100 Marines to Baghdad (Iran conflict discussion)(Reopened & Merged) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

We’re gonna try to stay on point in this one - .

After the Iranian admission of shooting down the Ukrainian 737, which was carrying 82 Iranian passengers, protests against the Supreme Leader have broken out.

The UK ambassador to Iran has been arrested for talking photos of the protests. President Trump has tweeted support for the protesters in English and Farsi.

 

[coldseat]

Yeah, Soleimani.
Most of my post are confusing to me too, so its not just you.

Nobody, regardless of political belief, thinks Soleimani was a "wonderful shining light of peace and hope." Just, fyi.

Not that you're trying to do that, but I keep seeing conservatives try and shut down any questioning of the administrations on their actions with, "you're not American enough, stop supporting and defending the terrorist.", essentially. It's annoying and trite and not at all and answer to serious questions regarding the reasoning, timing, purpose, and plan to handle the fall out of taking this guy out.

 

[Beach Friends]

You're defending trump's decision so in fact you are tacitly saying that his was right and it wasn't. IMO, this was done for the exact reason he claimed Obama would do it in 2012. He doesn't give a damn about what happens next as he's already stated that he doesn't need an exit strategy. trump supporters have brought us the to the brink of war. I hope like hell it's their son's and daughters who get sent over there to die in a war that was started because the coward in the white house is afraid of losing an election.

This is just not sound reasoning. Trump is extremely well positioned for 2020 as things stand.

A new war would through a huge unknown variable in the mix. The nation clearly does not have an appetite for a new war and has not in some time.

There is not a single Democratic candidate that looks viable. There is not one who I see and think, "I hope he/she doesn't get the nomination."

As a matter of fact, the two most important things that need to happen to maximize his chances in 2020: stay out of a war, the economy needs to keep going the way it has.

 

[reubenray]

in your hypothetical, why would those gun emplacements be there?

Why - to keep us from attacking their gun emplacements!!!

 

[samiam5211]

Why - to keep us from attacking their gun emplacements!!!

Since Trump has threaded cultural sites, would it be logical for them to set up defenses around these targets?

Trump is setting up a circular argument to justify carrying out his threat.

 

[Joe Okc]

You're defending trump's decision so in fact you are tacitly saying that his was right and it wasn't. IMO, this was done for the exact reason he claimed Obama would do it in 2012. He doesn't give a damn about what happens next as he's already stated that he doesn't need an exit strategy. trump supporters have brought us the to the brink of war. I hope like hell it's their son's and daughters who get sent over there to die in a war that was started because the coward in the white house is afraid of losing an election.

I AM not defending anything.... but it's pretty simple... if Iran doesn't attack no more shirt there won't be a problem and no war.. They got the ball.

You seem to forget we didn't do anything but sanctions. THEY attacked ships. THEY shot down drones. THEY fired missiles at US bases.

 

[dtc]

Here is an hypothetical question. What happens if Iran has gun/missile emplacements, etc. at these so called cultural sites? Other countries has done this in the past.

It's their freaking country and their freaking property. They can cover it in gold or feces for all I care and it's none of our darn business what they do.

Until and unless they start shooting at us it's none of our affair and we should keep our noses out of it. Even that poodle-haired, Rand Paul agrees with me.

 

[Joe Okc]

Until and unless they start shooting at us it's none of our affair and we should keep our noses out of it.

Uh.... they been shooting at us...

 

[BobE]

 

[DR Hook]

Uh.... they been shooting at us...

I just heard a report that U.S. forces in Iraq are at this moment under attack by missiles launched from Iran.

 

[samiam5211]

I just heard a report that U.S. forces in Iraq are at this moment under attack by missiles launched from Iran.

I hope this cycle of escalation is worth whatever the end result is.

Winning a pissing contest doesn’t make you a winner.

 

[DR Hook]

Now hearing the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are claiming responsibility for tonights attack. If so then every missile and radar sight along the coast and any place we have identifiedas a nuclear research facility should be destroyed.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

No.. Your defending Iran... Because you don;t like Trump, Can;t admit that something should have been done... They can;t just keep attacking shipping, shooting down drone and sending missles at US bases can they?

As to this comment.



Do it then.... Give me an example of a police officer shooting an innocent person this week... How about this month.. How about this week and last month?

Show me...

You wanted Trump to do something different, he did, he decided to tear up the nuclear agreement that had stalled out Iran’s push for a nuclear weapon, kept a tight inspection regime in place to ensure adherence, and been deescalating tensions in the region. Under the guise that a little strength now would produce an even better result sooner rather than later.

What did many of us ask you all? What happens if Iran doesn’t capitulate? What if they push back? And guess what? They pushed back.

We see what the early response is from Trtumpers, push harder! With seemingly no exit strategy if Iran doesn’t magically start doing the things you all seem so certain they will. As that undergirds all of this, as it undergirded the the Iran nuclear deal, and Saddam two decades ago.

But I ask you and the rest of the conservatives cheering on Trump, at what point will you demand dovishness? Because the logical endgame of this if Iran doesn’t adhere to your magical thinking is protracted war. And if you don’t have an answer to that question it is simply inseparable at this point that you all are the backbone of blindly pushing our country into another one.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Now hearing the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are claiming responsibility for tonights attack. If so then every missile and radar sight along the coast and any place we have identifiedas a nuclear research facility should be destroyed.

Convenient how you 60 year old hawks aren’t the ones who will have to spill blood for your geopolitical ignorance, bloodlust, and grotesque jingoism. Led to this point by a draft dodger and lifelong coward.

How many civilians do you think die in your scenario? Honestly, do you even consider it?....Any service member that dies from this ignorant Trump created escalation is on his hands. And by extension his followers that continue to demonstrate they are incapable of learning the lessons of our recent history and only need the slightest justification to catapult us into bloodshed and war.

 

[MotorCityMod]

Now hearing the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are claiming responsibility for tonights attack. If so then every missile and radar sight along the coast and any place we have identifiedas a nuclear research facility should be destroyed.

I think a casualty report is needed first. What if they hit the base they did because it was pretty open spaced and a good show of retaliation but not really retaliation. Like when your friend holds you back from starting a fight with someone who would probably kick your arse. I'm all for denuclearizing them but not when the stakes are this high and stuff so crazy.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I think a casualty report is needed first. What if they hit the base they did because it was pretty open spaced and a good show of retaliation but not really retaliation. Like when your friend holds you back from starting a fight with someone who would probably kick your arse. I'm all for denuclearizing them but not when the stakes are this high and stuff so crazy.

Take a moment to think how absolutely crazy it is to be reliant upon Iranian calculation and restraint(yes, Iranian restraint) to avoid an American induced escalation against the strongest power America Has picked a fight with in a generation because our president couldn’t allow the black man he hated to keep his legacy.That the Iranian’s were upholding and was serving as a deescalatory pillar in the region? That his own military warned him would lead to this?

Forcing us to further abandon our efforts to combat Isis in the region in order to focus our resources on this self-induced escalatory crisis? Cascading the fallout that much more.

 

[samiam5211]

Now hearing the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are claiming responsibility for tonights attack. If so then every missile and radar sight along the coast and any place we have identifiedas a nuclear research facility should be destroyed.

What would be your expected outcome of that?

It is easy to see how it would damage Iran.

How do you think us doing that might negatively impact the United States?

 

[MotorCityMod]

Take a moment to think how absolutely crazy it is to be reliant upon Iranian restraint(yes, Iranian restraint) to avoid an American induced escalation against the strongest power America Has picked a fight with in a generation because our president couldn’t allow the black man he hated to keep his legacy That the Iranian’s were upholding and was serving as a deescalatory pillar in the region?

Forcing us to further abandon our efforts to combat Isis in the region in order to focus our resources on this self-induced escalatory crisis?

They are showing restraint because they don't want to be bombed into glass. If they thought they could win they would have hit us hard and where it hurts. I don't think Trump should have acted without telling Iraq or congress before but I think the action was the right one. And all accounts are that Iran was involved with Isis anyway. So it is fighting the same war just on a bigger stage.

 

[Beach Friends]

You wanted Trump to do something different, he did, he decided to tear up the nuclear agreement that had stalled out Iran’s push for a nuclear weapon, kept a tight inspection regime in place to ensure adherence, and been deescalating tensions in the region. Under the guise that a little strength now would produce an even better result sooner rather than later.

What did many of us ask you all? What happens if Iran doesn’t capitulate? What if they push back? And guess what? They pushed back.

We see what the early response is from Trtumpers, push harder! With seemingly no exit strategy if Iran doesn’t magically start doing the things you all seem so certain they will. As that undergirds all of this, as it undergirded the the Iran nuclear deal, and Saddam two decades ago.

But I ask you and the rest of the conservatives cheering on Trump, at what point will you demand dovishness? Because the logical endgame of this if Iran doesn’t adhere to your magical thinking is protracted war. And if you don’t have an answer to that question it is simply inseparable at this point that you all are the backbone of pushing for another one.

No, we can't afford to act like you would have us act - way too weak.