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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    brandon said:
    Point of order: the KKK has always been a far-right organization. Republicans moved to the right to join them. Democrats moved left and away from them.
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    Well, I see it as being a southern post Civil War phenomenon originally and the South happened to be Democratic at the time. However, that has nothing to do with the current Democratic party.

    Violence after War | Hopkins Press

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    " Expertly pulling together evidence from a wide range of era-defining case studies, he unravels the 'complex mix of personal, criminal, and political violence' that is a feature, albeit to varying degrees and assuming different forms, of all, so-called, 'post-conflict' societies. In doing so, he has provided policy makers and students of violent conflict alike with important conceptual tools for the analysis of 'post-conflict' violence more generally. Violence after War deserves a wide readership."


    Edited to add: BTW, you can argue that we are living in a 'post-conflict' society now. Afghanistan, Iraq, the War of Terror, etc.
     
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    BullSheetBuddha said:
    Well, I see it as being a southern post Civil War phenomenon originally and the South happened to be Democratic at the time. However, that has nothing to do with the current Democratic party.
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    I was only commenting on left vs. right as an ideological spectrum.
     
    BullSheetBuddha said:
    "Point of order: the KKK has always been a far-right organization."

    The KKK came into being as a post-conflict organization, not a far-right organization.
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    DaveXA said:
    Well left vs right ideology as we know it today is relatively speaking a recent phenomenon. If we're talking 1940s and earlier, the political landscape was wildly different than it is today.
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    For your review:

    Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

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    And:
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    Left vs. Right in the Political Party Spectrum - Lesson | Study.com

    Learn about left vs. right politics in the political party spectrum, and liberal versus conservative ideologies. Discover the conflicts between...
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    Specifically:
    In the United States, there are two major political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans. Today, the Democrats are, for the most part, part of the political left, while the Republicans are part of the political right. This was not always the case. In the past, there were relatively conservative Democrats, as well as Republicans who were quite liberal. However, by the decade of the 2000s, most conservative Democrats had become Republicans and most liberal Republicans had become Democrats or independents.
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    The left and right don’t move. They are what they are. Political parties, however, can align anywhere on the left-right spectrum they choose, and can and do shift. It’s why we say Republicans have been “moving farther right” in the last few decades.


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    This quote just sums up perfectly the Republican Party failure to correctly understand Trump, his motives, what he is capable of. The really confounding thing is that they still haven’t learned their lesson to this day after everything. This is exactly why all Rs must be voted out of office in the general election. This is exactly why I will not vote for any Rs anywhere. The party is fatally flawed.

     
    brandon said:
    For your review:

    Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

    en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

    And:
    study.com

    Left vs. Right in the Political Party Spectrum - Lesson | Study.com

    Learn about left vs. right politics in the political party spectrum, and liberal versus conservative ideologies. Discover the conflicts between...
    study.com study.com

    Specifically:


    The left and right don’t move. They are what they are. Political parties, however, can align anywhere on the left-right spectrum they choose, and can and do shift. It’s why we say Republicans have been “moving farther right” in the last few decades.


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    The current iteration of the right is making this chart obsolete. Their “freedom” isn’t really freedom from government interference if you’re a woman, is it? Or gay, or black. They want their freedom and to be able to quash the freedom of anyone they don’t like.
     
    MT15 said:
    The current iteration of the right is making this chart obsolete. Their “freedom” isn’t really freedom from government interference if you’re a woman, is it? Or gay, or black. They want their freedom and to be able to quash the freedom of anyone they don’t like.
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    Yea. I think this is a pretty decent representation of ideological left and right, but it doesn't account for the extremes on either side, and much of the current Republican party has moved to the extreme right. There are also some things on that chart that I just think are incorrect (equality being a liberal value while equity is a conservative value, for instance).

    But the concept holds.

    Also, specific to the KKK:

    Far-right politics - Wikipedia

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    In United States politics, the terms "extreme right", "far-right", and "ultra-right" are labels used to describe "militant forms of insurgent revolutionary right ideology and separatist ethnocentric nationalism",[150] such as Christian Identity,[150] the Creativity Movement,[150] the Ku Klux Klan,[150] the National Socialist Movement,[150][151][152] the National Alliance,[150] the Joy of Satan Ministries,[151][152] and the Order of Nine Angles.[153] These far-right groups share conspiracist views of power which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic and reject pluralist democracy in favour of an organic oligarchy that would unite the perceived homogeneously racial Völkish nation.[150][153] The far-right in the United States is composed of various Neo-fascist, Neo-Nazi, White nationalist, and White supremacist organizations and networks who have been known to refer to an "acceleration" of racial conflict through violent means such as assassinations, murders, terrorist attacks, and societal collapse, in order to achieve the building of a White ethnostate.[153]
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    And the hits just keep on coming
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    A key piece of the Affordable Care Act is on trial Tuesday as a group of Texans challenge the law’s requirement that insurers cover preventive services — everything from STD screenings and HIV prevention drugs to depression checks and flu shots.

    The case before Judge Reed O’Connor — the author of several anti-Obamacare rulings — at the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas is the latest conservative-led legal effort to undermine the 12-year-old law, and could determine whether insurance companies are allowed to deny coverage or charge sky-high copays for common preventive care going forward.

    This challenge, filed in March of 2020 by a group of Texas residents and employers and backed by former Trump officials, argues that the ACA’s preventive care mandates violate the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and that forcing people to pay for plans that cover STD screenings and HIV prevention drugs will "facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity, and intravenous drug use."..............

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    efil4 said:
    not sure to put here or Civil War2 thread....

    this guy,...

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    That schlitzhead, Bannon, is the same guy who claimed he stands for the constitution after being convicted of defying a congressional subpoena. And he wants to deconstruct the state. The same state established by the constitution.
     
    When Donald Trump poached Ronald Reagan’s 1980 campaign catchphrase “Let’s Make America Great Again,” it was not just the slogan but the meaning behind it that bonded the two Republican campaigns. What it embodies is less an ideology or even a conservative worldview than a deep yearning and determination to restore an idealized version of 1950s America that many Republicans believe has been lost. For the last half-century, that idea has informed much of what the GOP has come to represent.

    According to a 2021 survey from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), 70 percent of Republicans believe that American culture and way of life have changed for the worse since the 1950s. To them, it was in the 1960s — when liberation movements demanded social and institutional change, sexual mores began to shift, and intellectuals labeled us a sick society — that the American century began to unravel. They believe we haven’t recovered since. Reestablish the belief system of the 1950s, these Republicans say, and we can make America great again.

    In reality, however, the 1950s were great only for some Americans. Restoring that America — as many Republicans are attempting to do in places where they wield political power — would hurt almost everyone else.

    In the popular imagination embraced by many Republicans, America achieved unparalleled greatness in the 1950s — a time of prosperity, social cohesion and global preeminence. It was a decade of “Leave It to Beaver” and “Father Knows Best” when suburban bliss and national pride revitalized an American Dream that had been tested during the Depression and World War II. In these happy days, Americans saluted the flag, revered the police, believed in God, trusted authority and honored both the businesses that brought abundance and the lunch pail heroes who built the nation’s prosperity without griping or government assistance.

    To some extent, there’s a grain of truth to this roseate view of the 1950s. It was a time of extraordinary economic growth, with household income rising nearly 30 percent in the four years after World War II and nearly doubling during the decade. Families that suffered hardship and sacrifice during the previous two decades could now afford a home with appliances and a backyard — in safe neighborhoods where children could ride their Schwinn bicycles without worry. Instead of shelter, food and clothing eating up their paychecks, this newly empowered middle class could spend, and spend it did — on televisions, hi-fis, cameras, furniture, just about everything for their baby boom children, and especially cars.

    As Dinah Shore sang in a 1950s Chevrolet ad, a tribute to the car as a symbol of freedom, “Drive your Chevrolet through the U.S.A., America’s the greatest land of all.”

    To be sure, this bounty represented the byproduct of a unique moment in history when America’s economic competitors had been cratered by war and ideology, leaving them without the capacity to manufacture the goods we sold to them. America’s singular prosperity and “greatness” came, in large measure, because other countries weren’t yet ready to compete.

    But to those who idealize the 1950s, how we achieved our prosperity is immaterial. What matters to them are the sepia-toned images of a time they remember as “great.” The problem is: That era was not so great for everyone..............

    MSN

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    Optimus Prime said:
    And the hits just keep on coming
    =======================

    A key piece of the Affordable Care Act is on trial Tuesday as a group of Texans challenge the law’s requirement that insurers cover preventive services — everything from STD screenings and HIV prevention drugs to depression checks and flu shots.

    The case before Judge Reed O’Connor — the author of several anti-Obamacare rulings — at the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas is the latest conservative-led legal effort to undermine the 12-year-old law, and could determine whether insurance companies are allowed to deny coverage or charge sky-high copays for common preventive care going forward.

    This challenge, filed in March of 2020 by a group of Texas residents and employers and backed by former Trump officials, argues that the ACA’s preventive care mandates violate the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and that forcing people to pay for plans that cover STD screenings and HIV prevention drugs will "facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity, and intravenous drug use."..............

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    Howzabout we just kick Texas out of the country?
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    When Donald Trump poached Ronald Reagan’s 1980 campaign catchphrase “Let’s Make America Great Again,” it was not just the slogan but the meaning behind it that bonded the two Republican campaigns. What it embodies is less an ideology or even a conservative worldview than a deep yearning and determination to restore an idealized version of 1950s America that many Republicans believe has been lost. For the last half-century, that idea has informed much of what the GOP has come to represent.

    According to a 2021 survey from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), 70 percent of Republicans believe that American culture and way of life have changed for the worse since the 1950s. To them, it was in the 1960s — when liberation movements demanded social and institutional change, sexual mores began to shift, and intellectuals labeled us a sick society — that the American century began to unravel. They believe we haven’t recovered since. Reestablish the belief system of the 1950s, these Republicans say, and we can make America great again.

    In reality, however, the 1950s were great only for some Americans. Restoring that America — as many Republicans are attempting to do in places where they wield political power — would hurt almost everyone else.

    In the popular imagination embraced by many Republicans, America achieved unparalleled greatness in the 1950s — a time of prosperity, social cohesion and global preeminence. It was a decade of “Leave It to Beaver” and “Father Knows Best” when suburban bliss and national pride revitalized an American Dream that had been tested during the Depression and World War II. In these happy days, Americans saluted the flag, revered the police, believed in God, trusted authority and honored both the businesses that brought abundance and the lunch pail heroes who built the nation’s prosperity without griping or government assistance.

    To some extent, there’s a grain of truth to this roseate view of the 1950s. It was a time of extraordinary economic growth, with household income rising nearly 30 percent in the four years after World War II and nearly doubling during the decade. Families that suffered hardship and sacrifice during the previous two decades could now afford a home with appliances and a backyard — in safe neighborhoods where children could ride their Schwinn bicycles without worry. Instead of shelter, food and clothing eating up their paychecks, this newly empowered middle class could spend, and spend it did — on televisions, hi-fis, cameras, furniture, just about everything for their baby boom children, and especially cars.

    As Dinah Shore sang in a 1950s Chevrolet ad, a tribute to the car as a symbol of freedom, “Drive your Chevrolet through the U.S.A., America’s the greatest land of all.”

    To be sure, this bounty represented the byproduct of a unique moment in history when America’s economic competitors had been cratered by war and ideology, leaving them without the capacity to manufacture the goods we sold to them. America’s singular prosperity and “greatness” came, in large measure, because other countries weren’t yet ready to compete.

    But to those who idealize the 1950s, how we achieved our prosperity is immaterial. What matters to them are the sepia-toned images of a time they remember as “great.” The problem is: That era was not so great for everyone..............

    MSN

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    The only thing they care about is that times were good for a certain percentage of white people, period.
     
    bird said:
    That schlitzhead, Bannon, is the same guy who claimed he stands for the constitution after being convicted of defying a congressional subpoena. And he wants to deconstruct the state. The same state established by the constitution.
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    He is straight up calling for the overthrow of American democracy. Which is his right, but nobody should believe his gaslighting about being for the constitution.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    And the hits just keep on coming
    =======================

    A key piece of the Affordable Care Act is on trial Tuesday as a group of Texans challenge the law’s requirement that insurers cover preventive services — everything from STD screenings and HIV prevention drugs to depression checks and flu shots.

    The case before Judge Reed O’Connor — the author of several anti-Obamacare rulings — at the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas is the latest conservative-led legal effort to undermine the 12-year-old law, and could determine whether insurance companies are allowed to deny coverage or charge sky-high copays for common preventive care going forward.

    This challenge, filed in March of 2020 by a group of Texas residents and employers and backed by former Trump officials, argues that the ACA’s preventive care mandates violate the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and that forcing people to pay for plans that cover STD screenings and HIV prevention drugs will "facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity, and intravenous drug use."..............

    MSN

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    This makes zero sense - everyone with half a brain knows that if you don’t detect problems early the cost to deal with them rises exponentially when a failure happens. That just about applies to everything, and human health is no exception.
     
    MT15 said:
    This makes zero sense - everyone with half a brain knows that if you don’t detect problems early the cost to deal with them rises exponentially when a failure happens. That just about applies to everything, and human health is no exception.
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    My girlfriend made this point when I told her about this:

    "The GOP's whole thing is that gun violence is all due to mental health, why remove the depression checks then?"
     

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