Reports (w/ multiple sources) detail Trump's pattern of disrespecting military casualties (3 Viewers)

Saintamaniac said:

Hanging curve out over the plate or a fastball right down the middle. Either way, this one is ripe.

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Truly a golden opportunity

Saintamaniac said:

Hanging curve out over the plate or a fastball right down the middle. Either way, this one is ripe.

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Orange or golden?

Here is a video of the event.

It is obviously not "raining" as his 50+ minute speech doesn't result in any visible wetness on him, but it is definitely sprinkling or misting as on occasion you can see water dripping down the bullet-proof (I assume) shielding. The crowd shots don't seem to show people taking shelter from rain (cover their heads or phones or other such actions people would take when raining) and they don't look very wet themselves, but there are a few people who are wearing rain gear. The shot of the US Army Band playing at about the 48 minute mark shows some wetness on the bill of their hats and the sheet music looks a little damp.

So, is this the McCain version of 'it is what it is'?

CoolBrees said:

So, you post a clearly altered photo to refute the fact that his orange combover melts in the rain, and His narcissism won’t allow that.

when you are presented with evidence that your favorite source is a complete hack- “I was being sarcastic”

But AP NYT, Washington Post and the Atlantic all corroborate with their anonymous sources (like how watergate was blown open), and they must out their source to be believed.....

Your sources are anonymous and unverified. In other words, completely untrustworthy. And you decry anonymous sources from real news people.

Do you see why some have a hard time with your credibility?

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The photo was altered or zoomed in on?

That "corroboration" sounds a lot like when NBC "confirmed" the CNN story that Don Jr. received an email before the Wikileaks dump alerting him about what was about to happen. The only problem was that the story turned out not to be true and CNN had to issue an embarrassing correction. I wonder how that happened when NBC independently confirmed the same false story. It was probably the same source that talked to each outlet so nothing was independently verified.


ONE OF THE MOST HUMILIATING journalism debacles of the Trump era played out on December 8, 2017, first on CNN and then on MSNBC. The spectacle kicked off on that Friday morning at 11:00 a.m. when CNN, deploying its most melodramatic music and graphics designed to convey that a real bombshell was about to be dropped, announced that anonymous sources had provided the network with a smoking gun proving the Trump/Russia conspiracy once and for all: during the 2016 campaign, Donald Trump, Jr. had received a September 4 email with a secret encryption key that gave him advanced access to WikiLeaks’ servers containing the DNC emails which the group would subsequently release to the public ten days later. Cable news and online media spontaneously combusted, as is their wont, in shock, hysteria and awe over this proof that WikiLeaks and Trump were in cahoots.

...Very shortly after CNN unveiled its false story, MSNBC’s intelligence community spokesman Ken Dilanian went on air and breathlessly announced that he had obtained independent confirmation that the CNN story was true. In a video segment I cannot recommend highly enough, Dilanian was introduced by an incredibly excited Hallie Jackson — who urged Dilanian to “tell us what we’ve just now learned,” adding: “I know you and some of our colleagues have confirmed some of this information: what’s up?” Dilanian then proceeded to explain what he had learned:

That’s right, Hallie. Two sources with direct knowledge of this are telling us that Congressional investigators have obtained an email from a man named “Mike Erickson” — obviously they don’t know if that’s his real name — offering Donald Trump and his son Donald Trump, Jr. access to WikiLeaks documents… It goes to the heart of the collusion question….. One of the big questions is: did [Trump Jr.] call the FBI?

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But what is clear is that the “confirmation” which both MSNBC and CBS claimed it had obtained for the story was anything but: all that happened was that the same sources which anonymously whispered these unverified, false claims to CNN then went and repeated the same unverified, false claims to other outlets, which then claimed that they “independently confirmed” the story even though they had done nothing of the sort.

...It should go without saying that none of this means that Trump did not utter these remarks or ones similar to them. He has made public statements in the past that are at least in the same universe as the ones reported by the Atlantic, and it is quite believable that he would have said something like this (though the absolute last person who should be trusted with anything, particularly interpreting claims from anonymous sources, is Jeffrey Goldberg, who has risen to one of the most important perches in journalism despite (or, more accurately because of) one of the most disgraceful and damaging records of spreading disinformation in service of the Pentagon and intelligence community’s agenda).

It looks like CBS also "confirmed" the false story as well:

EmBeeFiveOhFour said:

Now Trump wants the Fox News reporter who confirmed this fired because he needs to triple down on this.



Cancel culture is also bad.

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How can there be witnesses to something that didn't happen?

Saintamaniac said:

Hanging curve out over the plate or a fastball right down the middle. Either way, this one is ripe.

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I done said it in 2016.trump is a kink.

SaintForLife said:

tRuMp rEfUSeS tO sPeAk wHEn iT's rAinINg

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This is most commonly used in online discussions to be mocking someone else. I realize that this sort of stylized alternating capitalization is common on some sites, but doesn't really have a place on these boards.

From Andrus's post at the top of these boards regarding memes (which this style of capitalization has been since the Spongebob meme popularized it):

It also included the posting of memes and GIFS that are intended to insult or antagonize members that do not share your partisan beliefs

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I know memes and gifs will get posted, and have been reported, and dealing with them is often on a case by case basis. But even as a comedic convention, it doesn't really offer anything. So please do not use this style of capitalization going forward when replying directly to another member. This is for all posters.

Additionally, the meme has been reported as ableist and I think we could also keep members and any loved ones of theirs that might consider this over the line or antagonistic.

Mixtape said:

This is most commonly used in online discussions to be mocking someone else. I realize that this sort of stylized alternating capitalization is common on some sites, but doesn't really have a place on these boards.

From Andrus's post at the top of these boards regarding memes (which this style of capitalization has been since the Spongebob meme popularized it):



I know memes and gifs will get posted, and have been reported, and dealing with them is often on a case by case basis. But even as a comedic convention, it doesn't really offer anything. So please do not use this style of capitalization going forward when replying directly to another member. This is for all posters.

Additionally, the meme has been reported as ableist and I think we could also keep members and any loved ones of theirs that might consider this over the line or antagonistic.

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I'll do whatever Andrus or mods ask me to do, but I didn't post a meme. A meme is some kind of image right? I'm not seeing the connection to what I posted as a meme.

Mixed case typing is ableist according to whom?

And to be completely honest, it shouldn't matter who thinks it. If someone says that they find something offensive and ask for it to be stopped, why does it matter who else finds it offensive? The first thought should be not wanting to offend people.

SaintForLife said:

I'll do whatever Andrus or mods ask me to do, but I didn't post a meme. A meme is some kind of image right? I'm not seeing the connection to what I posted as a meme.

Mixed case typing is ableist according to whom?

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It is a meme. It comes from a Spongebob Squarepants meme and you can find information on a wiki page, for example. It's called the "Mocking Spongebob Meme" and that's where the alternative capitalization comes from.

A meme known as "Mocking SpongeBob" popularized using alternating caps to convey a mocking tone starting in May 2017,[4][5] leading to alternating caps becoming a mainstream method of conveying mockery in text.[1]

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This way of typing is absolutely a meme. At the very least it's explicitly meme derivative, and that's a best case scenario for this argument.

cuddlemonkey said:

And to be completely honest, it shouldn't matter who thinks it. If someone says that they find something offensive and ask for it to be stopped, why does it matter who else finds it offensive? The first thought should be not wanting to offend people.

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We cannot police everything people think is offended, so that's probably not the best bar to set. This is a very subjective area and the things that can offend are on a broad spectrum. So the best we can do is a case by case basis when it comes up for things that aren't as widely considered offensive.

We generally accept that we aren't going to use the 'r-word' and I think, in this case, this approaches that but is still a gray area. I've used the meme and laughed at the meme myself, and was not aware of this. Personally, I am not going to use it or really find it amusing. And in discussions, the mockery is unavoidable and often intentional. I think both of these combine to make for something that's probably not best served for the discussions here. It's antagonistic because there is the implication that the person being mocked is 'r-word' and that's not acceptable.

But it's still a gray area when we talk about who gets offended by what. Generally, I think it's a good idea to discuss these when they come up because it can be a learning experience. I know I've learned something.

Mixtape said:

It is a meme. It comes from a Spongebob Squarepants meme and you can find information on a wiki page, for example. It's called the "Mocking Spongebob Meme" and that's where the alternative capitalization comes from.

Alternating caps - Wikipedia

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This way of typing is absolutely a meme. At the very least it's explicitly meme derivative, and that's a best case scenario for this argument.

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It's definitely a meme. Emphasis mine:


noun

1. an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
   • a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users.

Mixtape said:

We cannot police everything people think is offended, so that's probably not the best bar to set. This is a very subjective area and the things that can offend are on a broad spectrum. So the best we can do is a case by case basis when it comes up for things that aren't as widely considered offensive.

We generally accept that we aren't going to use the 'r-word' and I think, in this case, this approaches that but is still a gray area. I've used the meme and laughed at the meme myself, and was not aware of this. Personally, I am not going to use it or really find it amusing. And in discussions, the mockery is unavoidable and often intentional. I think both of these combine to make for something that's probably not best served for the discussions here. It's antagonistic because there is the implication that the person being mocked is 'r-word' and that's not acceptable.

But it's still a gray area when we talk about who gets offended by what. Generally, I think it's a good idea to discuss these when they come up because it can be a learning experience. I know I've learned something.

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To be fair, I am not talking about moderation in this case. I am speaking specifically about self-policing. If I say something I think is innocuous and someone tells me that they are genuinely offended, I am going to try not to do that again because at that point it becomes a personal choice and not one forced by rules.

cuddlemonkey said:

And to be completely honest, it shouldn't matter who thinks it. If someone says that they find something offensive and ask for it to be stopped, why does it matter who else finds it offensive? The first thought should be not wanting to offend people.

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You already reported the post. I think we know where you stand. So anything that someone finds offensive should be stopped? Do you know how vague that is and how hard that would be to enforce?

SaintForLife said:

You already reported the post. I think we know where you stand. So anything that someone finds offensive should be stopped? Do you know how vague that is and how hard that would be to enforce?

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If you will refer to the post above yours (#141), you will see that I am speaking from a personal standpoint and not a rules standpoint.

Mixtape said:

It is a meme. It comes from a Spongebob Squarepants meme and you can find information on a wiki page, for example. It's called the "Mocking Spongebob Meme" and that's where the alternative capitalization comes from.

Alternating caps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This way of typing is absolutely a meme. At the very least it's explicitly meme derivative, and that's a best case scenario for this argument.

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From your link:

History Edit
According to the Jargon File, the origin and significance of the practice is obscure.[2] Arbitrary variation found popularity among adolescent users during the BBS and early WWW eras of online culture, as if in parody of the marginally less idiosyncratic capitalization found in common trade and service marks of the time. Programming style guides, meanwhile, began to codify common studly caps patterns for computer programmer populations, who are constrained by rules on the placement of whitespace that are incompatible with natural-language usage.

Unlike the use of all-lowercase letters, which suggests efficiency as a motivation, studly caps requires additional effort to type, either by holding and releasing the shift key with one hand while hunting-and-pecking, or by intermittently pressing one shift key or the other while touch typing.

This method (without actually being named "studly caps") was extensively used since the 1980s in the BBS-world and warez scene (for example in FILE_ID.DIZ and .nfo files) to show "elite" (or elitist) attitude, the often used variant was using small-caps vowels and capitalised consonants (THiS iS aN eXCePTioNaLLy eLiTe SeNTeNCe.) or reversed capitals (eXTENDED kEY gNERERATOR pRO). The iNiQUiTY BBS software based on Renegade had a feature to support two variants of this automatically: either all vowels would be uppercase or all vowels would be lowercase, with the consonants as the other case.[3]

Messages may be hidden in the capital and lower-case letters such as "ShoEboX" which spells "SEX" in capitals and "hobo" in lower-case. The webmail service Hotmail was originally stylized as HoTMaiL, which spells HTML in upper-case.

A meme known as "Mocking SpongeBob" popularized using alternating caps to convey a mocking tone starting in May 2017,[4][5] leading to alternating caps becoming a mainstream method of conveying mockery in text.[1]

It looks like it was around way before Spongebob.

I'll avoid doing it going forward, but can you show me an example of what a text meme is so I know? All the ones I see when I google it include and images.