michael Joseph Knox, 28, of Columbia, are accused of conspiring to carry out the robberies at public businesses, including gas stations and grocery stores.…..

Two South Carolina men charged with hate crimes for allegedly robbing Hispanics

According to the Justice Department, the suspects targeted four victims who identified as Mexican or Hispanic

www.the-independent.com

 

[DaveXA]

How is it not mocking, wearing a symbol of the Nations, something that their most important figures have used used, that has been presented to them in elaborate ceremonies, to a football game, to watch a football team called the Chiefs, a word that has can be used derogatorily? Because we don't see the day to day struggle of Native Americans? Because we don't hear their complains or see them abused on a daily basis? Since they are neatly tucked in their reservations?

BTW, it's supposed to be war paint, not black face.

Yeah, I get why people do it. Definitely not a fan of wearing head dress unless the tribe it represents allowed/approved it, which I suspect they wouldn't.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I don't think I've ever heard the word Chief used in a deragatory manner. It isn't the same as Redskin.
If a kid is wearing a headress like this in a school play, it isn't the same as a kid painting his face black in a school play.

To be honest, i never knew the team name didn't have Native American origin. and i did not know the term Chief was not a native american term.