Assassination attempt on Trump (9 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

Trump is alive, but his ear was bleeding

 

[not2rich]

How were there not secret service snipers taking him out prior to him being able to get any shots off? It seems like there is no way he should have been able to get shots off.

The Secret Service doesn't have unlimited personnel, so they have to do the best they can with the manpower they have. I can only guess that the guy wasn't visible to the snipers until he got into position to shoot, and when he was visible they simply weren't looking at his specific location before he can start shooting.

What I find more puzzling is whey there were no Secret Service agents stationed at all on the roof the shooter used. Seems to make sense to at least put a guy or two up there considering the vantage point.

 

[MT15]

I think the danger comes when people who feel helpless in the political process take the narrative to mean we have no other choice because voting isn’t working

Yes, I see this point. What I have also seen is that every time someone on the Democratic side uses these comparisons it is a plea to vote. Every single time. I haven’t seen anybody in the Democratic Party suggest that violence might be necessary, only that if we don’t vote Trump out, we may not get another chance to vote.

Whereas Trump just flat out incites violence. He claims without any basis that elections are rigged and suggest people “fight like hell or you won’t have a country anymore”. Even yesterday, after being injured his words to the crowd were “fight, fight, fight” with a raised fist.

I have said this before, but I want the gloves off by Democrats. The GOP is invoking violence and they are demonizing entire classes of people. By gloves off what I mean is to no longer remain silent in the fact of their threats. Call them out, bring what they say out in the open and educate everyone about what they stand for. Don’t mealy mouth it - say what it is in plain language.

If we do that the American people will reject Trump. Nobody except religious fanatics truly wants what he is actually peddling.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

The Secret Service doesn't have unlimited personnel, so they have to do the best they can with the manpower they have. I can only guess that the guy wasn't visible to the snipers until he got into position to shoot, and when he was visible they simply weren't looking at his specific location before he can start shooting.

What I find more puzzling is whey there were no Secret Service agents stationed at all on the roof the shooter used. Seems to make sense to at least put a guy or two up there considering the vantage point.

I think @MT15 posted that at 150 meters, that falls in the zone for local law enforcement. Secret Service takes long distance and very near, and leaves middle distance to local leo.

I can't verify that though

 

[MT15]

I do understand the concerns over parallels in rhetoric.. it's bad. I just think that the situation and goals are different enough that.. things like literal attempted genocide by a Trump administration.. that's not where we're headed here and the Hitler parallel - unless it's nuanced out - always has that darkest part attached to it.

Hitler never really talked about genocide either, though. They got there incrementally. That’s the way all authoritarians do it when they take over a democracy. Discussing parallels doesn’t mean death camps.

 

[not2rich]

I think @MT15 posted that at 150 meters, that falls in the zone for local law enforcement. Secret Service takes long distance and very near, and leaves middle distance to local leo.

I can't verify that though

Even so, these agencies do communicate with each other, I assume. If I'm on the SS and I've got snipers on the building behind the stage, I'd look at the building to the side and say, "You know what, we should get a couple of guys up on that roof. Ask the local PD if they can put a couple of their SWAT snipers up there."

 

[LA - L.A.]

Hitler never really talked about genocide either, though. They got there incrementally. That’s the way all authoritarians do it when they take over a democracy. Discussing parallels doesn’t mean death camps.

Hitler and other authoritarians start out with a promise to round up all of the undesirable animals and vermin, which is the pretext to take the first step toward genocide.

Trump has promised to immediately round up all the "animals" and "vermin" immigrants here without authorization.

 

[MT15]

Are you speaking for all of them?

I guess I don’t understand the point of all these objections to the real talk about what Trump wants to do. Do we have to make sure any serious discussion is never bastageized online before we can have that serious discussion?

Because that, to me, sounds like letting the lowest common denominator drive the narrative. There will always be idiots making bad faith arguments online.

The best way is just ignore them and carry on with the adult part of the discussion.

Maybe I am misunderstanding the objection to the Hitler talk?

 

[LA - L.A.]

Even so, these agencies do communicate with each other, I assume. If I'm on the SS and I've got snipers on the building behind the stage, I'd look at the building to the side and say, "You know what, we should get a couple of guys up on that roof. Ask the local PD if they can put a couple of their SWAT snipers up there."

Someone dropped the ball. It was human error though, not conspiracy. Not saying that last part for you. Saying it for the resident conspiracy yahoos.

 

[samiam5211]

I wish you weren't so overcome with despair. I hope you find your way out of it.

We need to give up the fight for a little while.

 

[MT15]

Ok dude. I'm posting new information about a historic event. Keep throwing out strawman if you want.

Why did he donate to a Democrat group 1st and then switch to a republican? Most likely to vote for Haley in the primary.

No, there are plenty of possible explanations. One that makes sense that I saw online is that he lost a bet, given the timing of the donation, which was on the day Biden was inaugurated.

Also - he never “switched” his party affiliation. He registered as a Republican when he turned 18.

 

[LA - L.A.]

We need to give up the fight for a little while.

Why? What do you hope to accomplish by giving up the fight for a little while? I'm asking to understand, not to argue.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, the RWNJ's will push for an all out civil war now. Trump is their God.

This is actually what someone online said is probably at least possible given his party affiliation and his pro-gun shirt. The Groyper online community is pissed at Trump right now. That is what Fuentes’ followers call themselves and he exactly fits that demographic.

 

[coldseat]

We need to give up the fight for a little while.

What does that mean? Give up the fight how?

 

[MT15]

Even so, these agencies do communicate with each other, I assume. If I'm on the SS and I've got snipers on the building behind the stage, I'd look at the building to the side and say, "You know what, we should get a couple of guys up on that roof. Ask the local PD if they can put a couple of their SWAT snipers up there."

This guys thread is where I got my info. He goes into a lot of detail if you have time to look at it.

 

[LA - L.A.]

This guys thread is where I got my info. He goes into a lot of detail if you have time to look at it.

It looks like the law enforcement sniper on the roof spotted the kid right before the kid opened fire.

 

[DaveXA]

The Secret Service doesn't have unlimited personnel, so they have to do the best they can with the manpower they have. I can only guess that the guy wasn't visible to the snipers until he got into position to shoot, and when he was visible they simply weren't looking at his specific location before he can start shooting.

What I find more puzzling is whey there were no Secret Service agents stationed at all on the roof the shooter used. Seems to make sense to at least put a guy or two up there considering the vantage point.

Most likely because that area is in the 2nd layer of protection, which is normally coordinated with local police. And probably why there was a report of an LEO coming across the shooter before the shooter opened fire.

But yeah, they don't have unlimited personnel, and even with all of that protection, people sometimes can get through, although that's pretty rare.

 

[bdb13]

Hitler never really talked about genocide either, though. They got there incrementally. That’s the way all authoritarians do it when they take over a democracy. Discussing parallels doesn’t mean death camps.

Yeah, I actually did a quick search before I posted there to see if Hitler talked about genocide prior to taking power and it appears that he did not.. and so I do understand the parallel there.

It's just difficult to separate out the death camps from it when the parallels are to the path Hitler took to death camps, you know?

I get it.. I just think there's got to be a better way to put words to it..

 

[MT15]

I would hope the outdoor venues will be eliminated now. Much more difficult to defend a candidate in one of these. And there have been numerous reports of people with medical emergencies because of the heat, and Trump’s habit of showing up at least an hour late.

Move everyine inside.