100 Marines to Baghdad (Iran conflict discussion)(Reopened & Merged) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

We’re gonna try to stay on point in this one - .

After the Iranian admission of shooting down the Ukrainian 737, which was carrying 82 Iranian passengers, protests against the Supreme Leader have broken out.

The UK ambassador to Iran has been arrested for talking photos of the protests. President Trump has tweeted support for the protesters in English and Farsi.

 

[Soundwave]

We assassinated Admiral Yamamoto.

Wow, never knew how he died. Thanks.

 

[MT15]

Sorry, this may be a bit of a thread jack but my interest was piqued by this. Just curious as to what bold move in WWII are you referring to? I'm reading it as the US openly assassinated someone and I can't think of anything. I'm legit excited to do some research later.

I read that a Japanese government officials plane was shot down,but that’s just going memory. It was on Twitter I think I’ll look for it. Need something to occupy my time now. NM, Max already answered.

 

[Soundwave]

[/QUOTE]

I read that a Japanese government officials plane was shot down,but that’s just going memory. It was on Twitter I think I’ll look for it. Need something to occupy my time now. NM, Max already answered.

We assassinated Admiral Yamamoto.

@Maxp got us. Now I can look into it to get my mind off things.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

You mean like this one?

'I Was So Happy': Local Iranians React To Death Of Soleimani

Ultimately, all three said they believe the world is safer after the death of General Qassem Soleimani.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

Did you even read the first paragraph of what you posted?

Wardorican asked:

”what are these reports from Iran you were speaking of?”​

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Your article:

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) — As reports of additional airstrikes in Baghdad come in, Iranians in Los Angeles responded to the Thursday killing of a top Iranian general.​

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“I’m praying for the peace, that’s everybody’s goal,” Todd Khodadadi, an Iranian American, said. “Peace in the world, hopefully it happens soon.”​

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Nooshin Mashkaty, a NASA engineer who was born in Iran but moved to Los Angeles as a child for school, agreed.​

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Though I am still unclear why this is such an important sticking point? Unless this is just some pride thing about being wrong initially? I think it’s clear from the tens of thousands that took the streets mourning his death that there is a not insignificant number of Iranians who view this development negatively.

And honestly dude, these are people as well, unless some of you are so far gone, even if it was a Democratic administration, if our SecDef, top general, or VP was assassinated when he landed in Saudi Arabia, I would suspect even most Republicans would not be happy about the development. That is the problem with reckless actions like this, they can actually unify a once divided country around a common external enemy and actually strengthen the regime you are hoping to damage.

 

[Joe Okc]

Did you even read the first paragraph of what you posted?

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Though I am still unclear why this is such an important sticking point? Unless this is just some pride thing about being wrong initially?

Where am I wrong... I never said I had heard reports from Iran... They were just talking heads on the news... How am I to link to that? This is what I said.

Heard a bunch or reports about the Iranian people being happy about it...

Had I simply added the word "TOO" like this.

Heard a bunch or reports about the Iranian people being happy about it too...

But one thing is for sure.. I did link to a story where Irainian people are happy about it... Also other Middle Easterners happy about it too... and one thing I do believe is certain... You WON'T have any media from Iran reporting that the people are happy about the killing... And it won't be due to the fact that people arn't happy about it either, but more like afraid to report the truth.

Now if You and Ward are dead set on trying to find where I was wrong in this statement where I said that "I Heard reports"... I did just provide a link proving my claim... so there.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Where am I wrong... I never said I had heard reports from Iran... They were just talking heads on the news... How am I to link to that? This is what I said.



Had I simply added the word "TOO" like this.

Heard a bunch or reports about the Iranian people being happy about it too...

But one thing is for sure.. I did link to a story where Irainian people are happy about it... Also other Middle Easterners happy about it too... and one thing I do believe is certain... You WON'T have any media from Iran reporting that the people are happy about the killing... And it won't be due to the fact that people arn't happy about it either, but more like afraid to report the truth.

Now if You and Ward are dead set on trying to find where I was wrong in this statement where I said that "I Heard reports"... I did just provide a link proving my claim... so there.

Dude, you have linked to a report from Iraq and one about Americans of Iranian heritage, living in America. Three to be exact. You haven’t actually qualified what you claimed. Which is that you heard reports out of Iran or Iranians happy.

And like others have said, it is almost certain there are Iranians, in Iran, that are ok with the assassination, but from all the reports so far it has been a predominately unifying and galvanizing development, not something that is weakening the regime internally..Or their influence in Iraq for that matter.

But like I said, I’m not sure what your point even is here? Do you have one?? The Iraqis are predominately blaming us, as it us, not the Iranians, that they are very possibly going to demand our departure. And there is no indication the Iranian regime has had a net loss in legitimacy internally.

You pick some really weird hills to fight on, you know?

 

[Joe Okc]

Which is that you heard reports out of Iran



You pick some really weird hills to fight on, you know?

I want you to copy and quote where I said I heard reports out of Iran.

Do that and I will donate $20 to Andrus and this sight...

If you do not, Then I expect you to donate $20 to Andrus and the Sight.

So let's see what ya got.. I am waiting. I want to see you backup your claim.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Anyways, something much more worthy of discussion:












Pretty un- forking - believable.

So lets summarize the things I would actualy be interested in hearing answers for from his defenders:

- We are declaring we are no longer better than terrorists and plan to target holy/cultural sites, you all good on this?​

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- We are going to likely refuse to leave a sovereign country unless they pay us back for invading and destroying their country and then impose crippling sanctions on them. Like to hear people on record justifying this one in particular.​

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- Is already promising to continue the escalation tit for tat he started by unilaterally abandoning the nuclear agreement and is making it clear that their initial justification of this assassination being a deterrent was knowingly bullshirt. Its clear there is no coherent strategy here, and the administration is lying repeatedly about their justifications and so what is the defense here? Are you all ok with the president walking us into this situation? Lying to the US public?​

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- What is the strategy here? What do you believe is the outcome here? Are we still deluding ourselves that Iran is simply going to roll over and capitulate to the administration’s fantasies about total military and nuclear capitulation to America? How far are you willing to take this?​

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Also keep in mind that Iran has basically all but abandoned their adherence to the nuclear agreement they were still largely following, promising to accelerate their development once again. Which this whole exercise was supposed to be a better way of preventing this situation.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I want you to copy and quote where I said I heard reports out of Iran.

Do that and I will donate $20 to Andrus and this sight...

If you do not, Then I expect you to donate $20 to Andrus and the Sight.

So let's see what ya got.. I am waiting. I want to see you backup your claim.

Quit trying to split hairs Joe

“Heard a bunch or reports about the Iranian people being happy about it...”

You haven’t actually qualified this statement, and more importantly, offered why it matters?

And saying “the Iranian people” implies that is the majority opinion. Which if I actually cared to entertain this any further would be pretty hard to qualify. And certainly isn’t qualified by a story about three Americans from Iran living in LA being ok about this.

 

[Joe Okc]

Oh No.. another report of Iranian People being happy about the killing.

Iranian Americans rally in SF to celebrate killing of Iranian general

About two dozen Iranian Americans danced, sang and chanted in San Francisco’s Union...

www.sfchronicle.com

oh no.... and another.

Iranians Celebrate! Thank President Trump for Killing Soleimani Using Hashtag #TnxPOTUS4Soleimani | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

Iranians online are cheering the assassination of Iran Quds Force leader Major General Qassem Soleimani by a U.S.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

and just for the record... Here's a link to a news story about Happy Iranian People Dancing and putting it on youtube and receiving 91 lashes and jail time for doing it without the females wearing headscarfs... So you really think the Iranian Media is gonna report peoples joy for the killing of the General?

Iran: Happy video dancers sentenced to 91 lashes and jail

Six Iranians arrested for filming a video tribute to Pharrell Williams' song Happy are sentenced to 91 lashes and jail terms, their lawyer says.

www.bbc.com

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Oh No.. another report of Iranian People being happy about the killing.

Iranian Americans rally in SF to celebrate killing of Iranian general

About two dozen Iranian Americans danced, sang and chanted in San Francisco’s Union...

www.sfchronicle.com

oh no.... and another.

Iranians Celebrate! Thank President Trump for Killing Soleimani Using Hashtag #TnxPOTUS4Soleimani | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

Iranians online are cheering the assassination of Iran Quds Force leader Major General Qassem Soleimani by a U.S.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

and just for the record... Here's a link to a news story about Happy Iranian People Dancing and putting it on youtube and receiving 91 lashes and jail time for doing it without the females wearing headscarfs... So you really think the Iranian Media is gonna report peoples joy for the killing of the General?

Iran: Happy video dancers sentenced to 91 lashes and jail

Six Iranians arrested for filming a video tribute to Pharrell Williams' song Happy are sentenced to 91 lashes and jail terms, their lawyer says.

www.bbc.com

Again, you seem to struggle with how citizenship works Joe.

Your first article again quotes a handful of Americans of Iranian heritage Living in America.

Your next one is literally a fake news propaganda site citing unverified random twitter accounts.

You are acting desperate to make this narrative work and I am still unclear what you think it proves?

 

[Joe Okc]

Again, you seem to struggle with how citizenship works Joe.

Your first article again quotes a handful of Americans of Iranian heritage Living in America.

Your next one is literally a fake news propaganda site citing unverified random twitter accounts.

You are acting desperate to make this narrative work and I am still unclear what you think it proves?

Waiting for you to quote me saying I heard reports out of Iran like you said... But apparently you are not able to back up your claim.

BTW - Here's more.

Iranian here. The killing was justified. He deserves to die. I hope this is the start of something,

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Waiting for you to quote me saying I heard reports out of Iran like you said... But apparently you are not able to back up your claim.

BTW - Here's more.

Joe, you can have your immaterial gotcha, it doesn’t change that you have stated something that it appears you can’t back up and possibly made up.

So to tally this up Joe, to back up your initial claim that you heard “The Iranian People being happy about this” you have provided unverified Twitter handles from a disreputable source and one unverified reddit post?

Wasting how many pages now without even articulating why this is so important?

Unless you can provide substance to either of those things this is my last response on the matter. As it is a waste of time.

 

[SystemShock]

Anyways, something much more worthy of discussion:












Pretty un- forking - believable.

So lets summarize the things I would actualy be interested in hearing answers for from his defenders:

- We are declaring we are no longer better than terrorists and plan to target holy/cultural sites, you all good on this?​

​

- We are going to likely refuse to leave a sovereign country unless they pay us back for invading and destroying their country and then impose crippling sanctions on them. Like to hear people on record justifying this one in particular.​

​

- Is already promising to continue the escalation tit for tat he started by unilaterally abandoning the nuclear agreement and is making it clear that their initial justification of this assassination being a deterrent was knowingly bullshirt. Its clear there is no coherent strategy here, and the administration is lying repeatedly about their justifications and so what is the defense here? Are you all ok with the president walking us into this situation? Lying to the US public?​

​

- What is the strategy here? What do you believe is the outcome here? Are we still deluding ourselves that Iran is simply going to roll over and capitulate to the administration’s fantasies about total military and nuclear capitulation to America? How far are you willing to take this?​

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Well, at least Hezbollah is doing the right thing ​

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Hezbollah leader says U.S. military, not citizens, should be targeted in retaliatory attacks

Trump threatened to target Iranian cultural sites in a tweet Saturday night.

www.axios.com

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Also keep in mind that Iran has basically all but abandoned their adherence to the nuclear agreement they were still largely following, promising to accelerate their development once again. Which this whole exercise was supposed to be a better way of preventing this situation.

Why wouldn't they?

 

[Eeyore]

I think that the concentration camps are full of Hispanic babies right now. It's a good thing for these Persian Americans or they'd be rounded up in the interest of national security.

Iranian Americans returning to U.S. detained for hours at Blaine crossing, group says — but Customs and Border Protection says it’s not true

Reports of detentions at Blaine were widely circulated on social media.

www.seattletimes.com

Definition of DETAIN

to hold or keep in or as if in custody; to keep back (something due) : withhold; to restrain especially from proceeding… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

The government is claiming that these citizens were not "detained" because they were only held for ten hours.

Is there a more widely accepted dictionary than Webster's?

 

[N.O.Bronco]

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Well, at least Hezbollah is doing the right thing ​

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Hezbollah leader says U.S. military, not citizens, should be targeted in retaliatory attacks

Trump threatened to target Iranian cultural sites in a tweet Saturday night.

www.axios.com

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Why wouldn't they?

Yeah, it is really crazy that the Iranians and Hezbollah are able to look like the adults in the room at this point By simply playing off Trump’s insane posturing.

And I agree, I was saying the other day that you have to imagine other adversaries are looking at this situation and concluding it makes no sense to trust America as an honest broker and that you are better off being North Korea than Libya or Iran.

 

[The moose]

We assassinated Admiral Yamamoto.

Ahh were we at a bit more than we are here it was WWII for crying out loud.

Not what I would consider that assassinated.

 

[dtc]

The only place I ever see code pink given meaningful airtime is Foxnews..

They are more a favorite conservative straw man than protesters.

Hell, I'm known as one of the old board's liberals and I first heard about them from DD.

They were and are irrelevant except for being useful idiots to be clowned by the right.