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When the president's idiot attorney has to tell you a speech he's making that's only streamed on his FB and Twitter pages is important, it's time to stop watering the lawn with Gatorade.

I really dig how they used different camera angles to frame him there at the end. Made him look more presidential and less like he was filming an infomercial.

MT15 said:

I read online that Flynn’s pardon is forward looking. That it pardons him in advance, I didn’t think that was okay.

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It would be interesting if, come February, someone looks at it and determines that the pardon is invalid due to that language.

insidejob said:

When the president's idiot attorney has to tell you a speech he's making that's only streamed on his FB and Twitter pages is important, it's time to stop watering the lawn with Gatorade.

I really dig how they used different camera angles to frame him there at the end. Made him look more presidential and less like he was filming an infomercial.

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I've seen Tik Tok videos with better angle transitions. Everything they have done over the last 4 years has been pure amateur hour.

insidejob said:

When the president's idiot attorney has to tell you a speech he's making that's only streamed on his FB and Twitter pages is important, it's time to stop watering the lawn with Gatorade.

I really dig how they used different camera angles to frame him there at the end. Made him look more presidential and less like he was filming an infomercial.

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I can't get my 2:13 back, can I?

MT15 said:

I read online that Flynn’s pardon is forward looking. That it pardons him in advance, I didn’t think that was okay.

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It's not ok. I've never heard of a pardon that deals with future behavior. I don't what your online source is, but I would definitely question the veracity of that. I would definitely want to see the actual pardon document to believe it covers anything beyond the date of the pardon.

There is a thought though. If he's later charged for something that he did prior to the pardon, would the pardon cover his testimony about those events. Could he be on the hook for something related to that. I don't know, but just thinking out loud on that.

GrandAdmiral said:

I can't get my 2:13 back, can I?

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I made it maybe 15 seconds, and then I was just like 'why?'.. the tone of his annoying arse voice is even more grating now that it's coming from him as he performs his patented "im'ma birch arse loser" song and dance.

Here’s the verbiage. It does appear extremely broad, and appears to cover any crimes yet to be discovered as long as they can be tied “in any way” to the original case.

GrandAdmiral said:

I can't get my 2:13 back, can I?

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We should be glad that's all they showed -- apparently this clown show went on for 46 minutes!

MT15 said:

Here’s the verbiage. It does appear extremely broad, and appears to cover any crimes yet to be discovered as long as they can be tied “in any way” to the original case.

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I think that is for any crimes not yet discovered not for future crimes.

So if Flynn lies to a grand jury in the future, he can still be charged, right?

Booker said:

We should be glad that's all they showed -- apparently this clown show went on for 46 minutes!

Trump rehashes bogus vote-fraud claims for 46 minutes in his 'most important speech' ever

President Trump released a videotaped 46-minute address from the White House Wednesday that he said “may be the most important speech I’ve ever made.”

www.yahoo.com

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forking terrorists would confess if they were subjected to the entirety of that.. definitely could argue cruel and unusual though.

Neworleansfan said:

So if Flynn lies to a grand jury in the future, he can still be charged, right?

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I would think so. I would think he can plead the 5th if he wants to. I've heard comments that he wouldn't be able to do that, but I don't know exactly what circumstances where that would be the case.

DaveXA said:

I would think so. I would think he can plead the 5th if he wants to. I've heard comments that he wouldn't be able to do that, but I don't know exactly what circumstances where that would be the case.

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I would think that if he were questioned about anything that falls within the broad scope of the pardon (so anything that could have arisen from the Mueller investigation), he would not be able to invoke his 5th amendment rights.

FullMonte said:

I would think that if he were questioned about anything that falls within the broad scope of the pardon (so anything that could have arisen from the Mueller investigation), he would not be able to invoke his 5th amendment rights.

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Do you automatically lose those rights as a result of a pardon? Is there a law that addresses that?

DaveXA said:

Do you automatically lose those rights as a result of a pardon? Is there a law that addresses that?

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I'm not a lawyer so I can't speak to caselaw. But the idea is fairly straightforward. The 5th Amendment gives you the right not testify against yourself. In other words, you can't be forced to incriminate yourself. If you are pardoned, then there is no way you can incriminate yourself, so there is no way to use the 5th amendment protection.

FullMonte said:

I'm not a lawyer so I can't speak to caselaw. But the idea is fairly straightforward. The 5th Amendment gives you the right not testify against yourself. In other words, you can't be forced to incriminate yourself. If you are pardoned, then there is no way you can incriminate yourself, so there is no way to use the 5th amendment protection.

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Well, I'm not so sure you can't incriminate yourself if you are pardoned. I understand the concept, but I don't think it's that simple. But idk. Maybe there's some precedent out there, but I'm not aware of it.

I’ve seen it said multiple times, it makes sense, the whole idea of the 5th is that you cannot be compelled to incriminate yourself. So if you are pardoned, theres no chance of self-incrimination.

Found an opinion piece

“But if the prospect of criminal liability disappears — whether because he has been granted adequate immunity by prosecutors, or because he has accepted a presidential pardon — then the privilege against self-incrimination also disappears. “f the witness has already received a pardon, he cannot longer set up his privilege, since he stands with respect to such offence as if it had never been committed.” Brown v. Walker (1895); see also, e.g., Nixon v. Sampson (D.D.C. 1975) (yes, that Nixon). (Remember that, as with President Richard Nixon, a pardon can preclude future criminal prosecutions, and not just erase past ones.)”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/02/if-youre-pardoned-can-you-be-compelled-to-testify-about-your-crime/

The piece makes the point, though, that if your testimony would incriminate you in a state court, and your pardon was federal, you could still plead the 5th, and vice versa.