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EmBeeFiveOhFour · Nov 18, 2019

The football board had the very useful Daily Trump Tracker thread, which was a good place to briefly discuss the latest ridiculous thing that might have ended 97% of prior Presidential administrations even if it didn't necessarily justify an entire thread devoted to it in 2017-2019 (because of the sheer volume of these things). Since I don't see anything like that here already, I'll add one myself.

Eeyore · Jan 12, 2020

I don't know where else to put this.

The UK is abandoning its alliance with Trump as the United States 'withdraws from its leadership around the world'

President Donald Trump's order to kill Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani has triggered a major rupture between the US and its closest ally.

www.businessinsider.com

I never would have thought that he could manage this. Putin is getting his money's worth.

The moose · Jan 12, 2020

Eeyore said:
I don't know where else to put this.

The UK is abandoning its alliance with Trump as the United States 'withdraws from its leadership around the world'
President Donald Trump's order to kill Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani has triggered a major rupture between the US and its closest ally.
www.businessinsider.com

I never would have thought that he could manage this. Putin is getting his money's worth.

Yeah I would think that Russia loves the isolationist foreign policy we now display to the world.

It makes us weaker in everything we do.

RobF · Jan 13, 2020

Optimus Prime said:
FWIW and I don’t know when this is from

I got you @Optimus Prime. As it says in the image it's a YouGov survey, carried out on behalf of dpa (a German news agency), and it's from December. Newsweek covered it amongst others: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germans-putin-kim-1479235

The moose · Jan 13, 2020

RobF said:
I got you @Optimus Prime. As it says in the image it's a YouGov survey, carried out on behalf of dpa (a German news agency), and it's from December. Newsweek covered it amongst others: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germans-putin-kim-1479235

Thanks was gonna try and search for it but forgot.

That was a good read

superchuck500 · Jan 13, 2020

Dadsdream · Jan 13, 2020

RobF said:
I got you @Optimus Prime. As it says in the image it's a YouGov survey, carried out on behalf of dpa (a German news agency), and it's from December. Newsweek covered it amongst others: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germans-putin-kim-1479235

Ever since the bogus Koran Flushing story that ended with people dying in riots in the Middle East, I don't read Newsweek or recommend it as a news source. It's now part of the Newsweek/Daily Beast family. The name says it all.

CNN.com - Newsweek retracts Quran story - May 16, 2005

www.cnn.com

The moose · Jan 13, 2020

Dadsdream said:
Ever since the bogus Koran Flushing story that ended with people dying in riots in the Middle East, I don't read Newsweek or recommend it as a news source. It's now part of the Newsweek/Daily Beast family. The name says it all.

CNN.com - Newsweek retracts Quran story - May 16, 2005
www.cnn.com

Sweet graph who puts it out?

What way do they lean?

How about you post a link to them kinda want to know what they say about pajama media and others posted here.

Do you have anything else Newsweek did that was horrible and wrong in say the last 15 years?

Dadsdream · Jan 13, 2020

The moose said:
Sweet graph who puts it out?

What way do they lean?

How about you post a link to them kinda want to know what they say about pajama media and others posted here.

Do you have anything else Newsweek did that was horrible and wrong in say the last 15 years?

Hi, Moose. No problem.

Source: Media Bias/FactCheck
Leaning: They're linked here on the site as a fact checking source and have been repeatedly cited as accurate by liberal posters here.
Link: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/

Horrible and wrong things done by Newsweek in recent years:

From Expensing Yachts to Chasing The Onion: I Watched the Newsweekly Die From the Inside

Newsweek is in shambles. Time moved to Des Moines. Is it my fault?

www.politico.com

Did U.S. military send warship to Israel? Newsweek retracted the story - iMediaEthics

Reporting on politically volatile regions, such as the Middle East, requires extra vigilance in getting the facts straight and accurately reporting while

www.imediaethics.org

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...le-claiming-russian-bots-took-down-al-franken

Newsweek Retracts Story on Marilou Danley, Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock's Companion

An individual familiar with Newsweek's operations says it needs more editors

www.thewrap.com

Nice talking with you, as always.
Dadsdream

The moose · Jan 13, 2020

Dadsdream said:
Hi, Moose. No problem.

Source: Media Bias/FactCheck
Leaning: They're linked here on the site as a fact checking source and have been repeatedly cited as accurate by liberal posters here.
Link: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/

Horrible and wrong things done by Newsweek in recent years:

From Expensing Yachts to Chasing The Onion: I Watched the Newsweekly Die From the Inside
Newsweek is in shambles. Time moved to Des Moines. Is it my fault?
www.politico.com

Did U.S. military send warship to Israel? Newsweek retracted the story - iMediaEthics
Reporting on politically volatile regions, such as the Middle East, requires extra vigilance in getting the facts straight and accurately reporting while
www.imediaethics.org
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...le-claiming-russian-bots-took-down-al-franken

Newsweek Retracts Story on Marilou Danley, Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock's Companion
An individual familiar with Newsweek's operations says it needs more editors
www.thewrap.com

Nice talking with you, as always.
Dadsdream

Thanks.

The whole thing about those types of things without knowing who they are a graph is useless.

I am sure most news groups think they land square in the middle not matter who they are and they don't.

That also applies to people rating them they have their middle also.

superchuck500 · Jan 13, 2020

Newsweek has gone through a very unfortunate cycle. It included wholesale staff firing, criminal investigations of ownership deals, and abandonment of journalist principles in the name of click bait.

It seems like it's trying to make a new start and I'm not sure of what the new organization or editorial philosophy is. But given how low it sunk, it's going to take time to recover real credibility.

The moose · Jan 13, 2020

superchuck500 said:
Newsweek has gone through a very unfortunate cycle. It included wholesale staff firing, criminal investigations of ownership deals, and abandonment of journalist principles in the name of click bait.

It seems like it's trying to make a new start and I'm not sure of what the new organization or editorial philosophy is. But given how low it sunk, it's going to take time to recover real credibility.

Yeah lots are having a hard time in the digital age.

Heck you don't even have magazines in doctors offices anymore.

Not that that is an excuse for shoddy work I just don't know how publishers do it anymore.

Dadsdream · Jan 13, 2020

The moose said:
Yeah lots are having a hard time in the digital age.

Heck you don't even have magazines in doctors offices anymore.

Not that that is an excuse for shoddy work I just don't know how publishers do it anymore.

You can't imagine how low they went, until you read this:

Matthew Cooper was a senior writer at Newsweek and is a contributing editor of The Washington Monthly and Washingtonian.

It was 3 a.m. on Saturday, and I was seething. Staring at my phone, I saw that my company, Newsweek Media Group, had put out yet another story that would require a correction if not a retraction. This time it was a story ripped from The Onion. We were treating the fake news as if it were real. OFFS, I tapped under a friend’s Facebook post after seeing it, short for Oh, For F***’s Sake. The headline in our sister publication, the International Business Times: “Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Set Up Wedding Registry at London’s Target.” Despite the late hour, I dropped a note to an editor who took the story down off the website. You can see the link on Google, but if you click, you’ll get “Error 404. PAGE NOT FOUND.” There’s no correction, which is what a normal news company might post.

Yeah, when a real news organization runs a story from The Onion as being real, that's as low as it gets.
You might as well have run a Mad Magazine expose. :hihi:

samiam5211 · Jan 13, 2020

Dadsdream said:
You can't imagine how low they went, until you read this:

Matthew Cooper was a senior writer at Newsweek and is a contributing editor of The Washington Monthly and Washingtonian.

It was 3 a.m. on Saturday, and I was seething. Staring at my phone, I saw that my company, Newsweek Media Group, had put out yet another story that would require a correction if not a retraction. This time it was a story ripped from The Onion. We were treating the fake news as if it were real. OFFS, I tapped under a friend’s Facebook post after seeing it, short for Oh, For F***’s Sake. The headline in our sister publication, the International Business Times: “Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Set Up Wedding Registry at London’s Target.” Despite the late hour, I dropped a note to an editor who took the story down off the website. You can see the link on Google, but if you click, you’ll get “Error 404. PAGE NOT FOUND.” There’s no correction, which is what a normal news company might post.

Yeah, when a real news organization runs a story from The Onion as being real, that's as low as it gets.
You might as well have run a Mad Magazine expose.

I'm sure they met the story with the proper amount of editorial scrutiny, but once they realized that The Onion, Cracked, and Mad Magazine all had similar stories, they had to rush it to the presses or risk looking foolish.

RobF · Jan 13, 2020

Dadsdream said:
Ever since the bogus Koran Flushing story that ended with people dying in riots in the Middle East, I don't read Newsweek or recommend it as a news source.

OK? But unless you think it's plausible Newsweek invented a fake YouGov poll and attributed it to dpa - which it clearly is not - I think they're a reasonable source to confirm the source of the poll in the FoxNews screencap in @Optimus Prime's post. Depending on the nature of the content, a source considered biased generally can still be useful. Context matters.

If you really want another source for confirmation, here's the same from dpa's international site. Since it's the poll that's relevant in this particular thread. And not Newsweek.

Dadsdream · Jan 13, 2020

RobF said:
OK? But unless you think it's plausible Newsweek invented a fake YouGov poll and attributed it to dpa - which it clearly is not - I think they're a reasonable source to confirm the source of the poll in the FoxNews screencap in @Optimus Prime's post. Depending on the nature of the content, a source considered biased generally can still be useful. Context matters.

If you really want another source for confirmation, here's the same from dpa's international site. Since it's the poll that's relevant in this particular thread. And not Newsweek.

I disagree. I wouldn't trust a second-hand quote from Newsweek if it came from the Pope himself.
But, that's me.

Dadsdream · Jan 13, 2020

samiam5211 said:
I'm sure they met the story with the proper amount of editorial scrutiny, but once they realized that The Onion, Cracked, and Mad Magazine all had similar stories, they had to rush it to the presses or risk looking foolish.

Putting it out there is one thing. Taking it down without a retraction once they realized the source is as dishonest as it gets for legitimate news sources.

No, I don't cite Newsweek unless it's to show how not to report news honestly.

JimEverett · Jan 13, 2020

Eeyore said:
I don't know where else to put this.

The UK is abandoning its alliance with Trump as the United States 'withdraws from its leadership around the world'
President Donald Trump's order to kill Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani has triggered a major rupture between the US and its closest ally.
www.businessinsider.com

I never would have thought that he could manage this. Putin is getting his money's worth.

Where is the UK going to go?
The UK already seemed skeptical of a European Common Defense Force a decade-plus ago. Now with Brexit it seems even more remote that the UK will play any role in a common defense of the continent.

Or, and perhaps this is an underlying reason for the comment - will the UK use defense as a negotiating point on Brexit?

donato · Jan 13, 2020

I remember when the U.S. had allies lolz. So much winning. Actions have consequences.

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