The Impeachment Process Has Officially Begun (13 Viewers)

I like how Nunes can manage to contradict his own logic three times in the same sentence. Weaving back and forth.

Paraphrasing:

The Democrats have wanted to impeach Trump for whatever they could since the day Trump won, also, the Democrats were scared to impeach Trump on Russia because it didnt have the goods, but also, Democrats areimpeaching on Ukraine because despite how ridiculous, they have wanted any excuse to impeach.

It’s literally just Fox News mad libs. Making sure you hit every talking point, no matter how nonsensically they are used together.

BobE said:

if I have to hear an EC landslide one more time I might lose my shirt. Reagan/Mondale was a damn EC landslide. Trump just beat Hillary.

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Tell me about it. If you lined up all of the elections we have had in terms of how one-sided the EC victory was, from biggest to smallest margin, Trump ranks 46th (I think it is) out of 58, with 56.50% of the electoral votes

For comparison:

1980: Reagan (9th with 90.89%)
1984: Reagan (5th with 97.58%) --- That's crazy
1988: H.W. Bush (22nd with 79.18%)
1992: Clinton (30th with 68.77%)
1996: Clinton (28th with 70.45%)
2000: W. Bush (56th with 50.37%)
2004: W. Bush (52nd with 53.16%)
2008: Obama (32nd with 67.84%)
2012: Obama (37th with 61.71%)

Please forgive me mods, but I think this fits regarding Schiff's closing statement.


I think dude has been going on for almost 30 minutes.

DJ1BigTymer said:

Please forgive me mods, but I think this fits regarding Schiff's closing statement.

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I turned on Four Weddings. Also is this it for today or will there be more tonight?

BobE said:

I turned on Four Weddings. Also is this it for today or will there be more tonight?

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I think they are all done in the Intel Committee. I think their next step is to vote it out of their committee to the Judicial Committee for Articles of Impeachment.

DJ1BigTymer said:

Please forgive me mods, but I think this fits regarding Schiff's closing statement.


I think dude has been going on for almost 30 minutes.

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I was listening and kept wondering to myself "this is the longest damn 5 minutes I've ever experienced" I had to retract my steps and make sure I hadn't accidentally chewed on an edible.

Well one side benefit of Ukrainegate is that Laura got a tweet from Dan Rather. Some young people might not know who Rather is, but all young journalists do.

Very cool, st dude.

MT15 said:

Very cool, st dude.

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Yes thanks MT, no matter your politics getting a tweet from Dan Rather is pretty cool. He is to my generation what Walter Cronkite was to my parents.

I like David Muir now. He does a good job.

st dude said:

Well one side benefit of Ukrainegate is that Laura got a tweet from Dan Rather. Some young people might not know who Rather is, but all young journalists do.

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Oh that's really cool.

st dude said:

Well one side benefit of Ukrainegate is that Laura got a tweet from Dan Rather. Some young people might not know who Rather is, but all young journalists do.

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Oh god, I'm old

buzd said:

Oh god, I'm old

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Well I fudged s little bit in saying Cronkite belonged to my parents generation. Walter Cronkite retired in 1981 and then Rather took over for the next 24 years. Rather would have still been on when Laura was a teenager, but I doubt she watched much news back then. I well remember Conkrite. I can’t think of any newsman since Rather and Conkrite that ever achieved the status they did.

Looks like the overall public sentiment is waning.



Republicans with a baby bump again.. probably just within the noise of the data.



Still higher support to "begin impeachment".





Overall, still a pretty noticeable jump after the Ukraine scandal surfaced.

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st dude said:

Well one side benefit of Ukrainegate is that Laura got a tweet from Dan Rather. Some young people might not know who Rather is, but all young journalists do.

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That's so cool! I am a huge Dan Rather fan.

Hill really lays this out.

wardorican said:

Looks like the overall public sentiment is waning.

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It's amazing that the average American's attention span is so short that if you can't have a trial, vote and move forward within a day or two, they're off to the next shiny object. Trump has done countless things that would have absolutely destroyed any other president or presidential candidate, yet our attention span is so short and in need of excitement, that it no longer bothers us as a whole group. We're outraged for a day or two, then we go back to apathy, then something else happens and we're outraged, then back to apathy. For each lull in our outrage over things that previously would have been the end of someone's political career, we seem to forget or dismiss what happened previously.

I was having dinner with my mother the other night and the impeachment topic came up. Now, she's in general a Republican voter, but can be moved from time to time to vote other if the candidate isn't right. When we discussed the impeachment, her thoughts were that it's been going on for too long now and that she just rather them drop the whole thing because she's tired of hearing about it. I asked if that meant she was fine with what Trump did and she stated no, she thought it was something really corrupt to do, but she still just didn't care enough to be bombarded daily with new information. She'd rather just go about her daily routine, watch her shows, get more "happy" related news and live her life. Since this isn't something directly affecting her, and they can't just open/shut case this thing and move forward, there's no need to even have the hearings/trial anyway. I've seen several people on this forums and heard other people personally discussing this same idea. "Why should I care? This doesn't affect me. If he had done something really bad, they'd already been done." People seem to forget that the Clinton impeachment process started in October and ended in February.

xpuma20x said:

It's amazing that the average American's attention span is so short that if you can't have a trial, vote and move forward within a day or two, they're off to the next shiny object. Trump has done countless things that would have absolutely destroyed any other president or presidential candidate, yet our attention span is so short and in need of excitement, that it no longer bothers us as a whole group. We're outraged for a day or two, then we go back to apathy, then something else happens and we're outraged, then back to apathy. For each lull in our outrage over things that previously would have been the end of someone's political career, we seem to forget or dismiss what happened previously.

I was having dinner with my mother the other night and the impeachment topic came up. Now, she's in general a Republican voter, but can be moved from time to time to vote other if the candidate isn't right. When we discussed the impeachment, her thoughts were that it's been going on for too long now and that she just rather them drop the whole thing because she's tired of hearing about it. I asked if that meant she was fine with what Trump did and she stated no, she thought it was something really corrupt to do, but she still just didn't care enough to be bombarded daily with new information. She'd rather just go about her daily routine, watch her shows, get more "happy" related news and live her life. Since this isn't something directly affecting her, and they can't just open/shut case this thing and move forward, there's no need to even have the hearings/trial anyway. I've seen several people on this forums and heard other people personally discussing this same idea. "Why should I care? This doesn't affect me. If he had done something really bad, they'd already been done." People seem to forget that the Clinton impeachment process started in October and ended in February.

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I couldn't agree with you more. There is really no room to deny the facts of what happened. I was listening to a Republican Congressman from Louisiana on NPR this morning trying to spin this as Trump just being concerned about corruption, after all the evidence we've heard, and he just kept tying himself in knots trying to explain it away. It's ludicrous. We all know exactly what Trump was trying to do, it's exactly what he's accused off and absolutely worthy of impeachment.

The only reason Trump isn't going to be found guilty of impeachment (and there isn't more support for it) is because Republican constituents care more about the president and party staying in power than being true patriots or are to busy to care (because this is bad for their party). And also because some democrats and many independents just don't want to deal with the hassle of furthering the impeachment drama knowing Republicans in the Senate will just stonewall everything, obfuscate and vote to protect Trump regardless.

Truly a moment, as a country, where we all collectively are responsible for failing to stand up and protect the constitution. History will not be kind.