All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Incumbent]

I just finished a Netflix documentary on Pearl Harbor. To think that now we call abruptly shutting curtains "aggressive" is both humorous and disheartening.

Your objection is to the phrasing and not to the action. Common tactic to not have to actually consider the behavior that was being described, and that it ended with confrontation and the police being called.

 

[samiam5211]

No, I saw that part after I saw the "aggressively ignored. By that time I realized that the claim was anonymous and second hand. Doesn't mean it never happened, I just don't automatically give it credence.

It's possible that the "aggressively ignored" conclusion came after they realized the people were racists.

You strike me as the kind of guy who doesn't give credence to anything that suggests a white person was racist. I'm sure you assume everyone is Jussie Smollett.

 

[Snarky Sack]

You assume people you know nothing about are lying. Well, you do know one thing about them, their race.

I don't assume that they are lying. I don't even assume that they are real. I have no idea if an anonymous person called "OP" actually said any of that, or said something similar that Robin Zlotnick exaggerated.

Like @Incumbent who reminded me that the neighbor had "abruptly closed the curtain," when the story actually only says "shut the blinds."

It's like the telephone game. Things get exaggerated in the retelling.

 

[Snarky Sack]

It's possible that the "aggressively ignored" conclusion came after they realized the people were racists.

That makes more sense. If the person had shut the blinds and then burst out of house with a welcome basket and an invitation to attend the local church, maybe the whole blind shutting aggression would be seen in a different light?

You strike me as the kind of guy who doesn't give credence to anything that suggests a white person was racist. I'm sure you assume everyone is Jussie Smollett.

No, there are plenty of cases of people being racist. I won't say "white people" because I don't like to be racist and single out one race as racist.

There are way too many Jussie Smolletts in the world, though. They just perpetuate racism.

 

[Incumbent]

I don't assume that they are lying. I don't even assume that they are real. I have no idea if an anonymous person called "OP" actually said any of that, or said something similar that Robin Zlotnick exaggerated.

Like @Incumbent who reminded me that the neighbor had "abruptly closed the curtain," when the story actually only says "shut the blinds."

It's like the telephone game. Things get exaggerated in the retelling.

Curtains, blinds - that's an insignificant detail that doesn't materially change the behavior that was being described, which ended in confrontation.

You're being pedantic to avoid the actual issue being described in the article.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Your objection is to the phrasing and not to the action. Common tactic to not have to actually consider the behavior that was being described, and that it ended with confrontation and the police being called.

And just like that, the conversation has changed from the actions this couple faced from their future neighbors to the couple's choice of words. Typical!

Ignore.
Deflect.
Redirect.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Curtains, blinds - that's an insignificant detail that doesn't materially change the behavior that was being described, which ended in confrontation.

You're being pedantic to avoid the actual issue being described in the article.

My nitpick wad with your use of "abruptly," which did not appear in the article.

I've addressed the existence of racism. I don't know what more you'd have me say.

My only point is that there is plenty of real racism to talk about, so we dont need to grasp at every straw.

 

[coldseat]

My nitpick wad with your use of "abruptly," which did not appear in the article.

I've addressed the existence of racism. I don't know what more you'd have me say.

My only point is that there is plenty of real racism to talk about, so we dont need to grasp at every straw.

That was very real and stark racism. There wasn't any grasping at straws.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Your objection is to the phrasing and not to the action. Common tactic to not have to actually consider the behavior that was being described, and that it ended with confrontation and the police being called.

I'm saying the the phrasing makes me doubt the story. To me, it doesn't have a ring of truth.

Not to worry. Seems there are plenty of believers here.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

My nitpick wad with your use of "abruptly," which did not appear in the article.

I've addressed the existence of racism. I don't know what more you'd have me say.

My only point is that there is plenty of real racism to talk about, so we dont need to grasp at every straw.

The white neighbor called the cops on a black couple that owned the forking property, then the cops handcuffed the rightful property owners because of the actions of the white neighbor. This all happened because the white neighbor assumed black people couldn't afford to live there, so they must be thieves and criminals. This isn't grasping at straws, this is blatant racism. And you brush it aside because you didn't like an adverb choice, which is par for the course with you and your need to clutch your pearls at every turn of phrase you dislike. forking spare me.

 

[Snarky Sack]

That was very real and stark racism. There wasn't any grasping at straws.

If it happened that way, sure.

 

[Incumbent]

My nitpick wad with your use of "abruptly," which did not appear in the article.

I've addressed the existence of racism. I don't know what more you'd have me say.

My only point is that there is plenty of real racism to talk about, so we dont need to grasp at every straw.

If you weren't intentionally focused on trying to detract from the actual issue, it's language that could help you understand what "aggressively ignored" meant.

Do you think he slowly turned away as he gently closed the blinds, or do you think it's likely that the word aggressively was intentionally meant to portray how he came across in not returning the friendly gesture? Of course it's the latter. I think you actually know that because the words, in this case, describe a scene that isn't actually difficult to understand. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that you're being intentionally obtuse rather than genuinely incapable of picturing what was being described.

 

[samiam5211]

My nitpick wad with your use of "abruptly," which did not appear in the article.

I've addressed the existence of racism. I don't know what more you'd have me say.

My only point is that there is plenty of real racism to talk about, so we dont need to grasp at every straw.

It's not the racists that murder black people who have the most impact on people's lives.

It's the lady at the store who follows someone around, or the lady at checkout who makes a face at a black family.

Those small interactions that most black people deal with multiple times every day have more impact than the type of racist who burns crosses in people's yards.

 

[Incumbent]

I'm saying the the phrasing makes me doubt the story. To me, it doesn't have a ring of truth.

Not to worry. Seems there are plenty of believers here.

I think the doubt comes first, for you, and that's why you're hung up on something that isn't actually difficult to understand.

If you wave at the guy seated at the end of the bar in his red ballcap, and he slams his Coors light down harder than necessary and looks away, you might sense he was showing aggression in ignoring you.

 

[Snarky Sack]

If you weren't intentionally focused on trying to detract from the actual issue, it's language that could help you understand what "aggressively ignored" meant.

Do you think he slowly turned away as he gently closed the blinds, or do you think it's likely that the word aggressively was intentionally meant to portray how he came across in not returning the friendly gesture? Of course it's the latter.

But, the word abruptly was thrown in by a poster on here who wasn't at the event. It wasn't used by the person who was there, nor by the person who reported the story on Twitter or whatever. That is what I meant about the telephone game.

But maybe people don't know what that is anymore. And the telephone game you start with a sentence with a factual statement and the first person reads it and Whisper it to the next person who Whispers it to the next person for about 10 repetitions. By the time it gets to the last person and they say out loud what it was, it is nearly always completely different. And that's with no motivation of politics or anything else just people trying to keep a single sentence straight and not being able to do it.

I think you actually know that because the words, in this case, describe a scene that isn't actually difficult to understand. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that you're being intentionally obtuse rather than genuinely incapable of picturing what was being described.

If the only story was we saw the neighbors peeking at us and he closed the blinds, my interpretation would not be racism. My interpretation would be that the person was embarrassed that having been caught peaking and closed the blinds.

I think it is entirely possible that a black family would interpret the blind closing as racism, and report it so to the person named Robin who wrote the article. They may have embellished it, and Robin may have embellished it.

Or maybe it happened 100% as Robin reported it, and maybe the blind really was close abruptly and the poster who used that word just happened to get it right.

Here's my point, and maybe I should have led with this. There are plenty of real true life stories of severe racism that harms people. Let's avoid using apocryphal stories that are not needed in discussions about that.

 

[Incumbent]

But, the word abruptly was thrown in by a poster on here who wasn't at the event. It wasn't used by the person who was there, nor by the person who reported the story on Twitter or whatever. That is what I meant about the telephone game.

But maybe people don't know what that is anymore. And the telephone game you start with a sentence with a factual statement and the first person reads it and Whisper it to the next person who Whispers it to the next person for about 10 repetitions. By the time it gets to the last person and they say out loud what it was, it is nearly always completely different. And that's with no motivation of politics or anything else just people trying to keep a single sentence straight and not being able to do it.


If the only story was we saw the neighbors peeking at us and he closed the blinds, my interpretation would not be racism. My interpretation would be that the person was embarrassed that having been caught peaking and closed the blinds.

I think it is entirely possible that a black family would interpret the blind closing as racism, and report it so to the person named Robin who wrote the article. They may have embellished it, and Robin may have embellished it.

Or maybe it happened 100% as Robin reported it, and maybe the blind really was close abruptly and the poster who used that word just happened to get it right.

Here's my point, and maybe I should have led with this. There are plenty of real true life stories of severe racism that harms people. Let's avoid using apocryphal stories that are not needed in discussions about that.

Got it. Maybe you aren't being intentionally obtuse after all...

You can only get there by choosing to ignore the description of "aggressively ignored" which indicates he did something that came across as aggressive to them. I used abruptly as an interpretation of what that could mean. I think that approach gets closer to trying to understand the situation than your approach of deciding you don't like the phrasing so you'll just drop that from the equation.

And then continue to gloss over that he didn't just ignore the wave, but that he came out to confront them, accuse them of malicious intent, and had called the police.

You're right that there are plenty of real stories of racism that harm people, and many of those start with nosy, bigoted people being unnecessarily confrontational and calling the police in exactly this manner.

 

[Snarky Sack]

I think the doubt comes first, for you, and that's why you're hung up on something that isn't actually difficult to understand.

If you wave at the guy seated at the end of the bar in his red ballcap, and he slams his Coors light down harder than necessary and looks away, you might sense he was showing aggression in ignoring you.

I might interpret the slamming up beer as aggression, probably motivated by him thinking I was weird for waving at a stranger in a bar. Or I might just think he's had a few too many cores and isn't really controlling his motor functions that well. Or that maybe he has a disability where he always has trouble with his motor functions.

Or maybe there was a critter crawling across the bar that he wanted to smash. Or maybe he hallucinated one.

What I'm saying is that there are plenty of interpretations one could spend for the simple closing of a blind. I'm just wondering how productive that actually is in the larger discussion about the existence of racism.

Since y'all have forced me to think about this so much in depth, I would think that a much more quote aggressive unquote way to close the blinds would have been too slowly close the blinds while lowering his head to stare menacingly at the hated new family.

Maybe Robin didn't think of that..

 

[Incumbent]

I might interpret the slamming up beer as aggression, probably motivated by him thinking I was weird for waving at a stranger in a bar. Or I might just think he's had a few too many cores and isn't really controlling his motor functions that well. Or that maybe he has a disability where he always has trouble with his motor functions.

Or maybe there was a critter crawling across the bar that he wanted to smash. Or maybe he hallucinated one.

What I'm saying is that there are plenty of interpretations one could spend for the simple closing of a blind. I'm just wondering how productive that actually is in the larger discussion about the existence of racism.

Since y'all have forced me to think about this so much in depth, I would think that a much more quote aggressive unquote way to close the blinds would have been too slowly close the blinds while lowering his head to stare menacingly at the hated new family.

Maybe Robin didn't think of that..

Sure, until he steps in front of you as you make your way to the exit and starts making accusations and threats. Then the little light goes on and you understand he has a problem with you.

Nobody forced you to do anything, but you know that already.