Explain how Trump has so much support (1 Viewer)

[Bayouboy]

I would like some layman answers to the question "How does Trump have so much support, right now"? The final two word are important context.

I somewhat understand how he became a "force" prior to the 2016 election. There were many factors that allowed him to gain steam. Anti-establishment and not being a true politician was a big turn on to some voters on the right at the time. He talked a good game and somehow found a way to the Presidency despite acting "unpresidential". Trump's time in office had some victories for the Republicans and the economy was humming prior to COVID.....but the shirt show that happened on a daily basis with him firing executive staff (that didn't agree with him) and the overall chaos that was the White House certainly should've had an effect on his supporters. This was all BEFORE losing the 2020 election and what ensued. What happened after the 2020 election is well documented and, in my opinion, should have buried him as a candidate for office for eternity.

With ALL of what happened since the 2020 election, how can he still have half of the country (give or take) as supporters? Had all the election denying, countless gaffs, and the attempt to circumvent the Constitution had not occurred and had he regrouped and formed a strategy to compete in 2024, I could see a lot of his supporters continuing to follow him and his message. But I can't get how so many Americans can overlook what happened in front of their own eyes. I am truly bewildered.

I realize this is a mostly left leaning community, so maybe you folks do not have a clue either but would like to hear opinions. Especially, if you still support Trump through all of the mess.

 

[SFIDC3]

So the court needs to start holding people in contempt.

You folks seem to think that 1. Trump intends to seize power when the Constitution prohibits a third term And 2. That the rest of the country and all the government institutions will simply go along. It is a rather far out conspiracy theory but if it is what you believe there is nothing I can say to dissuade you. Think and believe as you please.

I simply don’t believe it. This country isn’t so easy to overthrow. It wasn’t built to be easily overthrown.

Just putting that out there. Feel free to proceed with your pearl clutchin

I’ve seen this POV before…..folks insisting nothing was going to happen on Jan 6th, then something happened and it was an attempted coup….and folks like you seem to think “ho hum, no big deal”…..mainly because the folks behind it don’t really bother you that much….I wonder if the roles were reversed and it was the Democrats and dark skinned folks that were behind something like this how you would react?

You don’t have to tell me, I already know…..it’s pathetic to downplay what happened then and yet here we are…..

 

[TampaJoe]

Actually, that’s not how this works.

If we truly believe this might happen, we don’t just need to vote for the best candidate. We already did that and it didn’t work.

No, actually what we have to do is convince people like you to also vote for the very best candidate in 2028. And even if we do convince you, it may already be too late. The time to keep Trump out was before he got power.

Unfortunately, it also looks like some of you are quite happy having a daddy, and the fingers in your ears are going to slide us right into authoritarianism along with you, no matter what we do.

Well I already didn’t vote for Trump. As far as “daddy issues”, you sound like you got that down in spades.

Tell you what. I already vote for candidate I believe to be qualified and best suited for the job. You should do the same. That is how all this works.

As far as authoritarianism, I am not the one seeking to cede more and more responsibility over our lives to the federal government. I actually have confidence in the Constitution. Sounds like you are closer to that which you claim the be against than I.

Trump lives much more in the heads of Democrats than mine. Rent free. As long as he occupies that space there isn’t room in there for anything or anyone else.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Well I already didn’t vote for Trump. As far as “daddy issues”, you sound like you got that down in spades.

Tell you what. I already vote for candidate I believe to be qualified and best suited for the job. You should do the same. That is how all this works.

As far as authoritarianism, I am not the one seeking to cede more and more responsibility over our lives to the federal government. I actually have confidence in the Constitution. Sounds like you are closer to that which you claim the be against than I.

Trump lives much more in the heads of Democrats than mine. Rent free. As long as he occupies that space there isn’t room in there for anything or anyone else.

I can't imagine you actually typed this with a straight face.

 

[TampaJoe]

I’ve seen this POV before…..folks insisting nothing was going to happen on Jan 6th, then something happened and it was an attempted coup….and folks like you seem to think “ho hum, no big deal”…..mainly because the folks behind it don’t really bother you that much….I wonder if the roles were reversed and it was the Democrats and dark skinned folks that were behind something like this how you would react?

You don’t have to tell me, I already know…..it’s pathetic to downplay what happened then and yet here we are…..

If you are trying to convince me not to vote for Trump. You can check that box. I already didn’t vote for him. Never voted for the man.

 

[TampaJoe]

I can't imagine you actually typed this with a straight face.

Believe it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

If you are trying to convince me not to vote for Trump. You can check that box. I already didn’t vote for him. Never voted for the man.

Believe it.

Must be nice to be such a simple man.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You seem perfectly satisfied that your home security system stopped the burglars from breaking into your house

It barely held but it held and your attitude is ‘it’s fine, the system worked and it’ll work again’

You’re not bothered at all that it was cops trying to break into your house

Not bothered that since your neighborhood was built many decades ago cops have never tried to break into a house before. You strangely treat it like an odd one off

Not bothered that the cops who tried to break into your house are still cops

Not bothered that the police chief who ordered the break in is still the chief

Not bothered that the chief is casually saying “maybe I’ll try to break into that house again in a few years”

Your attitude?

‘It’s fine. The system worked before and it’ll work again’

To me the story is that cops planned and tried to break into someone’s house, not that the home security system was successful in stopping the break in

Seems to me you’re focused on the wrong issue

 

[TampaJoe]

Must be nice to be such a simple man.

It is. You should give it a shot.

 

[TampaJoe]

You seem perfectly satisfied that your home security system stopped the burglars from breaking into your house

It barely held but it held and your attitude is ‘it’s fine, the system worked and it’ll work again’

You’re not bothered at all that it was cops trying to break into your house

Not bothered that since your neighborhood was built many decades ago cops have never tried to break into a house before. You strangely treat it like an odd one off

Not bothered that the cops who tried to break into your house are still cops,

Not bothered that the police chief who ordered the break in is still the chief

Not bothered that the chief is casually saying “maybe I’ll try to break into that house again in a few years”

Your attitude?:

‘It’s fine. The system worked before and it’ll work again’

Seems to me your focused on the wrong issue

All these analogies that are basically apples to oranges. But I will go with it.

If my security system “barely worked” I would not wait on it to fail again. I would probably replace it. I wouldn’t replace it with the same system. I wouldn’t replace it with a worse system. If presented with two choices that were inadequate, I wouldn’t accept either.

You are focused on Trump and not why he won and Harris lost. You whine incessantly about the contest you lost and blame the fans or the refs and don’t question your game plan or how you played. And by you I mean Dems. I would suggest the best thing to do is focus on things you would change and how they improve the lives of every American. Instead of trying to convince people not to vote for the other candidate, give them something to vote for.

The last election was the first time we could compare two Presidents and their records side by side. All their strengths and all their weaknesses. Their successes and their failures. Their visions for the future. That was the choice. And Harris lost. It wasn’t the voters fault.

 

[brandon]

Well I already didn’t vote for Trump.

Tell you what. I already vote for candidate I believe to be qualified and best suited for the job. You should do the same. That is how all this works.

That’s not good enough, as shown by the fact that Trump is in office, despite your vote for whatever useless third party candidate you picked.

A vote for the Democrat is mathematically more effective at preventing a Trump presidency than a vote for a third party candidate. If you truly want to prevent a Trump presidency, and want to do the most you can as a citizen to prevent it, you must vote Democrat, not third party.

 

[brandon]

You are focused on Trump and not why he won and Harris lost.

You’re focused on a candidate that might have been less effective than you would have liked as president instead of a literal authoritarian shredding the Constitution before our eyes.

 

[TampaJoe]

That’s not good enough, as shown by the fact that Trump is in office, despite your vote for whatever useless third party candidate you picked.

A vote for the Democrat is mathematically more effective at preventing a Trump presidency than a vote for a third party candidate. If you truly want to prevent a Trump presidency, and want to do the most you can as a citizen to prevent it, you must vote Democrat, not third party.

I voted for neither. I don’t vote for people I cannot support. What was not “good enough” were the choices for candidates the two parties offered the country. If that was the best they had to offer, it wasn’t good enough. My advice. Suck it up and do better.

And for the record, I truly didn’t want a Trump Presidency. I truly didn’t want another Biden Presidency nor did I truly want a “Biden like” Harris presidency. That was the choice. I choose not to vote for either. But most voters felt like they had to make that choice and the votes didn’t turn out like you wanted. Next time pick a better candidate and focus on issues important to voters and not just the narrow left wing of your party.

 

[TampaJoe]

You’re focused on a candidate that might have been less effective than you would have liked as president instead of a literal authoritarian shredding the Constitution before our eyes.

I think our Constitution is difficult to shred.

 

[brandon]

I voted for neither. I don’t vote for people I cannot support. What was not “good enough” were the choices for candidates the two parties offered the country. If that was the best they had to offer, it wasn’t good enough. My advice. Suck it up and do better.

Fine. A vote for the Democrat is mathematically more effective at preventing a Trump presidency than no vote.

Harris might not have been your preference, but she was relatively harmless in the long line of presidential options, at least compared to Trump.

And this is my point. People like you are the reason we have and will continue to have Trump.

I think our Constitution is difficult to shred.

You’re naive.

 

[brandon]

And then he’ll say it’s the liberals fault for not putting up a candidate good enough to beat Trump.

What was not “good enough” were the choices for candidates the two parties offered the country. If that was the best they had to offer, it wasn’t good enough. My advice. Suck it up and do better.

 

[Optimus Prime]

All these analogies that are basically apples to oranges. But I will go with it.

If my security system “barely worked” I would not wait on it to fail again. I would probably replace it. I wouldn’t replace it with the same system. I wouldn’t replace it with a worse system. If presented with two choices that were inadequate, I wouldn’t accept either.

You are focused on Trump and not why he won and Harris lost. You whine incessantly about the contest you lost and blame the fans or the refs and don’t question your game plan or how you played. And by you I mean Dems. I would suggest the best thing to do is focus on things you would change and how they improve the lives of every American. Instead of trying to convince people not to vote for the other candidate, give them something to vote for.

The last election was the first time we could compare two Presidents and their records side by side. All their strengths and all their weaknesses. Their successes and their failures. Their visions for the future. That was the choice. And Harris lost. It wasn’t the voters fault.

Again

“What if I got a better security system instead of what if we had cops who didn’t try to break into people’s houses, and punished the cops who did try”

 

[TampaJoe]

Fine. A vote for the Democrat is mathematically more effective at preventing a Trump presidency than no vote.

Harris might not have been your preference, but she was relatively harmless in the long line of presidential options, at least compared to Trump.

And this is my point. People like you are the reason we have and will continue to have Trump.

You’re naive.

Here is my point. If you don’t like the result of the last election, nominate a better candidate. Better yet, nominate your best candidate. If you believe the other candidate is a threat to democracy, don’t nominate a substandard candidate. Now I get you don’t see either Harris or Biden as substandard. But every voter gets to make that decision on their own and they didn’t agree with you. If you believe you are fighting someone you believe to be Hitler, you don’t run Neville Chamberlain. You run Winston Churchill. Your candidate and your policy matters as much or more than anything else. Do better next time.

 

[TampaJoe]

Again

“What if I got a better security system instead what if we had cops who didn’t try to break into people’s houses, and punished the cops who did try”

Asked and answered.

Again, Harris failed to secure the votes. She underperformed. That is the bottomline. Now you can follow the same game plan next time and hope for a different outcome or you can up your game and appeal to a broader number of voters. Choice is yours.