I couldn’t find a thread just about this case, and thought we should have one since it’s Trump’s first criminal trial. He has to attend every day, as I understand it. Here is a quick reminder of what it’s about. His former lawyer Michael Cohen already went to prison for his involvement in this case.
Trump Election Interference / Falsification of Business Records Criminal Trial (1 Viewer)
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And yet, he will do it anyway.The People of the State of New York v Donald J Trump will conclude, according to long-established court procedure.
The former US president’s defense attorney will make a closing argument. He will assert that his client is not guilty of the charges of bribery and business fraud to manipulate the 2016 election.
Judge Juan Merchan will issue his instructions to the jurors. They will deliberate. When they emerge, the foreperson will read the verdict in open court. If Trump is found guilty, Merchan will adjourn to a later date for sentencing.
If Trump is found guilty on all 34 felony counts, he could theoretically face a maximum of 136 years in prison.
Post-conviction, the major question would be whether his sentencing involves actual imprisonment, probation, a fine, or some combination, along with various parole arrangements.
To be sure, Trump would then almost certainly file an appeal, but this would not forestall his immediately incurring certain civil disabilities. Above all, he would instantly lose his right to vote.
The first former president ever to be convicted of a crime would also be the first disenfranchised felon to be nominated by a major party.
In this current electoral cycle, Trump has managed to pass himself off as a normal candidate despite separate juries finding him to be a rapist and a fraudster.
But those were civil cases. A criminal verdict may crack Trump’s aura of magical legal invincibility intrinsic to his image as a strongman.
In the grand ritual of election day 2024, surrounded by the clicking cameras of the press corps, assuming he is still out on appeal, Trump could tag along with his wife Melania, a naturalized citizen, to the polls in Palm Beach, but he could not enter a voting booth. He could not vote for himself, or anyone else, for any office…….
Trump used to scold felons who wanted to vote. Now he could be in the same spot | Sidney Blumenthal
If criminally convicted in New York, Trump will face legal humiliations of the sort he loves when applied to other peoplewww.theguardian.com
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Seeing the Trump acolytes out there crying that this case is over-charged and had it not been Trump, anyone else would have been able to accept a misdemeanor or two and put an end to it before it began.
Okay maybe, but that's because a typical defendant in this case would have begun plea negotiations quickly, perhaps even before the charges and pled down the case. Donald Trump did very much the opposite, banking on the idea that they wouldn't charge him for fear of political and social fallout, and then when they did, he went on the attack - personal attack against the people involved - like he always does. Donald Trump would never plea to misdemeanor crimes, that means he has to affirmatively say he was guilty . . . the man whose mantra is "I did nothing wrong"? It's pure nonsene.
It can't be both ways. It can't be that Trump shouldn't be charged or tried because he's the Republican presidential candidate, or that he enjoys presidential immunity, or that he's too famous to get an impartial jury or whatever else but then also it's such a shame that this isn't going like it would in most other cases . . . it's because of him and how he insists on operating. This AG office files business records crime cases to the tune of hundreds a year. I read that they filed like 40 some odd similar cases against New York defendants in the same quarter reported for the quarter of the Trump charges.
Okay maybe, but that's because a typical defendant in this case would have begun plea negotiations quickly, perhaps even before the charges and pled down the case. Donald Trump did very much the opposite, banking on the idea that they wouldn't charge him for fear of political and social fallout, and then when they did, he went on the attack - personal attack against the people involved - like he always does. Donald Trump would never plea to misdemeanor crimes, that means he has to affirmatively say he was guilty . . . the man whose mantra is "I did nothing wrong"? It's pure nonsene.
It can't be both ways. It can't be that Trump shouldn't be charged or tried because he's the Republican presidential candidate, or that he enjoys presidential immunity, or that he's too famous to get an impartial jury or whatever else but then also it's such a shame that this isn't going like it would in most other cases . . . it's because of him and how he insists on operating. This AG office files business records crime cases to the tune of hundreds a year. I read that they filed like 40 some odd similar cases against New York defendants in the same quarter reported for the quarter of the Trump charges.
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"Anyone else" Who is this "anyone else" that was running for President at the time?
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Fair but that's really only the context (and some of the predicate "other criminal activity") - the felony charges themselves are falsifying business records, which are quite common.
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I saw Trump's comments before he went into the courtroom and his "political persecution" spiel was classic Trump messaging to his supporters.
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Apparently Trump's legal team request/motion for recusal was denied by the judge.
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they have filed so many crap things. its all they have and they know it. when you have crap lawyers and a crap defense.
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Wait...there's a gag order, yet a Trump attorney just commented on the case live on CNN... isn't that a violation of the gag order? And the attorney complained that the judge shouldn't be sitting on this case and should have recused himself. He even commented on a witness, Karen McDougal, being irrelevant to the case.
I mean, if I'm the judge, I'm sanctioning the lawyer for violating the gag order.
I mean, if I'm the judge, I'm sanctioning the lawyer for violating the gag order.
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Is McDougal a witness in this case? If not, then he likely didn't violate the gag order. I think criticizing the judge is okay.
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She has been identified as a witness and it is believed that the prosecution will introduce some testimony regarding the "catch and kill" process - including Daniels and McDougal.
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I think the bigger problem for Trump re: the gag order is what he posted over the weekend about Cohen.
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Yeah, I haven't seen those. Interesting.
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The judge should put Trump in jail for the duration of the trial. It is the only way that he can prevent Trump's violations of court orders.
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Never happen. I'd love to see it tho.
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The judge hasn't even sanctioned him for one violation much less more than one. I think he would have to start there and threaten to make it worse before he just concludes that Trump needs to be jailed.
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im just here for the lunch break lol
Yeah, they just introduced motions for sanctions asking for $1000 fines for each of three social media posts, also asking the judge to remind Trump that further violations could result in jail time. I would expect they'd have to have repeat violations and a series of escalating fines before they would jail him for contempt.
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