Trump floats claims for Canada, Greenland, and the Panama Canal (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Oh, but he's only joking - well, maybe, so they say. Or sort of joking with Canada, and maybe not joking with Greenland - saying that "ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity" doesn't sound like a joke . . . and um, not sure about what the about Panama Canal thing is?

Trump Jokes Canada Becoming 51st US State 'A Great Idea'

US President-elect Donald Trump said Wednesday it would be "a great idea" for Canada to become the 51st US state, teasing on social media that "many Canadians" welcome the idea, as Ottawa is wracked by a political crisis.

www.barrons.com

Trump threatens to try to take back the Panama Canal. Panama's president balks at the suggestion

Donald Trump is suggesting that his new administration could try to regain control of the Panama Canal.

apnews.com

 

[horse2H5]

You don’t need to be a skilled negotiator to become a cult leader. All it takes is tapping into people’s fears and resentments, aligning yourself with their hatred of the same enemies. This is the hallmark of a demagogue—someone who gains power by exploiting emotions, prejudice, and division. Historical figures like Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin followed similar tactics, using fear and propaganda to manipulate and control their followers.

Sounds like Obama, hope and change. Did he not become a cult leader in the way you describe above? I am not saying it is bad, just pointing it out.

 

[Dragon]

Sounds like Obama, hope and change. Did he not become a cult leader in the way you describe above? I am not saying it is bad, just pointing it out.

No, Obama was about policy and progress. His campaign focused on concrete ideas like healthcare reform, economic recovery, and social justice. His message was about change, yes, but it was rooted in specific policy goals that were aimed at improving the country. You never heard people talking about loyalty to Obama himself, but rather to the values and goals he was advocating for.

Trump, on the other hand, is a classic example of a cult leader. For him, it's not about policy or progress—it's about loyalty to him. His followers aren’t just aligned with his policies, they’re expected to express unwavering allegiance to his personal image and beliefs. It's not about advocating for change in the country’s best interest, but about preserving his power and status. This distinction is key in understanding the difference between a leader with a vision for policy change and a demagogue who relies on personal loyalty to maintain control.

 

[fooferdoggie]

My friend, I am not arguing with you. Your article changed my mind.

Trump is a failure in business and is really broke. He is a terrible negotiator and all he does is take what he wants. He literally grabs them by whatever he wants. He is just a white alpha male with privilege. If it were not for his white privilege and his daddy, he would be nothing.

I can't believe I didn't realize this sooner.

he has done horrible in buisness. but he has always had his rep and as usual he could talk banks into giving him loans he never paid back. He bragged about not paying banks back. the only thing that kept him going was the apprentice show. Plus Russian banks loans constant scams and ripoffs. this is just a small amount of his failures. trump cant run a business legally or well period. Just because you have the typical teen girl crush on the bad boy.

 

[faceman]

Sounds like Obama, hope and change. Did he not become a cult leader in the way you describe above? I am not saying it is bad, just pointing it out.

I don't recall Obama threatening allies with military force. Do you have examples?

 

[bird]

I am not sure who RW is. I am asking you be polite to me when we converse as I will with you. However, you seem very angry.

Ok so according you, appointing a court of right leaning judges was not a victory for MAGA?

Ok, here is another, he became president twice, after having a loaded deck against him 3 times. Surprised everyone in the first election, social media robbed of the second election, social media granted him the 3rd election. Sounds like man who negotiated the landscape pretty well.

That is 2. I can go on forever. Are you going to stand on the hill that this man Donald J Trump is a bad negotiator and doesn't know how to achieve his goals?

The SCOTUS was a victory for RW idiocy and RW/libertarian wealth. Trump, had he had to pick justices with no one to give him the answers would have not known what to do. Also a victory for MAGA is not the same as a Trump successful negotiation.

Wow, he became president twice. That is more an indictment of the stupidity of the electorate than a victory for Trump. Trump won the first time because of a few things. In no particular order: he made spouting misogyny, racism openly acceptable, the media gave him a complete free pass and an election system established to placate slaveholders permitted it.

His second election failure was due to his own stupidity.

His third election success can be seen in polling numbers that showed Latino males and Black males supported him which is, imo, a direct result of racism and sexism/misogyny. Which in turn is an indictment of the electorate.

Had a Democrat been convicted of felonies and acted the way he has throughout his presidency and private life I would have been unsurprised if you would have screamed bloody murder.

Your initial statement is disingenuous at best.

Your statement is that Trump is an excellent negotiator. He is not. In his business dealings he is a failure. In his political dealings he is shrewd and cunning but stupid and requires people behind the scenes as well as a stupidly compliant party for him to have success. Oh, and a dumbazz electorate.

 

[horse2H5]

If he is such a bad business man and loses money on all of his deals, why would banks continue to lend him money? Is he that good of a negotiator that he tricks the most powerful finance institutions in the world to give him hundreds of millions of dollars?

That doesn't equate does it?

 

[Dragon]

If he is such a bad business man and loses money on all of his deals, why would banks continue to lend him money? Is he that good of a negotiator that he tricks the most powerful finance institutions in the world to give him hundreds of millions of dollars?

That doesn't equate does it?

Leverage—and the fact that U.S. banks no longer lend him money.

He now relies on financing from Russia and Saudi Arabia, something he and his sons have openly bragged about multiple times.

Now, think about the kind of leverage someone holds if they can call in all those debts at any moment. It’s not just financial—it’s power, control, and influence over decisions that could affect entire nations.

 

[fooferdoggie]

If he is such a bad business man and loses money on all of his deals, why would banks continue to lend him money? Is he that good of a negotiator that he tricks the most powerful finance institutions in the world to give him hundreds of millions of dollars?

That doesn't equate does it?

because that has been the way it is. He got a huge loan from the Russian bank did not pay it back and even sued them over it and lost and they loaned him money again. so why did they do that? He bragged in one of his books about getting loans and with no plans on paying them back. he has lied about his assets too. he is a pretty good con man he had the rep in NY of not paying contractors. when you are willing to not follow the law you can make more money. I guess you forgot about this head honcho who went to jail? At his first Hotel, he conned the bank to get the loan. the first day his casino opened he failed to make the first 1 million payment so his dad came and dumped a bunch of money at the casino turned out he had to do it twice and they got caught. His daddy bailed him out over and over again when he forked up. Rich people get away with scams as long as they don't scam other rich people.
all you have to do is look at all the money he raked in from the public with his election lies. He got them to pay his legal fees when he actually paid them and not stiffed the lawyers. He is notorious for not paying his bills.

 

[horse2H5]

because that has been the way it is. He got a huge loan from the Russian bank did not pay it back and even sued them over it and lost and they loaned him money again. so why did they do that? He bragged in one of his books about getting loans and with no plans on paying them back. he has lied about his assets too. he is a pretty good con man he had the rep in NY of not paying contractors. when you are willing to not follow the law you can make more money. I guess you forgot about this head honcho who went to jail? At his first Hotel, he conned the bank to get the loan. the first day his casino opened he failed to make the first 1 million payment so his dad came and dumped a bunch of money at the casino turned out he had to do it twice and they got caught. His daddy bailed him out over and over again when he forked up. Rich people get away with scams as long as they don't scam other rich people.

How long ago did his father pass? Let it geaux, let it geaux.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Leverage—and the fact that U.S. banks no longer lend him money.

Actually, a California bank helped him out after he lost the election.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump left the White House facing a cash crunch and a tattered reputation after his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, threatening the viability of his business empire. Soon, though, a new source stepped forward to provide a financial lifeline when many longtime lenders refused.


Over the past two years, Axos Bank, as well as its largest individual shareholder, California billionaire Don Hankey, have collectively extended more than $500 million in financing that has benefited Trump, records show. The cash influx has helped Trump to pay off debts and pocket a tidy profit while escaping from a lease on his money-losing former hotel in Washington.

It also covered a $175 million down payment he made this week on an eye-popping civil fraud penalty.

Axos Bank officials as well as Hankey have said that the deals offer them a financial upside.

 

[faceman]

If he is such a bad business man and loses money on all of his deals, why would banks continue to lend him money? Is he that good of a negotiator that he tricks the most powerful finance institutions in the world to give him hundreds of millions of dollars?

That doesn't equate does it?

U.S banks have cut him off. Surely you know this


edit i stand corrected thanks fooferdoggie. 175M is chump change if you own the President

 

[fooferdoggie]

How long ago did his father pass? Let it geaux, let it geaux.

if his dad had not bailed him out he would have been history. he bailed Trump out over and over again. he sold his name and he did well on the apprentice. not on business.
Trump has marketed his name on a large number of building projects as well as commercial products and services, achieving mixed success doing so for himself, his partners, and investors in the projects. In 2011, Forbes' financial experts estimated the value of the Trump brand at $200 million.

But Trump was unable to control his spending….In 1978, the same year that Fred Trump set up the credit line for his son at Chase Manhattan, Trump’s personal finances collapsed….Losses came across the board. A number of Trump’s New York rental properties—on Third Avenue, Fifth Avenue, East 56th Street, East 57th Street, East 61st Street and East 67th Street—all were financial flops….Partnership investments—Park Briar Associates, Regency Lexington Partners and 220 Prospect Street Company—contributed even more red ink. The interest owed to Chase Manhattan on Trump’s massive use of his credit line topped off the dismal financial performance.
….No one could withstand these types of losses given the comparatively paltry amount of money available to offset them. So Trump took the same route he did for the rest of that decade and in decades to come: He borrowed more to keep himself afloat….On September 24, 1980, Fred Trump arranged for a series of loans totaling $7.5 million to his son….That same day, one of the Trump family’s companies, Trump Village Construction Corporation, lent Donald Trump an additional $976,238. All of the loans could be paid back at any time, and Donald Trump was not liable for any of the interest payments on them.

So what kind of businessman is Donald Trump? The truth is that it hasn’t been allbungling and failure—just most of it. There have basically been six eras of Trump:

1970s: The Era of Early Failures. See above. Trump breaks into the Manhattan real estate market but racks up loss after loss. He is bailed out by his father.
Early 1980s: The Era of Success. A chastened Trump apparently decides to buckle down and pay attention to work. It’s during this period that he puts together the parcels and financing for Trump Tower, one of his most successful projects. This is the briefest of the Trump eras.
Mid 80s/early 90s: The Era of Catastrophic Failure. Trump reverts to form. He negotiates terrible deals for a USFL team, the Plaza Hotel, the Eastern Shuttle, and a yacht he never uses. He obsesses over plans to develop a grandiose project he called Television City, located on 57 acres of land along the Hudson River. But he bungles the deal and loses control. He builds casinos in Atlantic City, but epically mismanages them and loses a huge sum. By 1991 he’s broke. He avoids personal bankruptcy partly by

browbeating his bankers and partly by pleading for tens of millions of dollars in loans from his father and his siblings.
Mid/late 90s: The Era of Desolation.Trump finally emerges in 1995, no longer broke but no longer all that rich either. His marriage to Marla Maples is heading south, and ends in divorce in 1999. He keeps up a brave public face, but these are bleak years with nothing much to maintain his interest. Then, in 1999, Trump’s father dies, followed by his mother in 2000. Trump inherits roughly $70 million or so.
2000 and beyond: The Era of Golf and Licensing. Building skyscrapers is now out of reach, since no one will lend Trump the kind of scratch that takes. So he starts overpaying for golf courses instead. Beyond that, he finally finds something he’s good at: making money from his mouth. He licenses his name to naive developers from overseas who still think he’s the king of real estate. He lends his name to a seemingly endless string of penny ante businesses—Trump steaks, Trump vodka, Trump radio—as well as a dodgy assortment of penny-ante scams—Trump University, Trump diets, Trump mortgages. In 2004, he hits the jackpot of random luck when reality king Mark Burnett chooses him to host The Apprentice, a show perfectly suited to Trump’s talents for bullying and bombast.
2015-16: The Era of Making America Great Again. You all know this part of the story, right?

Donald Trump's first 30 years: Business failures and bailouts from Dad

www.motherjones.com

 

[faceman]

If he is such a bad business man and loses money on all of his deals, why would banks continue to lend him money? Is he that good of a negotiator that he tricks the most powerful finance institutions in the world to give him hundreds of millions of dollars?

That doesn't equate does it?

you are 81 correct? surely you remember the old saying Am I rich enough to buy a U.S Senator? The Tech boys are going a step above

 

[fooferdoggie]

U.S banks have cut him off. Surely you know this


edit i stand corrected thanks fooferdoggie. 175M is chump change if you own the President

yes I think there was some deal with the shareholder that did the deal. it was not a regular loan.

 

[CoolBrees]

If he is such a bad business man and loses money on all of his deals, why would banks continue to lend him money? Is he that good of a negotiator that he tricks the most powerful finance institutions in the world to give him hundreds of millions of dollars?

That doesn't equate does it?

No federally backed bank has lent a dime to Trump in over 20 years. He has been blacklisted by them all.

All of his loans come from either private equity, China, Russia or Saudi Arabia. This has been the case for two decades.

I am kind of impressed with how confidently you espouse wrong information.

 

[Dragon]

That was an older article and Axios is in trouble. Wonder if Trump ever repaid that short loan

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/...kes-short-position-axos-financial-2024-06-04/

 

[horse2H5]

U.S banks have cut him off. Surely you know this


edit i stand corrected thanks fooferdoggie. 175M is chump change if you own the President

If you say so. A quick google search will tell you he borrows money from US banks all the time. Heck are we not seeing court cases over banks lending him more money than the property was worth (even though is was total BS)?

This is such a weird thing for y'all to squabble about. It is obvious that the people responding in this thread are not in the lending nor real estate business. Stop reading articles from "journalist" who have never created anything of substance in the business sector of life and proclaim it as truth. TDS is real.

 

[horse2H5]

you are 81 correct? surely you remember the old saying Am I rich enough to buy a U.S Senator? The Tech boys are going a step above

No, I miss keyed, I did let the moderator know. For your info, I am 51. I keyed 1943 my business ID number instead of 1973 my year of birth.