Thoughts on the Assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson (1 Viewer)

[coldseat]

I haven't been watching much news since the election, but this assassination attempt on the CEO of United Healthcare caught my attention. What are you thoughts on it?

This was clearly a targeted murder. The murderer even wrote messages on the bullet casings. The difference in responses to this between the media/political class and the general public commenting on the story is night and day. There is almost no sympathy or shock from the general public responding to this story, more of a "not surprised, what do you expect" response. There seems to be more sympathy or justification for the murderer and the situation people assume he's in because of his actions. My own initial reaction was also along the lines of not being surprised. Just take a second to read through comments on any youtube or news story about this. I honestly can't remember such a strident reaction from the general public to a story about an assassination of somebody that wasn't a well known antagonist (i.e. like Donald Trump, another billionaire) in recent memory.

Clearly not everybody is blaming minorities and illegal immigrants for their problems. Do you think we will be seeing more of this type of violence against the elite CEO and billionaire class going forward? Should they take this as a warning?

I see this as a bad omen for our society, but as I already said, not a surprising one. United Healthcare has the highest rejection rate for insurance claims among all insurers and a lot of the policies that this guy implemented are the reason why. People are raging at the imbalance in our society and tried of being squeezed at every corner and they have easy access to weapons. Given that Republicans will do nothing to address these inequities, I only see the violence escalating from here.

 

[fooferdoggie]

looks like scammers are using this I got an offer of a free electric toothbrush from united heathcare.

 

[Texan1211]

So, you fail to understand what the difference between the ACA and Medicare is. Unsurprising, really.

Now, speaking of answers, why is the ACA so well liked but Obamacare isn’t?

total bs. Don't you know Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing? Your question is senseless to the nth degree.

 

[Sendai]

I wonder how many are getting subsidies and at what cost. How are they managing to pay thousands in deductibles?

This explains it.

Explaining Health Care Reform: Questions About Health Insurance Subsidies | KFF

This brief provides an overview of the financial assistance provided under the ACA for people purchasing coverage on their own through health insurance Marketplaces (also called exchanges).

www.kff.org

The subsidies and out of pocket expense controls for lower income are quite nice.

And it’s graduated so there are cost reductions for middle income as well.

I know people covered ACA plans and they are satisfied with the cost and coverage.

 

[CoolBrees]

If the government is going to be involved in healthcare, I would like to see the government hire its own doctors, run its own hospitals and clinics, hire its own nurses, staff, etc. . Let anyone with employer or private insurance obtained on their own keep it if they choose. Make anyone with government-sponsored healthcare insurance go to only the government facilities. No paperwork needed, simply show your valid government ID. Hire doctors nearing the end of their practices to work (they may not want the expense of running an office themselves and pay exorbitant malpractice insurance), hire new graduates and those with a lot of student debt. Have them sign a work contract for a set period of time, and then the debts are forgiven at the end of their contracts. Don't allow folks to sue the government over minor mistakes.
What I have seen when I tried to get a policy on the exchange was very high rates and crazy-high deductibles. Great if you face a catastrophic event, but not much good otherwise. But can people who must receive a subsidy to get one of those plans even afford the deductibles running in the thousands?

I approve of this full throated support for socialism in America.

Since democracy and socialism are compatible - one is a form of government and one is an economic model-
I think we should also allow for entry of national interest in the markets of natural resources and their main products (steel, pulp and paper etc), grocery, phone and internet service and should be allowed to enter the market in niche industry sector too (aerospace) .

For all of the exact reasons and methods you so eloquently laid forth. Industry respective of course.

Certainly you wouldn't restrict the wonders of socialism only to health care.

We must agree that we let businesses, who make trillions off the government (RAND alone has made many times that), be involved in government, and have massive sway in government. Why can't the government be involved in business? Right?

I'm glad we agree.

Democratic Socialism it is then.

 

[Texan1211]

This explains it.

Explaining Health Care Reform: Questions About Health Insurance Subsidies | KFF

This brief provides an overview of the financial assistance provided under the ACA for people purchasing coverage on their own through health insurance Marketplaces (also called exchanges).

www.kff.org

The subsidies and out of pocket expense controls for lower income are quite nice.

And it’s graduated so there are cost reductions for middle income as well.

I know people covered ACA plans and they are satisfied with the cost and coverage.

Please, do us all a favor and take 10 minutes to look at what policies are available in your state on the exchange, and note the costs and deductibles.

 

[SystemShock]

More of the madness of RFK, Jr. and his cronies

https://archive.is/VRyJb

A lawyer in his circle of whackjobbery has petitioned the FDA to withdraw approval of the polio vaccine and hepatitis B vaccine.

Make America Gimpy Again.

 

[bird]

If the government is going to be involved in healthcare, I would like to see the government hire its own doctors, run its own hospitals and clinics, hire its own nurses, staff, etc. . Let anyone with employer or private insurance obtained on their own keep it if they choose. Make anyone with government-sponsored healthcare insurance go to only the government facilities. No paperwork needed, simply show your valid government ID. Hire doctors nearing the end of their practices to work (they may not want the expense of running an office themselves and pay exorbitant malpractice insurance), hire new graduates and those with a lot of student debt. Have them sign a work contract for a set period of time, and then the debts are forgiven at the end of their contracts. Don't allow folks to sue the government over minor mistakes.
What I have seen when I tried to get a policy on the exchange was very high rates and crazy-high deductibles. Great if you face a catastrophic event, but not much good otherwise. But can people who must receive a subsidy to get one of those plans even afford the deductibles running in the thousands?

They are subsidized. Of course, Republicans are poised to let the subsidies expire.

So, you want a completely government owned and run healthcare system. But doctors have to be old or young and heavily in debt. But actually, you want a two-tiered system where poor people go one place and wealth goes to another.

Go watch Elysium.

 

[Texan1211]

I approve of this full throated support for socialism in America.

Since democracy and socialism are compatible - one is a form of government and one is an economic model-
I think we should also allow for entry of national interest in the markets of natural resources and their main products (steel, pulp and paper etc), grocery, phone and internet service and should be allowed to enter the market in niche industry sector too (aerospace) .

For all of the exact reasons and methods you so eloquently laid forth. Industry respective of course.

Certainly you wouldn't restrict the wonders of socialism only to health care.

We must agree that we let businesses, who make trillions off the government (RAND alone has made many times that), be involved in government, and have massive sway in government. Why can't the government be involved in business? Right?

I'm glad we agree.

Democratic Socialism it is then.

They are subsidized.

yes, I believe that fact isn;t in dispute anywhere here, is it?

They are subsidized. Of course, Republicans are poised to let the subsidies expire.

So, you want a completely government owned and run healthcare system. But doctors have to be old or young and heavily in debt. But actually, you want a two-tiered system where poor people go one place and wealth goes to another.

Go watch Elysium.

Please READ my posts before commenting.
If there was something in y post incomprehensible to you, let me know.

 

[bird]

yes, I believe that fact isn;t in dispute anywhere here, is it?

Please READ my posts before commenting.
If there was something in y post incomprehensible to you, let me know.

Nothing you write is incomprehensible. Intellligent? No. But comprehensible. Like most Republicans.

 

[Texan1211]

Nothing you write is incomprehensible.

Gee, I am using standard English. Maybe you can Google for the meanings of the words and try to figure out why it is incomprehensible to YOU.
Or maybe that is beyond your ken.

 

[MT15]

I am sorry you don't. I guess some just look at Obamacare and how it was sold to America, why are there till so many problems?

Do you have a plan from the exchange? What is YOUR deductible? Ho much of a subsidy, if any, do you get?

Good lord the base ignorance is stunning.

 

[MT15]

I can not stop you from your erroneous 'assumptions'. Please list all the times I have railed against single payer or any other type of healthcare system. Go!

You’ve been railing against the ACA in here for a few posts now that show your ignorance.

 

[Texan1211]

Good lord the base ignorance is stunning.

Yes, when people who have never even looked at the exchange start flapping lips, it is very evident.

 

[Texan1211]

If the government is going to be involved in healthcare, I would like to see the government hire its own doctors, run its own hospitals and clinics, hire its own nurses, staff, etc. . Let anyone with employer or private insurance obtained on their own keep it if they choose. Make anyone with government-sponsored healthcare insurance go to only the government facilities. No paperwork needed, simply show your valid government ID. Hire doctors nearing the end of their practices to work (they may not want the expense of running an office themselves and pay exorbitant malpractice insurance), hire new graduates and those with a lot of student debt. Have them sign a work contract for a set period of time, and then the debts are forgiven at the end of their contracts. Don't allow folks to sue the government over minor mistakes.
What I have seen when I tried to get a policy on the exchange was very high rates and crazy-high deductibles. Great if you face a catastrophic event, but not much good otherwise. But can people who must receive a subsidy to get one of those plans even afford the deductibles running in the thousands?

OOOh, a facepalm!!!!!!!!!!
Now do it about a hundred times, really hard, really fast..

 

[MT15]

Yes, when people who have never even looked at the exchange start flapping lips, it is very evident.

When did you look at the exchange, and was it in TX? You may want to consider that your results on the ACA will heavily depend on your income and your location. You were provided a resource to read on the ACA by Sendai. You should use it to educate yourself.

Your experience may not be the norm, you know.

 

[Texan1211]

, When did you look at the exchange, and was it in TX?

2019. 2020. 2021. 2022. 2203. Since I reside in Texas ,I felt it was best to look at the exchange here. Plus, insurance from another state doesn't necessarily work here, nor would the exchange allow purchase from another state's exchange.
I did plenty of research.
The plans were not affordable to me and I didn't qualify for any freebies.

 

[MT15]

2019. 2020. 2021. 2022. 2203. Since I reside in Texas ,I felt it was best to look at the exchange here. Plus, insurance from another state doesn't necessarily work here, nor would the exchange allow purchase from another state's exchange.
I did plenty of research.
The plans were not affordable to me and I didn't qualify for any freebies.

Yes, you have to purchase insurance where you live. Each state has a great deal to do with how the ACA is implemented. It’s no accident that it’s not very good in TX, I submit that was done on purpose by a state legislature who didn’t support it and doesn’t want it to work.

If you will read about how it is implemented in other states you may find that millions of people are very happy with their plans, and that these plans have been a godsend to them.

Just the two things that Donk mentioned are very helpful - taking away the pre-existing condition exception mainly. There was a period in our lives where we purchased our own healthcare plan - and during that time my husband had a serious condition develop which required surgery. After that claim, our rates sky-rocketed.

We were forced to remain on the plan, though, because if his condition ever returned, or if he had any side effects from it later, no new plan we could purchase would cover any of those expenses. The insurance company knew this - they jacked up our premiums by 300%. Eventually, I left our small company and went back to work elsewhere so we could afford to have medical insurance. It was either that or go without insurance at all.

 

[bird]

Gee, I am using standard English. Maybe you can Google for the meanings of the words and try to figure out why it is incomprehensible to YOU.
Or maybe that is beyond your ken.

Words, words, words.

That you use standard English is obvious. That your writing is incomprehensible is because your standard English words are cobbled together in a manner resulting in nonsense.

But then that is to be expected from you.

The next bus to Freeperville should be along shortly.