All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Optimus Prime]

May be this belongs in the CRT thread

This particular exercise is pretty ham fisted but I remember in the 90s there being discussion about if, when and how to teach the N word in school (when English classes were reading Huck Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird etc.) This was also when gangsta rap was first getting popular and the word was being heard more often

There was the whole "Why can they say it but I can't?" and "If it's so bad why do they say it?"

I'm still a bit torn on it honestly. Maybe if kids knew the history and horror of the word they wouldn't toss it around so freely

 

[DaveXA]

May be this belongs in the CRT thread

This particular exercise is pretty ham fisted but I remember in the 90s there being discussion about if, when and how to teach the N word in school (when English classes were reading Huck Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird etc.) This was also when gangsta rap was first getting popular and the word was being heard more often

There was the whole "Why can they say it but I can't?" and "If it's so bad why do they say it?"

I'm still a bit torn on it honestly. Maybe if kids knew the history and horror of the word they wouldn't toss it around so freely

I definitely think it needs to be taught. I see too many kids these days flippantly saying "she's my n...." or something similar. And they apply it to anyone, regardless of skin color. I think if they understood the how and why, they maybe wouldn't be so flippant. Idk how effective it would be though.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I definitely think it needs to be taught. I see too many kids these days flippantly saying "she's my n...." or something similar. And they apply it to anyone, regardless of skin color. I think if they understood the how and why, they maybe wouldn't be so flippant. Idk how effective it would be though.

That's what I was thinking, but I feel that's also the best case scenario and could easily go sideways

How would the lessons be received?

How would the (I’m assuming teen) students react?

how would the teachers, the parents?

How would it work in classes with only one or two black students? Or none?

And can you teach about the word without saying the word?

 

[DaveXA]

That's what I was thinking, but I feel that's also the best case scenario and could easily go sideways

How would the lessons be received? How would the (I['m assuming teen) students reacts, how would the teachers, the parents?

How would it work in classes with only one or two black students? Or none?

Yeah, all good questions. Tough call.

 

[MT15]

This is probably best left to individual teachers and/or school systems to handle. Rather than trying to mandate something at a state or federal level. School boards are local and should be capable of handling these issues.

 

[bird]

Just saw this on ESPN.

Irsay: Arrested because I'm a 'white billionaire'

Colts owner Jim Irsay said his 2014 arrest for operating a vehicle while intoxicated was a result of police prejudice against him for being "a rich, white billionaire."

www.espn.com

What an azzhat.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Just saw this on ESPN.

Irsay: Arrested because I'm a 'white billionaire'

Colts owner Jim Irsay said his 2014 arrest for operating a vehicle while intoxicated was a result of police prejudice against him for being "a rich, white billionaire."

www.espn.com

What an azzhat.

Sung at the beginning of every NFL owners meeting



Someone should make a video with mansions, yachts, cars etc

 

[The moose]

Just saw this on ESPN.

Irsay: Arrested because I'm a 'white billionaire'

Colts owner Jim Irsay said his 2014 arrest for operating a vehicle while intoxicated was a result of police prejudice against him for being "a rich, white billionaire."

www.espn.com

What an azzhat.

Yeah had not one thing to do with being a billionaire junkie. It is not like his girlfriend didn't OD and he was a oxy user.

 

[Optimus Prime]

so we're still doing this? combined with blackface too?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

i don't see the problem with just the head dress, it's the black face that makes this idiotic.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Dressing up as a Native American is never appropriate. For years, classrooms across the country have included special days where students "dress up" as Native Americans for different celebrations and lesson activities.

Often, the outfits people wear to look "Indian" have nothing to do with Native people and cultures. Native American cultures are vastly diverse and have a wide range of traditions that determine the clothing and adornment Native people wear.

"Dressing up" as Native Americans gives students a generalized and inaccurate perspective on Native cultures and identities. Often, these costumes suggest that Native cultures exist only in the past. We promote lessons and activities that share the continuance and creativity of Native American life and cultures.

We ask that you and your students specifically refrain from making or wearing Native masks, headdresses, or imitations of either. We promote teaching about specific Native traditions without adapting them into your classroom.

For example, in some Native communities, masks and headdresses are worn only by specific people who have particular abilities, have achieved a specific status, or possess certain cultural knowledge……

Native Knowledge 360°—Native American Cultures and Clothing: Native American Is Not a Costume

NK360° Helpful Handouts: Guidance on Common Questions provide a brief introduction to teachers about important topics regarding Native American life, cultures, and communities. Native Life and Food: Food Is More Than Just What We Eat explores Indigenous relationships with food. #NK360

americanindian.si.edu

 

[Optimus Prime]

Systemic racism comes in many forms, and one way it is popularly seen is in undignified, mass-produced Halloween Indian costumes. This blatant disregard for Indigenous peoples and their (very different) cultures is disrespectful and offensive.

Wearing of these costumes is a sign of the overall acceptance of cultural appropriation and bastageization of Native cultures. While in many ways the nation is beginning to recognize that practices like blackface are indeed offensive and wrong, there are others who cannot grasp how dressing up like an Indian princess, warrior, queen, or chief is similar and just as bad. This tells us a lot about the value assigned to Native Americans in this country, and how we still have a long way to go to universal cultural respect.

Our society is much too comfortable mocking and sexualizing Indigenous peoples. Native men are characterized with big headdresses and loincloths, and Native women are put in scant, faux leather-fringed dresses, adorned with small headbands and feathers.

Accepting the use of Indian costumes perpetuates a misrepresentation of Indigenous cultures and dehumanization of Indigenous peoples, creating psychological trauma that manifests in depression and shame – especially among our Native youth……

That Indian Princess Costume is Not Honoring Native Culture | First Nations Development Institute

Systemic racism comes in many forms, and one way it is popularly seen is in undignified, mass-produced Halloween Indian costumes. This blatant disregard for Indigenous peoples and their (very different) cultures is disrespectful and offensive. Wearing of these costumes is a sign of the overall ac...

www.firstnations.org

 

[Optimus Prime]

Every spring, as Coachella wraps up, I breathe a quick little sigh of relief knowing that it’ll be a while before my Twitter feed fills up again with white kids in Urban Outfitters headdresses, Party City chokers, buckskin bikini tops, and Revlon war paint.

You know, redface. Also known as cultural appropriation.

And sure, that might not be the biggest problem you can think of right now—after all, you might think that of all the kinds of genocide out there, cultural genocide is probably the most polite of them.

So, the act of wearing me, my relatives, my ancestors, and essentially anyone of Indigenous ethnicity as a costume may strike you as something that falls more toward the genteel end of the racism spectrum than, say, shooting at us.

Here’s the thing, though: it’s still racism. And it’s a bigger deal than you might think.

And even after Coachella, it isn’t quite over. We’re into convention season now, which means we’ve got months ahead of us in which to potentially see white people dressed up as Connors, Tiger Lilies, Pocahonti, and generic manic pixie tribegirls whenever we go out to see some panels and get a few autographs. (Not to mention that one pack of bros at every con who think their beards are spirit animals, but that’s another article.)

We’re in a position to be labeled social justice warriors, to be told we’re too easily offended, and to hear how hard these cosplayers tried and the great pains they took to make sure their Native American cosplay wouldn’t be problematic.

But, statistically, it pretty much always is.…..

Your Native American Cosplay Is Racist AF

A non-Indigenous person wearing a headdress may be on a different part of the spectrum than, say shooting at us, but it's still racism. And it's a bigger deal than you might think.

twincitiesgeek.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[brandon]

May be this belongs in the CRT thread

This particular exercise is pretty ham fisted but I remember in the 90s there being discussion about if, when and how to teach the N word in school (when English classes were reading Huck Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird etc.) This was also when gangsta rap was first getting popular and the word was being heard more often

There was the whole "Why can they say it but I can't?" and "If it's so bad why do they say it?"

I'm still a bit torn on it honestly. Maybe if kids knew the history and horror of the word they wouldn't toss it around so freely

I definitely think it needs to be taught. I see too many kids these days flippantly saying "she's my n...." or something similar. And they apply it to anyone, regardless of skin color. I think if they understood the how and why, they maybe wouldn't be so flippant. Idk how effective it would be though.

I can see where an attempt was made to manage this conversation in an effective way, and there were scholarly articles written by black authors included in the lesson plan. But the overall plan is just a bad idea.

As an educator, for me, the problem really is the targeted age range. It's just too much for middle school, IMO. You're not going to be handing out a 16-page packet contextualizing the use of the F-word in middle school, so why do it for the N-word? 16 pages is just too much opportunity to get it wrong.

If you're gonna do Huck Finn in middle school (in most places, that's a high school book primarily for this reason), then the only contextualizing about that word in that book is that it's a racial slur used against black people, considered one of if not the most offensive word in our language, and it should not be used, especially by people who aren't black. The teachers and the students, if reading aloud, should say "n-word" or something similar in its place. Then move on and discuss the other themes in the book that need addressing.

I'm all for providing 100% of the context of our racial past, but 16 pages of breaking down the N-word to middle schoolers isn't the way to do it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is probably best left to individual teachers and/or school systems to handle. Rather than trying to mandate something at a state or federal level. School boards are local and should be capable of handling these issues.

I get what you're saying but this is also the same argument used against teaching black and gay history and that's how you end up with some districts that teach about "involuntary workers" and some others where slavery isn't mentioned at all

But I'm still torn on the N word being taught. it would have to be handled very delicately

 

[brandon]

But I'm still torn on the N word being taught. it would have to be handled very delicately

In my hippie liberal undergrad English licensure class, we read this book and discussed various methods for approaching the text, as it was a required reading for many honors high school English classes at the time.

I can assure you there were no discussions of 16 page breakdowns of the n-word for middle schoolers.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I can see where an attempt was made to manage this conversation in an effective way, and there were scholarly articles written by black authors included in the lesson plan. But the overall plan is just a bad idea.

As an educator, for me, the problem really is the targeted age range. It's just too much for middle school, IMO. You're not going to be handing out a 16-page packet contextualizing the use of the F-word in middle school, so why do it for the N-word? 16 pages is just too much opportunity to get it wrong.

If you're gonna do Huck Finn in middle school (in most places, that's a high school book primarily for this reason), then the only contextualizing about that word in that book is that it's a racial slur used against black people, considered one of if not the most offensive word in our language, and it should not be used, especially by people who aren't black. The teachers and the students, if reading aloud, should say "n-word" or something similar in its place. Then move on and discuss the other themes in the book that need addressing.

I'm all for providing 100% of the context of our racial past, but 16 pages of breaking down the N-word to middle schoolers isn't the way to do it.

To me the thing in Huck Finn was that it wasn't used as an angry slur, it was used so casually, just a descriptive word