All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You might want to stay in your lane on the grammar/spelling issue.

I just wanted to make a comparison he could grasp, though that might be an exercise in futility.

 

[SystemShock]

 

[Optimus Prime]

…..Here are some real arguments people have levied to protest the casting choice. The facts prove they just don't hold water.

Claim: 'The Little Mermaid' is a Danish story, therefore Ariel should be White

The original "Little Mermaid" story was written by Hans Christian Anderson and first published in 1837.

If we're going to dignify this argument, according to the text, Ariel and the rest of her mermaid kin are from "far out in the ocean" (literally the opening lines of the story) at the "bottom of the sea." So, not Denmark or anywhere near it.

If critics are truly worried about staying faithful to the original story, we shouldn't gloss over the original ending where the mermaid is instructed to kill her prince, but throws the knife away in despair and dissolves into sea foam instead.

Not to mention, while the 1989 Disney version has a Prince Eric with bright blue peepers, Anderson specifically described the prince as having "coal-black eyes" and "raven hair."

(Also "The Little Mermaid," who doesn't even have a name in the original story, isn't real.)

Claim: Mermaids live under the sea and therefore would not have dark skin

"From a scientific perspective, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have someone with darker skin who lives deep in the ocean." So says far-right pundit Matt Walsh, who opined about the "Little Mermaid" casting on "The Matt Walsh Show."

He claims he framed the comment as a joke, since he goes on to say that "not only should the Little Mermaid be pale, she should, actually, be translucent."

However, the context of his comment is still racially charged, and he still implies pale skin is closer to a "scientific" mermaid than dark skin.

Again, if we're going to take an academic look at these unnecessary bits of discourse, not all abyssal creatures are pale. Not all underwater creatures are pale.

Also, since mermaids also get close enough to the surface to see other humans, if you want to look at it scientifically, mermaids would probably have a specific type of pigmentation that allowed for both a deep sea and shallow water existence.

We also know that, centuries ago, seafarers often mistook one particular animal for a mermaid: the manatee, which is not pale.

(Also "The Little Mermaid" isn't real.)

Claim: Mermaids are a European mythological figure and therefore Ariel should be White

Numerous Twitter scraps have cropped up with people trying to argue European folklore, or even Homerian epics like "The Odyssey," have some sort of monopoly on the idea of mermaids.

In reality, it's fascinating to see how many different cultures throughout history have arrived at parallel folklorical themes. Humanoid creatures that dwell in the water are part of innumerable mythologies around the world.

East Asian and Oceanic folklore is replete with stories of underwater kingdoms and merpeople both good and evil, from the Magindara in some Philippine regions to the tale of the Indian Princess Suriratna or Hwang-ok that reached South Korea.

Middle Eastern folktales compiled in the classic "Arabian Nights" collection, which dates back more than a thousand years, feature several accounts of sea-dwelling human creatures.

In parts of continental Africa and among the African diaspora, folklore describing water spirits, oftentimes in the shape of beautiful women, are common. According to Shona mythology in Zimbabwe, the "njuzu" are mermaids who occupy lakes or rivers.

(Also, not all Europeans are White. Also, "The Little Mermaid" isn't real.)……..

Analysis: A definitive rebuttal to every racist 'Little Mermaid' argument

Halle Bailey's portrayal of Ariel has brought out a wave of racist criticism. Aside from the fact that "The Little Mermaid" is literal fiction, such arguments are easily debunked.

www.cnn.com

 

[SystemShock]

Real people should be played by people of their race. Fictional people can be played (or drawn) in whatever race. Doesn't really matter what the source material is as many fictional works are made and remade with numerous revisions/changes.

There, I've solved that. We can get on with other petty stuff.

Well, there is source material, and there is source material. Also, there's also racism, and there is nerd rage, which doesn't necessarily equate to racism.

I think we all would agree that casting Lupita Nyong'o as Snow White would make no sense, for obvious reasons.
Peter Dinklage is a fantastic actor, but I don't think casting him as Samson would make sense either.

I am a big Witcher fan. When the Netflix series announced the cast, there was backlash over the choice of actresses playing Yennefer and Priscilla. While they are fictitious characters, they are physically described in the books (both very Slavic white), and casting a woman of Indian descent and another of African descent to play them didn't sit well with fans.

Then, I don't remember anyone complaining Jason Momoa plays Aquaman, who was portrayed in cartoons as pale white and blonde.

Then there was Scarlett Johansson starting in Ghost in the Shell... people decried white washing, saying a woman of Asian descent should've played the character... when anime characters normally have very white features.

And really, don't discount nerd rage, the people who complain when the haircut is wrong.

 

[SystemShock]

... speaking of The Little Mermaid, has anyone told the nerds and racists that Ariel is a male Hebrew name that means "lion of God'?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Well, there is source material, and there is source material. Also, there's also racism, and there is nerd rage, which doesn't necessarily equate to racism.

I think we all would agree that casting Lupita Nyong'o as Snow White would make no sense, for obvious reasons.
Peter Dinklage is a fantastic actor, but I don't think casting him as Samson would make sense either.

I am a big Witcher fan. When the Netflix series announced the cast, there was backlash over the choice of actresses playing Yennefer and Priscilla. While they are fictitious characters, they are physically described in the books (both very Slavic white), and casting a woman of Indian descent and another of African descent to play them didn't sit well with fans.

Then, I don't remember anyone complaining Jason Momoa plays Aquaman, who was portrayed in cartoons as pale white and blonde.

Then there was Scarlett Johansson starting in Ghost in the Shell... people decried white washing, saying a woman of Asian descent should've played the character... when anime characters normally have very white features.

And really, don't discount nerd rage, the people who complain when the haircut is wrong.

I get the idea, but I still don't have a problem with it. There could definitely be a take on Samson played by Peter Dinklage or Lupita Nyong as Snow White. Akira Kurosawa wrote and directed Ran, which is a Japanese Samurai take on King Lear. Similarly, George Lucas got some inspiration for doing Star Wars from Kurosawa's film The Hidden Fortress.

Obviously you shouldn't have a film where a character is stated to be a white male (i.e., the rest of the characters treat him as such) but played by a black woman. That would break the sense of immersion... although might be some interesting art house project. The genders and race of most characters in fictional work are fluid in the sense that it's usually not their genders or race that define who they are but how they act, their experiences, etc.

That said, I think it's stupid when it's done for the sake of it like the all-female Ghostbusters movie.

 

[SystemShock]

I get the idea, but I still don't have a problem with it. There could definitely be a take on Samson played by Peter Dinklage or Lupita Nyong as Snow White. Akira Kurosawa wrote and directed Ran, which is a Japanese Samurai take on King Lear. Similarly, George Lucas got some inspiration for doing Star Wars from Kurosawa's film The Hidden Fortress.

Yes. taking the theme of a story and adapting it into a new setting is different.

Also different, theater. Theater doesn't offer the realistic visual immersion a movie tries to portray, you just go to see the actors act, and don't mind that carboard painted blue is moving in the background to represent the ocean. That's why you can go see Lin-Manuel Miranda rap Hamilton or Raul Julia be Macbeth when doing Theater in the Park.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Just a question, is posting political memes ok here now? I am all for it, but I don't because I thought it was against the rules. I want to play.

When has it been againt the rules to post politcal memes on the Politacal Board? Do you have the MAP confused with SR?
Actually, it isn't even against the rules on SR if you post it on the correct thread like the Random Picture thread.. Matter of fact, I am gonna post it om there right now..

 

[Farb]

You'd have to give me an example.

And example? I don't know, maybe like a WWII movie, Band of Brothers type. Is it fine having no black actors? That would be historical context.

 

[Farb]

Sorry, the cameras in my backyard don't show the small little section where I grow my carrots. And with the ambient noise, you can't hear me dig it up. It still happened, though.



Your logic is as bad as your grammar.



A lack of evidence for an event does not mean there is evidence that the event did not take place. That's not how evidence works. I fully admit that she may have made a mistake. I said as much in a prior post. Whether that rises to the level of her owing an apology is a different discussion and ultimately a decision only she can make.

If only you would apply this across the board and not just for protected classes. We might be friends.

Well, when somone starts picking on grammar on a message board, looks like someone is running out of logical arguments in your 'believe all forms of white people being racist' is starting to wear thin.

Fun thing happened this weekend to BYU in the inclusive and progressive state of Oregan. It did happen because there was plenty of evidence, as the case when a team is filming a game as well as students. Funny how that works.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/09/19/univ-of-oregon-apologizes-after-fans-chant-f-the-mormons-at-byu-game/

And for the record, if you don't think Duke should be investigating the student athlete and the god mother, you are biased.

 

[Farb]

I just wanted to make a comparison he could grasp, though that might be an exercise in futility.

yeah, i don't read good.

 

[Farb]

When has it been againt the rules to post politcal memes on the Politacal Board? Do you have the MAP confused with SR?
Actually, it isn't even against the rules on SR if you post it on the correct thread like the Random Picture thread.. Matter of fact, I am gonna post it om there right now..

Ok, cool. Thanks. I didn't know. I thought it was against the TOS to post memes in threads.
I will have fun with this. Thanks.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

If only you would apply this across the board and not just for protected classes. We might be friends.

If you can show me where I don't apply the same standards, I'd be more than happy to address it.

Well, when somone starts picking on grammar on a message board, looks like someone is running out of logical arguments in your 'believe all forms of white people being racist' is starting to wear thin.

No, picking on your grammar was just an added bonus because it happened as you were criticizing my intelligence.

Fun thing happened this weekend to BYU in the inclusive and progressive state of Oregan. It did happen because there was plenty of evidence, as the case when a team is filming a game as well as students. Funny how that works.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/09/19/univ-of-oregon-apologizes-after-fans-chant-f-the-mormons-at-byu-game/

As much as I agree with the sentiment, it was wrong for the people attending the event to chant it (whether it was students or just fans).
https://www.tmz.com/2022/09/19/univ-of-oregon-apologizes-after-fans-chant-f-the-mormons-at-byu-game/

And for the record, if you don't think Duke should be investigating the student athlete and the god mother, you are biased.

We don't investigate people for making claims when no evidence is found because it stops people from coming forward when things happen. I shouldn't have to explain something that simple.

 

[MT15]

Ok, cool. Thanks. I didn't know. I thought it was against the TOS to post memes in threads.
I will have fun with this. Thanks.

Actually, I’m pretty sure Andrus wants memes to be refrained from on the main community board. They’re fine on the sub-boards, though.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

And example? I don't know, maybe like a WWII movie, Band of Brothers type. Is it fine having no black actors? That would be historical context.

Yeah, that's fine... although obviously there were some black soldiers who fought in WW II... didn't you see Redtails?!?? You couldn't have a Civil War movie with black actors as confederate soldiers.

 

[Farb]

Yeah, that's fine... although obviously there were some black soldiers who fought in WW II... didn't you see Redtails?!?? You couldn't have a Civil War movie with black actors as confederate soldiers.

So maybe some of the dust up about this whole thing is that most of the time, it feels like a character was shoe horned into the movie/plot just fill some check boxes and loses the audience. For example the new and awful Ghostbusters all female version.

And, to be fair, you did have black men (both free and enslaved) did 'serve' in the confederate armies. Though, not reported in combat but there are accounts of federal soldiers' stating they engaged with black confederates, although extremely rare. About as rare as their frontline service is WW1 and WW2.

 

[Farb]

If you can show me where I don't apply the same standards, I'd be more than happy to address it.



No, picking on your grammar was just an added bonus because it happened as you were criticizing my intelligence.



As much as I agree with the sentiment, it was wrong for the people attending the event to chant it (whether it was students or just fans).
https://www.tmz.com/2022/09/19/univ-of-oregon-apologizes-after-fans-chant-f-the-mormons-at-byu-game/


We don't investigate people for making claims when no evidence is found because it stops people from coming forward when things happen. I shouldn't have to explain something that simple.

You mean we encourage perjury for the sake of possible crimes that might or might not happen in the future?
I am glad you didn't get any say when developing our legal system.

If someone makes a accusation, is it not on them to prove it or defend it? If not, they become the criminal and the accused becomes the victim. Pretty simple logic. I just don't think you can move past the skin color on this one.