All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (10 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[MT15]

No, because I’m capable of understanding nuance. Life isn’t a cartoon.

You are projecting hypocrisy when the article actually goes into several reasons for the differences in responses. You are reading it but not allowing for anything it says. Just so you can have a “win”?

 

[The moose]

Yes I read the article. Do you have any comment on the hypocrisy that the article noted by public health officials?

Yep just like the police used pepper spray on masked protesters that certainly was a bigger potential cause of coronavirus spread without teargass.

If you want to compare lockdown protests to the other ones go right on and do it. They are apples to oranges.

Let's not bring up the trump rallies with no masks indoors.

The BLM protests were for the most part people were wearing PPE.

And yes that article was good. Professionals in the field were at them protected as much as possible and they were honest about how they felt in the crowd.

That is slightly different than the gun wearing unmasked protests earlier.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[MT15]

All the tweets praising Trump for wearing a mask were hilarious, they sounded like he was toddler who finally used the potty. Then I saw this:

 

[Eeyore]

All the tweets praising Trump for wearing a mask were hilarious, they sounded like he was toddler who finally used the potty. Then I saw this:

It's still quite effective because he's a mouth breather.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Ayo]

The more I see this dragging on and the more I see people getting infected - and even recovering - the more I worry about longterm health.

Our model is not sustainable, but if this sickness is as wild and rampant on the body, impacting other systems, leading to other sicknesses - how is our system going to be able to handle that?

This is a time when some serious medical legislation is needed because that sort of change isn't quick. Kids can get it, and seem fine now or in the next few years, but let's say they start competitive sports or get a clot somewhere or have some sort of brain damage that doesn't make itself clear for a while as the child develops cognitively.

I mean, this is super scary stuff on top of the deaths that are being caused by this.

And it's not just the US. Healthcare in Canada is great for the most part, but budgets are set like a lot of other govt departments and I don't know how we are going to cope with it up here without making sacrifices in other areas or raising taxes even more, which is never popular.

If just feels like the thing nobody is really talking about - or maybe I am just not seeing it - because the here and now before us is so stark and dire.

But the longterm impact of this isn't getting much attention. "2% of people who get this die!" as if that's not really a problem. It is. But so is 98% of people having to live with a disease that manifests itself in so many different ways, taking such a strange toll on the body. And its novelty makes it harder for routine GPs to diagnose or track things, so I would imagine more demand for specialists and diagnostics - and that's something Canada is *definitely* not prepared for.

 

[MT15]

This is so much worse than flu. It affects almost every system in the body. It turns people’s immune systems against them, sometimes causing death even after the virus itself has been neutralized. It’s been an amazing job done by our local docs learning how to treat these patients, I’ve seen definite improvements in the courses of treatment since April. But you do have to wonder what else will this virus do to the people who get it in the future?

 

[Dragon]

The more I see this dragging on and the more I see people getting infected - and even recovering - the more I worry about longterm health.

Our model is not sustainable, but if this sickness is as wild and rampant on the body, impacting other systems, leading to other sicknesses - how is our system going to be able to handle that?

This is a time when some serious medical legislation is needed because that sort of change isn't quick. Kids can get it, and seem fine now or in the next few years, but let's say they start competitive sports or get a clot somewhere or have some sort of brain damage that doesn't make itself clear for a while as the child develops cognitively.

I mean, this is super scary stuff on top of the deaths that are being caused by this.

And it's not just the US. Healthcare in Canada is great for the most part, but budgets are set like a lot of other govt departments and I don't know how we are going to cope with it up here without making sacrifices in other areas or raising taxes even more, which is never popular.

If just feels like the thing nobody is really talking about - or maybe I am just not seeing it - because the here and now before us is so stark and dire.

But the longterm impact of this isn't getting much attention. "2% of people who get this die!" as if that's not really a problem. It is. But so is 98% of people having to live with a disease that manifests itself in so many different ways, taking such a strange toll on the body. And its novelty makes it harder for routine GPs to diagnose or track things, so I would imagine more demand for specialists and diagnostics - and that's something Canada is *definitely* not prepared for.

No countries are prepared for that and yes it is very much a concern here too. The way this virus damages the body is scary.

 

[Dragon]

This is so much worse than flu. It affects almost every system in the body. It turns people’s immune systems against them, sometimes causing death even after the virus itself has been neutralized. It’s been an amazing job done by our local docs learning how to treat these patients, I’ve seen definite improvements in the courses of treatment since April. But you do have to wonder what else will this virus do to the people who get it in the future?

I don't even know if we even know how it affects those already suffering from this. And the scary thing is that noone knows if the damages are permanent, temporary or if they could even get worse over time even when the virus has gone

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This woman is the epitome of incompetence, much like her boss. These are our kids these people are jeopardizing and they don't seem to care...

 

[The moose]

This woman is the epitome of incompetence, much like her boss. These are our kids these people are jeopardizing and they don't seem to care...

That is just the whole problem they have to solve. Corporate America wants schools open because they like paying a wage that can't afford child care.

So the fix has always been the school system makes up for the wage shortfalls.

It is and has always been a serious problem but this pathetic administration makes it so friggin obvious what is really going on here.

 

[Ayo]

I've never been enamored with the Dept of Education. Bennett was a total wreck in the 80s. Duncan was joke under Obama. Spelling was atrociously underqualified - some business major from Michigan.

But DeVos is on another level of terrible. Inhumane. Zero empathy. Stupid. Yes, plain dumb. It's clear that she does not care about our kids and nobody should be listening to Trump or Azar or DeVose when it comes to the welfare of our kids.

There have been meaningful measures that she could have taken - and the Dept - to ease, for example, the student debt and did nothing. They could have talked about funding for public schools, instead they just pivot to the delusional, hyperpartisan 'school choice' non starter.

It's painful how little she knows, and how little she cares. She and her brother were cut from the same cloth, they just profit off of different battlefields.

 

[CoolBrees]

I don’t hate anyone. But DeVos is just a vapid harpie and I hope she gets Covid in a county with limited ventilators.

god that women if forking awful. And stupid. She is forking awfully stupid.

 

[MT15]

This is a completely crazy thing to contemplate.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Even FOX News is ferrying in on the idiocy of the education secretary...

"You can’t do that": Betsy DeVos gets schooled by Fox News host

Chris Wallace scolds Betsy DeVos for trying to illegally cut off school funding

www.salon.com

 

[Ayo]

Oppo research on Fauci by the White House seems an odd move, no? This could be something that could easily backfire. And within moments of the announcement, Biden tweeted that he would listen to Fauci.

If we are talking moderates and suburban white women voters and all these other critical voting blocs, does something like ‘cancelling’ Fauci pay off? How? I must be missing something.

 

[Taurus]

Oppo research on Fauci by the White House seems an odd move, no? This could be something that could easily backfire. And within moments of the announcement, Biden tweeted that he would listen to Fauci.

If we are talking moderates and suburban white women voters and all these other critical voting blocs, does something like ‘cancelling’ Fauci pay off? How? I must be missing something.

Are you really trying to attribute the concept of strategy to anything Trump does? It's petty malice, just like always.