Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

In a pair of significant decisions, the Florida Supreme Court ruled Monday to uphold a 15-week ban on abortion in the state, while also allowing a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution to appear on the November ballot.

The conservative-leaning court's decision on the 15-week ban also means that a six-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother, that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year will take effect.

But the bench's ruling to allow the constitutional amendment to appear on the ballot this fall means voters will have a chance in just seven months to undo those restrictions.

A 15-week ban still allows this situation to happen:

Since the entire tweet doesn’t show up:

A woman, unable to get an abortion due to deadly anti-abortion laws had to carry to term a baby that was found to have no kidneys at 24 weeks.

I’ll say that part again, no kidneys and was forced to carry the baby for an additional 13 weeks until she gave birth.

Deborah Dorbert’s son Milo died in her arms shortly after birth just like the doctors said would happen.

Forced to carry, knowing there was no chance of survival. Then watching a baby gasp for air and die.

What part of that scenario is pro-life? The walking around for 13 weeks knowing your baby is going to die? Oh wait, is it the part where the baby took one breath and died?

“Death on delivery.”

That’s not governing it’s torture. #DemsUnited

MT15 said:

What part of that scenario is pro-life? The walking around for 13 weeks knowing your baby is going to die? Oh wait, is it the part where the baby took one breath and died?

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its never been pro life thats the biggest lie its pro control. little pissants eating power over others even though no where in the Bible is that something thats ok.

And the GOP continues to lie.

MT15 said:

Since the entire tweet doesn’t show up:

A woman, unable to get an abortion due to deadly anti-abortion laws had to carry to term a baby that was found to have no kidneys at 24 weeks.

I’ll say that part again, no kidneys and was forced to carry the baby for an additional 13 weeks until she gave birth.

Deborah Dorbert’s son Milo died in her arms shortly after birth just like the doctors said would happen.

Forced to carry, knowing there was no chance of survival. Then watching a baby gasp for air and die.

What part of that scenario is pro-life? The walking around for 13 weeks knowing your baby is going to die? Oh wait, is it the part where the baby took one breath and died?

“Death on delivery.”

That’s not governing it’s torture. #DemsUnited

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We talk about how terrible this is for these women, the fathers of the baby, the parents of both

When the doctors are talked about it seems it’s mostly about the legal exposure they face and that’s why they are leaving these states

Not to say anyone has it worse than the women forced to go through this but there is an emotional toll on the doctors as well

To know there is no way a baby is going to survive and there’s nothing that can be done to help, to deliver a baby that will spend its very short life in agonizing pain, to watch the parents experience that

There’s only so much of that you can take

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Florida Supreme Court allows 6-week abortion ban to take effect, but voters will have the final say

The state Supreme Court ruled that a proposed amendment to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution can appear on the ballot in November.

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In a pair of significant decisions, the Florida Supreme Court ruled Monday to uphold a 15-week ban on abortion in the state, while also allowing a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution to appear on the November ballot.

The conservative-leaning court's decision on the 15-week ban also means that a six-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother, that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year will take effect.

But the bench's ruling to allow the constitutional amendment to appear on the ballot this fall means voters will have a chance in just seven months to undo those restrictions.

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That should put Cheato in a froth.

The US supreme court justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas cited the Comstock Act, named after the 19th-century anti-vice campaigner Anthony Comstock, in last week’s case about access to the abortion pill mifepristone.

If you don’t know who Anthony Comstock was or what his law did, that might not have alarmed you. But it should have.

The Comstock Law has come up a lot lately, and it’s part of the Republican war on sex, and to put it that way might sound overly dramatic. But there is such a war, and parts of it – against sex education, against access to birth control, against the healthcare provider Planned Parenthood and of course against abortion – have long been out in the open along with a war against the rights of women and on the rights and very existence of queer and trans people.

Comstock was reputed to be driven by religious shame over masturbation to become his era’s most extreme anti-sex crusader. He rose to prominence in the early 1870s, when he convinced Congress to make it a crime to advertise, sell or mail contraceptives or give out contraceptive information, even orally, or to mail anything “immoral” – a term whose vagueness allowed widespread prosecution, including of a feminist newspaper reporting on sexual abuse whose prominent publishers, Victoria Woodhull and Tennessee Claflin, he got sent to prison. Like modern-day rightwingers he was a book-burner, and he boasted that he had driven 15 people to suicide.

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” is a handy quote and it does seem to describe well Donald Trump, who has hugged a lot of US flags onstage and last week was hawking Christian nationalist Bibles. But if fascism really comes to America, it won’t come just as a single figure. It will come sneaking in, as local, state and federal laws and the gradual erosion of rights pushed by many players at many levels. In fact it has been coming at us all along. It is right now, among other things, a full-fledged anti-sex movement.


Too many people thought that Roe v Wade wouldn’t really be overturned just like they thought Trump wouldn’t really be elected. The assumption that norms will persist is these days a dangerous obtuseness, whether it’s about climate, domestic policy, society or the international order. While the backlash to Roe’s June 2022 overturning has been spectacular, with Democratic election victories and blue-state legislation strengthening reproductive rights, that doesn’t spare women in red states from the horrific consequences of the decision.

At this point we all know they include prosecution for miscarriages suspected of being abortions, let alone for actual abortions, and lack of timely care from medical providers, who, fearful of prosecution themselves, sometimes wait for miscarrying patients to go critical from infection or loss of blood before offering care. As the law journalist Mark Joseph Stern tweeted on 27 March, “The anti-abortion movement’s end goal is to let doctors refuse treatment – including life-saving emergency care – for patients whom they deem to be sinful and morally impure.” The patients, largely women, are supposed to die for their sins.

As if that weren’t enough, in May 2023, the Heritage Foundation declared on social media, “Conservatives have to lead the way in restoring sex to its true purpose, & ending recreational sex & senseless use of birth control pills.” It’s a fanatical statement: the vast majority of sex had by the vast majority of human beings does not have reproduction as its goal, though the term recreational disparages what can be a joy, a profound connection, or a transcendence of self, among other things.

The far right the Heritage Foundation belongs to is, nevertheless, driving toward this goal by striving to take away birth control and abortion to make sex punitively risky for anyone who might get pregnant. Taking away women’s reproductive freedom takes away other freedoms, social, economic and educational, and rebuilds a society of gender inequality, which is clearly the goal. The right has also made noise about ending no-fault divorce and marriage equality, and introduced hundreds of anti-trans bills this year and last.…..

zztop said:

Florida Supreme Court allows 6-week abortion ban to take effect, but voters will have the final say

The state Supreme Court ruled that a proposed amendment to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution can appear on the ballot in November.

www.nbcnews.com

In a pair of significant decisions, the Florida Supreme Court ruled Monday to uphold a 15-week ban on abortion in the state, while also allowing a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution to appear on the November ballot.

The conservative-leaning court's decision on the 15-week ban also means that a six-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother, that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year will take effect.

But the bench's ruling to allow the constitutional amendment to appear on the ballot this fall means voters will have a chance in just seven months to undo those restrictions.

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Their so called exceptions don't exist.

When all the abortion providers and facilities that provide that medical care are gone from the state, who will perform that abortion?

There are no exceptions. When there is no doctor who can perform the abortion and no facility that provides the care, there are no exceptions.

zztop said:

Florida Supreme Court allows 6-week abortion ban to take effect, but voters will have the final say

The state Supreme Court ruled that a proposed amendment to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution can appear on the ballot in November.

www.nbcnews.com

In a pair of significant decisions, the Florida Supreme Court ruled Monday to uphold a 15-week ban on abortion in the state, while also allowing a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution to appear on the November ballot.

The conservative-leaning court's decision on the 15-week ban also means that a six-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother, that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year will take effect.

But the bench's ruling to allow the constitutional amendment to appear on the ballot this fall means voters will have a chance in just seven months to undo those restrictions.

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Doesn't matter if its on the ballot. When the vote happens and its not in the GOP favor (pretty sure it won't be) they will just pass a bill to overide it somehow.

Bigdaddysaints said:

Doesn't matter if its on the ballot. When the vote happens and its not in the GOP favor (pretty sure it won't be) they will just pass a bill to overide it somehow.

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No no! No! Republicans are not that antidemocratic! They would never. There's no precedence for what you say.

Oh wait....it's Florida....man.

And what is most important to remember: overturning Roe isn’t their end goal, it’s only the beginning. They will keep going erasing rights unless they are stopped. IVF, birth control, voting rights for the “wrong” people. They want total domination - they want a church state where churches control our lives. Roe was just their first step.

MT15 said:

And what is most important to remember: overturning Roe isn’t their end goal, it’s only the beginning. They will keep going erasing rights unless they are stopped. IVF, birth control, voting rights for the “wrong” people. They want total domination - they want a church state where churches control our lives. Roe was just their first step.

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yep, what they want is the "christian" version of Sharia Law. the won't call it that, but thats what they want.

In January 2023, whenever Kathryn Archer took her young daughter out to the local playground in Nashville, Tennessee, strangers often noticed her visibly pregnant stomach and wanted to make small talk.

“When are you due?” they would ask Archer. “Do you know if you’re having a boy or a girl?” “Oh, I bet your daughter’s so excited to be a big sister.”

Archer did not know how to tell them the truth: in early January, Archer’s fetus had been diagnosed with several serious anomalies that made a miscarriage likely. If Archer did give birth, her baby could only be treated with surgeries and lifelong help – pain that Archer was unwilling to put a newborn through. Without those surgeries, which the infant might not survive, Archer’s baby would die shortly after birth.


But due to Tennessee’s near-total abortion ban, Archer could not terminate her pregnancy in her home state and, instead, had to wait more than three weeks for an appointment at an out-of-state abortion clinic.

“I don’t want to confide in a stranger that I’m having to get an abortion because my baby can’t survive outside of my womb and I can’t get the care that I need as soon as I need it,” Archer recalled thinking. “Those three weeks were really bizarre, challenging, painful – beyond what it needed to be.”……..

Optimus Prime said:

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Abortion, and weed being on the ballot won't hurt Biden. It's pretty much if you don't get this time, it's just not a swing state. Democrats did lose this state while a bunch of liberal policies pasted last time though. You shouldn't be shocked if Biden narrowly loses, but abortion, and weed win hugely.

The idea that states can decide was a lie. They are openly advocating for a national ban now. And this guy also says he’s open to “anything” to keep women from traveling out of state to get health care.