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    THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY is quietly broadening its efforts to curb speech it considers dangerous, an investigation by The Intercept has found. Years of internal DHS memos, emails, and documents — obtained via leaks and an ongoing lawsuit, as well as public documents — illustrate an expansive effort by the agency to influence tech platforms.

    The work, much of which remains unknown to the American public, came into clearer view earlier this year when DHS announced a new “Disinformation Governance Board”: a panel designed to police misinformation (false information spread unintentionally), disinformation (false information spread intentionally), and malinformation (factual information shared, typically out of context, with harmful intent) that allegedly threatens U.S. interests. While the board was widely ridiculed, immediately scaled back, and then shut down within a few months, other initiatives are underway as DHS pivots to monitoring social media now that its original mandate — the war on terror — has been wound down.

    Behind closed doors, and through pressure on private platforms, the U.S. government has used its power to try to shape online discourse. According to meeting minutes and other records appended to a lawsuit filed by Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt, a Republican who is also running for Senate, discussions have ranged from the scale and scope of government intervention in online discourse to the mechanics of streamlining takedown requests for false or intentionally misleading information.

    “Platforms have got to get comfortable with gov’t. It’s really interesting how hesitant they remain,” Microsoft executive Matt Masterson, a former DHS official, texted Jen Easterly, a DHS director, in February.

    In a March meeting, Laura Dehmlow, an FBI official, warned that the threat of subversive information on social media could undermine support for the U.S. government. Dehmlow, according to notes of the discussion attended by senior executives from Twitter and JPMorgan Chase, stressed that “we need a media infrastructure that is held accountable.”

    Key Takeaways
    • Though DHS shuttered its controversial Disinformation Governance Board, a strategic document reveals the underlying work is ongoing.
    • DHS plans to target inaccurate information on “the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic and the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the nature of U.S. support to Ukraine.”
    • Facebook created a special portal for DHS and government partners to report disinformation directly.


    -The work is primarily done by CISA, a DHS sub-agency tasked with protecting critical national infrastructure.

    -DHS, the FBI, and several media entities are having biweekly meetings as recently as August.
    DHS considered countering disinformation relating to content that undermines trust in financial systems and courts.

    -The FBI agent who primed social media platforms to take down the Hunter Biden laptop story continued to have a role in DHS policy discussions.

    ...In retrospect, the New York Post reporting on the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop ahead of the 2020 election provides an elucidating case study of how this works in an increasingly partisan environment.

    Much of the public ignored the reporting or assumed it was false, as over 50 former intelligence officials charged that the laptop story was a creation of a “Russian disinformation” campaign. The mainstream media was primed by allegations of election interference in 2016 — and, to be sure, Trump did attempt to use the laptop to disrupt the Biden campaign. Twitter ended up banning links to the New York Post’s report on the contents of the laptop during the crucial weeks leading up to the election. Facebook also throttled users’ ability to view the story.

    In recent months, a clearer picture of the government’s influence has emerged.

    In an appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast in August, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg revealed that Facebook had limited sharing of the New York Post’s reporting after a conversation with the FBI. “The background here is that the FBI came to us — some folks on our team — and was like, ‘Hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election,’” Zuckerberg told Rogan. The FBI told them, Zuckerberg said, that “‘We have it on notice that basically there’s about to be some kind of dump.’” When the Post’s story came out in October 2020, Facebook thought it “fit that pattern” the FBI had told them to look out for.

    Zuckerberg said he regretted the decision, as did Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter at the time. Despite claims that the laptop’s contents were forged, the Washington Post confirmed that at least some of the emails on the laptop were authentic. The New York Times authenticated emails from the laptop — many of which were cited in the original New York Post reporting from October 2020 — that prosecutors have examined as part of the Justice Department’s probe into whether the president’s son violated the law on a range of issues, including money laundering, tax-related offenses, and foreign lobbying registration.

    Documents filed in federal court as part of a lawsuit by the attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana add a layer of new detail to Zuckerberg’s anecdote, revealing that officials leading the push to expand the government’s reach into disinformation also played a quiet role in shaping the decisions of social media giants around the New York Post story.

     
    Since 2016? When Trump became president and Republicans controlled all branches of government? But it's the Democrats ... 🙄
    The calls for censorship and controlling misinformation started after Trump was elected. Did Democrats want censorship prior to 2016?
     
    The calls for censorship and controlling misinformation started after Trump was elected. Did Democrats want censorship prior to 2016?

    The Democrats don't want censorship now, that's Republicans with their book banning. So I don't know what you're talking about.

    I have no problem with the Federal government fighting disinformation, especially after 2016. But the DGB you're freaking out about didn't even get off the ground and was canceled. It started this year and ended a month later, It never did anything. How does that reach back to 2016? Why did you even make this thread?
     
    I'm against the Patriot Act.
    I'm sure.
    What Trump threats are you referring to?
    You kidding, right?
    The Oath Keepers were going to overthrow the US election? I find that hard to believe.
    There certainly was an attempt, backed by a number of people in government. But of course you are going to dismiss it, 'cause, you know...
    Do you support the censorship that's been happening under the Biden administration?
    What you call "censorship", I call a fight against foreign and domestic propaganda that puts the U.S. at risk at many levels. But you are just looking for a hashtag. Never mind the book banning and education suppression, it is forking tweets by foreign and domestic bots and crazies that you are all up in arms about.
     
    Don't look now @SaintForLife , but Twitter is doing more censoring on behalf of the government. :omg2:

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    Twitter has disrupted three China-based operations that were covertly trying to influence American politics in the months leading up the midterm elections by amplifying politically polarizing topics, according to a trove of data released by the social media giant to researchers and The Washington Post.

    The operations spanned nearly 2,000 user accounts, some of which purported to be located in the United States, and weighed in on a wide variety of hot-button issues, including election-rigging claims about the 2020 presidential election and criticism of members of the transgender community. Two of the three networks favored the U.S. right and one skewed left. At least some repeated pro-China narratives aimed at an American audience.

    Twitter also took down three networks that were based in Iran but often claimed to be based in the United States or Israel, the data shows. At least one of the accounts involved in the Iranian efforts, 10Votes81, endorsed candidates even in local races. An account named 10Votes and using the same logo as an avatar was also active on YouTube, TikTok and especially Reddit, said Renée DiResta of Stanford’s Election Integrity Partnership, one of the data’s recipients.

    Twitter said in its disclosure to researchers that it was not attributing the activity to any specific governments. Twitter did not respond to a request for further comment. China’s Embassy in Washington did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

    Twitter’s takedown of the networks, which mostly operated between April and October, came during a stormy period for the social media giant as it prepared to be sold to billionaire Elon Musk and faced ongoing scrutiny over how it polices misinformation ahead of next week’s midterms, when political control of Congress is up for grabs.
    Twitter and other tech platforms have struggled particularly to curb the spread of false claims of widespread voter fraud during the 2020 presidential election and to mitigate suggestions of fraud in the upcoming contests.

    The disclosure by Twitter adds to what is known about China-based efforts to influence American audiences by mimicking the strategies Russia-based operatives used to stoke cultural and political tensions during the 2016 election. In September, Meta announced it had disrupted a China-based operation seeking to influence U.S. politics. The U.S. government also has issued warnings about Chinese influence efforts, as have a spate of reports from cybersecurity firms including Google’s Mandiant, Recorded Future and Alethea Group.

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    Nitpicking about an insignificant detail in one of the biggest stories of the year?
    It's not nitpicking. A key point your fellow from twitter is making is that this is an overreach by DHS and the scope of their responsibilities has been drifting.

    It really hasn't. Maybe, just maybe, the current focus has changed a bit, but governments are always concerned about what information is out there.
     
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    Yeah it's better to use cut outs so people aren't able to notice the government propaganda.

    They likely wrote that meaning, they, the govt KNOW they arent providing misleading info (propaganda), but there will always be the spectre of it looking like it, so have a non-profit do the work to ALSO appear more on the up and up.
     
    I'm confused by your post. Are you for the censorship that's been taking place under the Biden Administration or against it?
    Neither. Saying it's muddy. However, I am for the truth. I detest lies and knowingly false information. Persuasion is one thing. Misleading is even one thing. Fabrication is another. Outright lies, are a problem for everyone.
     
    A decent thread by SFL... but still waiting for him to at least once call out horrific GOP tactics. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
     
    The calls for censorship and controlling misinformation started after Trump was elected. Did Democrats want censorship prior to 2016?
    That's not accurate. You did read the article you posted, right?

    The article as a whole is very non-partisan. And even mentions Trump signing it to law and things really beginning in earnest in 2018. Also, even Bush tried to use DHS to scare the USA more about terrorists. And, there is a blurb about Ron DeSantis' StopWOKE act being censorship.
     
    American citizens have the right to free speech without government interference, codified in the First Amendment.

    Russia and China do NOT have a right to free speech in America. They are not American citizens and do not have First Amendment protections.

    Ergo, the government is completely within its bounds to censor disinformation coming from foreign sources. And if that information is being laundered through American mouthpieces, then there's cause to censor those voices, as well.
     
    Is it even possible for the executive branch to violate the 1st amendment? It seems to only restrict congress.

    NM i answered my own question, the 14th amendment close that loophole.
     
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    Neither. Saying it's muddy. However, I am for the truth. I detest lies and knowingly false information. Persuasion is one thing. Misleading is even one thing. Fabrication is another. Outright lies, are a problem for everyone.
    Neither? That's not an answer. Why are you evading the question? I don't like false information either, but the government should have no role in determining what US citizens are saying on social media outside of anything illegal.
     
    Since 2016? When Trump became president and Republicans controlled all branches of government? But it's the Democrats ... 🙄
    Republicans controlling all branches of government in 2016 didn't keep the Democrats and the media from freaking out about those Russian Facebook ads, Cambridge Analytica, etc.
     
    Republicans controlling all branches of government in 2016 didn't keep the Democrats and the media from freaking out about those Russian Facebook ads, Cambridge Analytica, etc.
    We should all be freaking out about Russian facebook ads.

    Russia doesn't really support either party, but they certainly have one side feeling obligated to defend their right to spread propaganda.
     
    They likely wrote that meaning, they, the govt KNOW they arent providing misleading info (propaganda), but there will always be the spectre of it looking like it, so have a non-profit do the work to ALSO appear more on the up and up.
    Good effort at trying to put a good spin on that, but not quite. We know our government lies quite often.

    Who among us thinks the government should add to its work list the job of determining what is true and what is disinformation? And who thinks the government is capable of telling the truth? Our government produces lies and disinformation at industrial scale and always has. It overclassifies vital information to block its own citizens from becoming any the wiser. It pays thousands of press aides to play hide the salami with facts.

    This is the government that lied about winning the war in Vietnam, that said the Watergate affair was a “third-rate burglary,” that fought a secret war in Nicaragua, that lied about a clandestine love affair in the White House, that used faulty intelligence to force a war in the Middle East. Even President Barack Obama shortchanged the truth. Of 600 Obama statements PolitiFact checked during his administration, a quarter of them fell into the “red zone” of being false, mostly false, or “pants on fire” false. Not so long ago, 50 intelligence officials — each of them smarter and better informed than any DHS brainiac — assured the nation that the Hunter Biden laptop story bore “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” How did that work out? The idea that Covid could have come from a Chinese lab was similarly dismissed as disinformation; now it’s considered a legitimate possibility by the Biden administration. Meanwhile, we have documented proof from the Washington Post that even Joe Biden can’t handle simple truths! (We don’t need to reassess the Donald Trump presidency here, do we?)

    Making the federal government the official custodian of truth would be like Brink’s giving a safe-cracker a job driving an armored car. On top of that, who is going to accept DHS’ determinations? Not reporters, who are accustomed to government lies. Not the man in the street. Certainly not the so-called low-information voters the government would like to diaper and stuff into an escape-proof playpen. By conjuring the Disinformation Governance Board into existence, the Biden administration will give itself a referee’s power to declare some things completely out of bounds. Without stepping out on the slippery slope, that would give Biden’s people the power to find some things dangerous or objectionable. After branding something disinformation, it’s only a short slide to suppressing the contested information or replacing it with what Kellyanne Conway fancifully called “alternative facts.”

    If Russian disinformation is a problem, it has been so for almost a century. As Lawfare reported in 2017, the Russians started sending out fake defectors in the 1930s to spread disinformation in the West. After World War II, the Soviets shifted their focus to the United States. Two years after the surrender of Nazi Germany, Soviet leadership sought to influence public opinion by covertly funding newspapers and radio stations around the world and establishing fronts to nurture communism. It forged documents and attempted to plant them in credible publications. In one disinformation campaign, it promulgated the tall tale that AIDS was the product of an American biological weapons experimentation. And so on.

    Somehow we survived the Soviet onslaught without a Disinformation Governance Board to guide us. Not every particle of disinformation can be blocked. Anybody who is good at inventing lies can produce disinformation faster than anybody can shoot disinformation down. (See this RAND report about the Russian “firehose“ of lies.) Instead of installing a Truth Politburo at DHS, the government should leave the job of policing disinformation to the competitive organs of the press, which compete “to obtain the earliest and most correct intelligence of the time, and instantly, by disclosing them to make them the common property of the nation,” as Times of London editor J. T. Delane put it in 1852.

    If DHS so badly needs a paperwork project, it can address a problem closer to home: set up a bureau to study and eradicate U.S. government disinformation.

     
    We should all be freaking out about Russian facebook ads.

    Russia doesn't really support either party, but they certainly have one side feeling obligated to defend their right to spread propaganda.
    What about US propaganda?
     
    I'm sure.

    You kidding, right?

    There certainly was an attempt, backed by a number of people in government. But of course you are going to dismiss it, 'cause, you know...

    What you call "censorship", I call a fight against foreign and domestic propaganda that puts the U.S. at risk at many levels. But you are just looking for a hashtag. Never mind the book banning and education suppression, it is forking tweets by foreign and domestic bots and crazies that you are all up in arms about.
    I'm up in arms about the US government infringing on US citizens 1st amendment rights by pressuring social media companies to restrict what can be said online.
     
    Don't look now @SaintForLife , but Twitter is doing more censoring on behalf of the government. :omg2:

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    Twitter has disrupted three China-based operations that were covertly trying to influence American politics in the months leading up the midterm elections by amplifying politically polarizing topics, according to a trove of data released by the social media giant to researchers and The Washington Post.

    The operations spanned nearly 2,000 user accounts, some of which purported to be located in the United States, and weighed in on a wide variety of hot-button issues, including election-rigging claims about the 2020 presidential election and criticism of members of the transgender community. Two of the three networks favored the U.S. right and one skewed left. At least some repeated pro-China narratives aimed at an American audience.

    Twitter also took down three networks that were based in Iran but often claimed to be based in the United States or Israel, the data shows. At least one of the accounts involved in the Iranian efforts, 10Votes81, endorsed candidates even in local races. An account named 10Votes and using the same logo as an avatar was also active on YouTube, TikTok and especially Reddit, said Renée DiResta of Stanford’s Election Integrity Partnership, one of the data’s recipients.

    Twitter said in its disclosure to researchers that it was not attributing the activity to any specific governments. Twitter did not respond to a request for further comment. China’s Embassy in Washington did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

    Twitter’s takedown of the networks, which mostly operated between April and October, came during a stormy period for the social media giant as it prepared to be sold to billionaire Elon Musk and faced ongoing scrutiny over how it polices misinformation ahead of next week’s midterms, when political control of Congress is up for grabs.
    Twitter and other tech platforms have struggled particularly to curb the spread of false claims of widespread voter fraud during the 2020 presidential election and to mitigate suggestions of fraud in the upcoming contests.

    The disclosure by Twitter adds to what is known about China-based efforts to influence American audiences by mimicking the strategies Russia-based operatives used to stoke cultural and political tensions during the 2016 election. In September, Meta announced it had disrupted a China-based operation seeking to influence U.S. politics. The U.S. government also has issued warnings about Chinese influence efforts, as have a spate of reports from cybersecurity firms including Google’s Mandiant, Recorded Future and Alethea Group.

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    Does China-based operations also have 1st ammendment free speech rights in the US? No and I'm not sure what your point is.
     

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