Does Trump ever do any jail time? (3 Viewers)

wardorican said:

Willfully is the key part. Easy to argue he's a dolt.

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Willfully is pretty easy. Unless I'm mistaken, "willfully" means that the individual knew it was illegal and did it anyway. It's going to be hard to prove that Mr ButteryMails didn't know it was illegal to take classified information and store it in your home.

This is just too funny to not share.

McCarthy doesn’t even know what the search warrant was for yet, presumably. But more than willing to carry Trump‘s water like the spineless jellyfish that he is.

FullMonte said:

Willfully is pretty easy. Unless I'm mistaken, "willfully" means that the individual knew it was illegal and did it anyway. It's going to be hard to prove that Mr ButteryMails didn't know it was illegal to take classified information and store it in your home.

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I’ve always heard that ignorance of the law was no excuse

FullMonte said:

Willfully is pretty easy. Unless I'm mistaken, "willfully" means that the individual knew it was illegal and did it anyway. It's going to be hard to prove that Mr ButteryMails didn't know it was illegal to take classified information and store it in your home.

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I don't think so - it's not simply classified information, it's material that is subject to the Presidential Records Act and is a very big deal at the White House, everyone knows what it is. And every time an administration ends, there is a whole protocol that is followed to ensure that all covered records (which is just about everything) is collected and kept at the archive. There is zero chance he didn't know about and I'm sure there are counsel and White House records officials that can testify about it.

I know an attorney is in the civilian (non-political) service at the Executive Office of the President, which is basically the federal agency that runs the White House and works in tandem with the president's appointed staff. The Presidential Records Act and the way it is handled at the White House actually causes problems in some of their legal cases because records that are relevant to the case were caught up in the end-of-administration archiving process and there's a bunch of hoops they have to jump through to get it back. She says it's an enormous pain in the arse, but very much how the White House operates.

There's zero chance Trump wasn't told his materials had to be archived under the law. If this is indeed what the FBI was after, this story has been percolating a while and it's quite possible that the Attorney General simply elected to go get it back. It doesn't belong to Trump.

The whole "disqualified for office" thing is in the law but it seems a stretch to me that that's what DOJ is actually gunning for here. A records act violation to knock Trump out of running again seems pretty weak. But who knows.

Well, it’s good to see that MAGA world isn’t overreacting or anything.

MT15 said:

Well, it’s good to see that MAGA world isn’t overreacting or anything.

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Also extremely stupid because it's nonsense - you can't remove federal law enforcement exercising federal authority in your state unless you secede.

Screw Kevin McCarthy and all these forkers defending Trump.

And, right on time, LOL

This made me laugh...

Good thread, I think.

Concurrence that there was probably some recent intelligence to justify the search warrant, not just tying up loose ends from previous document searches.

MT15 said:

Good thread, I think.

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It's sensible, but she says she's assuming it's about national security information. We don't know that to be true.

This appears to be relevant history.

Last one, I promise, lol:

MT15 said:

Last one, I promise, lol:

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On July 5, 2016, five months before the election, FBI Director Comey announced that the FBI had made a prosecutorial referral to DOJ regarding the investigation of Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email system during her tenure at the State Department.

Then on October 28, 2016, just 11 days before the election - Comey announced to Congress that the FBI was reopening the criminal investigation for further analysis.