All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (16 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[Farb]

So just for the record- Is socialism only ok if it helps you personally or only when it bails out capitalism as a whole?

Trump is so proud of his best socialism, he wants to sign all the checks so every American knows he is the Biggest supporter of socialism for citizens and corporations alike.

On another note:

If you are out of work, or your business is closed, and claim you are a true conservative - you should reject this money and any and all help from the government. If you lose all you own, so be it- let the market decide.

Choosing socialism now only shows lack of mettle and intestinal fortitude. Would you give up your god too if the situation arises? Have you even pulled on your bootstraps for god sakes? Sad!

If the market decided, you would have a point to your post, but the market didn't decide, the state did. You might want to find another meme from facebook to be your new 'gotcha' post.

 

[Nebaghead]

All printed federal checks have to have a signature on them and you do that with a digital e-signature on the blank virtual check before they're ever printed. Treasury Secretary, or President, either way. Swapping out one e-signature for another is a 10-second process, like I said.
I e-Sign documents every day. I haven't physically signed a document in several years.

Where did this sudden faith in a government process come from? Deaths, taxes, government screwing up something simple is about as true as the day is long.

 

[Heathen]

The "liar" theme has become so repetitious, so trite and mundane that multiple people can't seem to find anything else to talk about.
Worse, nobody else can respond to any discussion of any type without first uttering a gratuitous "Trump is a liar" statement, sort of like a pass phrase.

Poster 1: "I'd like to talk about economic . . ."
Poster 2: "Stop right there. Trump is a liar. You didn't say Trump is a liar!"
Poster 3; "Yeah! You HAVE to say Trump is a liar first!"
Poster 4: "You're a Trump supporter so that make you a liar too, you know!"
Poster 1: "Never mind."

Let's revise this to the relevant context ( just to preface, I fully expect none to participate as has been the theme when one particular side's candidate is called out):

Poster 1: Mike Pence lied about Trump's Coronavirus response, here's the evidence.
Evidence: (As plain as the nose on your face)

Poster 2: Yeah well Democrats are liars too! Don't you think we don't like your side?
Poster3: No it wasn't a lie. I see the evidence but it wasn't a lie. Nope. No.
Poster1: Of course, and I agree that Democrats lie too. But this is the administration in the White House, and this is a particular instance I want to focus on. Can we focus on it for 5 seconds? How can you see a lie as plain as day and ignore it or not feel compelled to say it is wrong?

Poster1: I made a point and you ignored it.

 

[Farb]

Where did this sudden faith in a government process come from? Deaths, taxes, government screwing up something simple is about as true as the day is long.

And yet government run healthcare and government controlled industry is still a dream for some in this country? I know, it is odd.

 

[Heathen]

And yet government run healthcare and government controlled industry is still a dream for some in this country? I know, it is odd.

Oh, this is a conversation completely for a separate thread..but do people still believe that the "starve the beast" mentality the Republicans adopted long ago doesn't have anything to do with how we currently view government in the broad sense?

I guess I think that should be taken into consideration at least.

 

[Dadsdream]

Where did this sudden faith in a government process come from? Deaths, taxes, government screwing up something simple is about as true as the day is long.

True, the potential exists for millions of checks to roll out with a typo in the signature. Dunrald Trump.

To err is human. To really foul things up takes a computer!

 

[CoolBrees]

I don’t have Facebook and never have. In fact, my assistant was forced to create a LinkedIn for me by my partner because I refused and I look like a bot on the internet because I have no presence.

I don’t read any message boards other than this and SR.

I read AP and Reuter’s for my news.

I don’t have cable and haven’t in 20 years.

My opinion is mine and mine alone. Sorry you can’t say the same.

You didn’t answer the question, just questioned my intellect. So I will restate a different way-

You going to accept socialism? You going to accept money from the government? Because when you do, you admit you are a hypocrite and only care about yourself. That isn’t a society. That isnt community. Those are things socialists like me care about - other people and their well being.

I would never trade my humanity for patriotism or the economy. That is where we are different.

 

[JimEverett]

I don’t have Facebook and never have. In fact, my assistant was forced to create a LinkedIn for me by my partner because I refused and I look like a bot on the internet because I have no presence.

I don’t read any message boards other than this and SR.

I read AP and Reuter’s for my news.

I don’t have cable and haven’t in 20 years.

My opinion is mine and mine alone. Sorry you can’t say the same.

You didn’t answer the question, just questioned my intellect. So I will restate a different way-

You going to accept socialism? You going to accept money from the government? Because when you do, you admit you are a hypocrite and only care about yourself. That isn’t a society. That isnt community. Those are things socialists like me care about - other people and their well being.

I would never trade my humanity for patriotism or the economy. That is where we are different.

How is accepting a tax credit socialism? I get it if you don't pay income taxes, is that what you mean? But a credit on the taxes you will pay is not socialism, is it?

 

[Beach Friends]

Hey Heathen, rather than make up what you said that started this conversation why don't we just look at what you actually said:

I just have to wonder if people ultimately just don't care that their side lies habitually to their faces because ultimately 'team red' winning is more important.

Yeah, that's actually 100% what it is.

You didn't just say "Pence is lying."

You wondered how we could support the GOP.

That's what I responded to.

You don't like my response, fine. But don't try to now pretend that you simply said Pence is lying.

 

[Beach Friends]

So just for the record- Is socialism only ok if it helps you personally or only when it bails out capitalism as a whole?

Trump is so proud of his best socialism, he wants to sign all the checks so every American knows he is the Biggest supporter of socialism for citizens and corporations alike.

On another note:

If you are out of work, or your business is closed, and claim you are a true conservative - you should reject this money and any and all help from the government. If you lose all you own, so be it- let the market decide.

Choosing socialism now only shows lack of mettle and intestinal fortitude. Would you give up your god too if the situation arises? Have you even pulled on your bootstraps for god sakes? Sad!

Sorry man, but if you think that this stimulus package makes conservatives more comfortable with the idea that we need to move more toward socialism you are way off the mark.

If anything, Pelosi's attempted power grab just reinforced our belief we can't trust the government. Look at all of the pet projects that Nancy knows she has no other way of trying to get through that she tried to force on us.

@SaintForLife did a good job of documenting them in this thread.

She screwed up and removed any doubt about the left's intentions.

BTW, AOC just tweeted that any stimulus payments should be made through a reparations lense.

They are killing your argument.

Now, go ahead and argue that the GOP can't be trusted handing out money either. That's not going to exactly help your case.

 

[CoolBrees]

A $1200 cash payment to every adult and $500 per child is a social safety net being deployed by the federal government. They are giving free money to corporations, small businesses and now are discussing hospitals being bailed out too. All socialism in its truest form.

Besides....

You ( not you specifically, Jim) can’t argue that 40 percent of people don’t pay taxes when we are talking unemployment but switch to “it’s a tax credit” when it’s for everyone. Cmon.

I get why this is hard for some to come to grips with. That was the whole point of asking. See, there are millions upon millions of Americans that live under the same stress of survival every day; pandemic or no pandemic. You are getting a taste of what it is like to be them. To depend on the government for basic needs. I am sure nobody liked my point about losing everything instead of accepting help from the government should be your stance. It was extreme on purpose to illustrate how these policies are attractive when you are directly benefiting from them.

I hope though that once people see how hard surviving can be when you don’t have your protective bubble on, we can move towards some more humanistic policy, healthcare and living wage.

 

[Farb]

I don’t have Facebook and never have. In fact, my assistant was forced to create a LinkedIn for me by my partner because I refused and I look like a bot on the internet because I have no presence.

I don’t read any message boards other than this and SR.

I read AP and Reuter’s for my news.

I don’t have cable and haven’t in 20 years.

My opinion is mine and mine alone. Sorry you can’t say the same.

You didn’t answer the question, just questioned my intellect. So I will restate a different way-

You going to accept socialism? You going to accept money from the government? Because when you do, you admit you are a hypocrite and only care about yourself. That isn’t a society. That isnt community. Those are things socialists like me care about - other people and their well being.

I would never trade my humanity for patriotism or the economy. That is where we are different.

I never questioned your intellect. I questioned your broad attempt to bring in your socialist agenda during a black swan event. Its dishonest.

Again, if the market dictated that I have to close business (lack of revenue, bad business practices, inventory that doesn't have a demand, ect...) then yes, I would not expect a dime from the government. However, since the state told me I had to close my business then the state is obligated to reimburse me so that I can pay my land lord, pay my workers, pay my creditors, pay the state( that will happen).

 

[CoolBrees]

And BF, for someone who doesn’t like women in power positions, or working for that matter, you sure care about what they say

 

[FullMonte]

Ever hear of the federal e-Sign processes?
You put your chip-equipped federal ID into a slot, it verifies who you are and affixes your digitally verified signature to any document(s) you want, one copy or a million. Takes 10 seconds or less.

Yeah, it may take a few seconds for the digital signature process..but, it's undeniable that issuing paper checks to everyone is going to take significantly longer than pressing a few buttons and direct depositing the majority of them.

 

[JimEverett]

A $1200 cash payment to every adult and $500 per child is a social safety net being deployed by the federal government. They are giving free money to corporations, small businesses and now are discussing hospitals being bailed out too. All socialism in its truest form.

Besides....

You ( not you specifically, Jim) can’t argue that 40 percent of people don’t pay taxes when we are talking unemployment but switch to “it’s a tax credit” when it’s for everyone. Cmon.

I get why this is hard for some to come to grips with. That was the whole point of asking. See, there are millions upon millions of Americans that live under the same stress of survival every day; pandemic or no pandemic. You are getting a taste of what it is like to be them. To depend on the government for basic needs. I am sure nobody liked my point about losing everything instead of accepting help from the government should be your stance. It was extreme on purpose to illustrate how these policies are attractive when you are directly benefiting from them.

I hope though that once people see how hard surviving can be when you don’t have your protective bubble on, we can move towards some more humanistic policy, healthcare and living wage.

For taxpayers it is a tax credit. For non-taxpayers it is welfare. I am sure there are many who do not think non-taxpayers should have received anything - and I imagine all of them were Republicans. Wasn't that something that delayed the bill for a little while?

 

[CoolBrees]

The federal government did not shut your business down. The state, whichever one you live in, did.

The federal government owes you nothing.

 

[CoolBrees]

I got a refund of over 17k last year (2019). Now I am getting another $3400. Tax credit?

 

[Heathen]

Hey Heathen, rather than make up what you said that started this conversation why don't we just look at what you actually said:




You didn't just say "Pence is lying."

You wondered how we could support the GOP.

That's what I responded to.

You don't like my response, fine. But don't try to now pretend that you simply said Pence is lying.

I have no need to "make up" or "pretend" about anything. I thought you'd understand that the subsequent comment was in reference to the one prior.

You've already said you don't care that Pence lied. You've essentially already answered the question for me.