The Impeachment Process Has Officially Begun (10 Viewers)

[Andrus]

By Laura Bassett

After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

“Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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[Optimus Prime]

.....Eventually, according to what Parnas told his confidants, the topic turned to Ukraine that night. According to those two confidants, Parnas said that "the big guy," as he sometimes referred to the President in conversation, talked about tasking him and Fruman with what Parnas described as "a secret mission" to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter..........

Exclusive: After White House meeting, Parnas said he was on a ‘secret mission’ for Trump in Ukraine | CNN Politics

Among the many guests who had their pictures taken with President Donald Trump at the White House’s annual Hanukkah party last year were two Soviet-born businessmen from Florida, Lev Parnas and Igor  Fruman.

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[The Dude]

how do you know what sites I frequent?

in order

1. mma junkie
2. Mixed martial arts.com
3. Bjpenn.com
4. This board

I don’t do face book or iG. However I do participate in society and yes, I think I have a pretty good pulse of what the public thinks based upon my travels and day to day interactions with the regular public.

I will say I see the same type of memes about 3 other people. Trump Hillary and Epstein

I did not know which sites you visited and didn't say that I did, however it is obvious that we don't visit the same sites.

My question was framed in response to an assertion that you made when you stated "With the amount of memes with him in them, public perception is on my side".

You framed that as a if it were a fact rather than either your impression or opinion. I was perplexed as to how you came to the conclusion that the amount of memes that you are seeing is somehow a representation of public perception being on your side. My opinion is that that the amount of memes that you've seen has no bearing on actual quantitative perception.

We don't see anything like "According to a memes count taken by CBS News", out there, do we? There is a good reason for that.

If as a preference you visit conservative communities, sites, and read conservative twitter feeds you are a lot more likely to see such memes whereas as a moderate I am not seeing many of them at all on the sites and feeds that I peruse. That pretty much works both ways.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Talking about you, homie.

I am aware of your attempted deflection. I was trying to keep the conversation on track. If you think any of my comments directed towards you were confrontational, I have no idea what to tell you. I don't believe I have acted out of line, but I know Andrus is trying to set the tone early so I would suggest reporting the posts in question to help him define that line.

That said, you still haven't addressed the point at hand. Nunes tried to violate the procedures by yielding time to Stefanik. Schiff said no. Stefanik complained and Schiff explained why he said no. Stefanik attempted to start her line of questioning again. Schiff told her no again, reiterating the procedures in place. Stefanik complained about having to follow rules, Schiff shut her down again for failing to follow the rules again. The exchange ended with Nunes' attempt at mock incredulity.

When the exchange is viewed in the context of the rules and procedures in place, can you please explain how you think Schiff looks bad in this situation without any blame or criticism aimed at Nunes and Stefanik for repeatedly ignoring the rules and procedures, especially since Stefanik was not actually shut down. She was told in no uncertain terms that this was not time that was allotted to her, but was given her time later with no issues?

 

[Lazybones]

I did not know which sites you visited and didn't say that I did, however it is obvious that we don't visit the same sites.

My question was framed in response to an assertion that you made when you stated "With the amount of memes with him in them, public perception is on my side".

You framed that as a if it were a fact rather than either your impression or opinion. I was perplexed as to how you came to the conclusion that the amount of memes that you are seeing is somehow a representation of public perception being on your side. My opinion is that that the amount of memes that you've seen has no bearing on actual quantitative perception.

We don't see anything like "According to a memes count taken by CBS News", out there, do we? There is a good reason for that.

If as a preference you visit conservative communities, sites, and read conservative twitter feeds you are a lot more likely to see such memes whereas as a moderate I am not seeing many of them at all on the sites and feeds that I peruse. That pretty much works both ways.

yeah but I don’t. This so the only political site I visit, so there’s that.

it comes more from associating with my 1500+ team members and 10 times that in customers.

 

[Lazybones]

I am aware of your attempted deflection. I was trying to keep the conversation on track. If you think any of my comments directed towards you were confrontational, I have no idea what to tell you. I don't believe I have acted out of line, but I know Andrus is trying to set the tone early so I would suggest reporting the posts in question to help him define that line.

That said, you still haven't addressed the point at hand. Nunes tried to violate the procedures by yielding time to Stefanik. Schiff said no. Stefanik complained and Schiff explained why he said no. Stefanik attempted to start her line of questioning again. Schiff told her no again, reiterating the procedures in place. Stefanik complained about having to follow rules, Schiff shut her down again for failing to follow the rules again. The exchange ended with Nunes' attempt at mock incredulity.

When the exchange is viewed in the context of the rules and procedures in place, can you please explain how you think Schiff looks bad in this situation without any blame or criticism aimed at Nunes and Stefanik for repeatedly ignoring the rules and procedures, especially since Stefanik was not actually shut down. She was told in no uncertain terms that this was not time that was allotted to her, but was given her time later with no issues?

ive said it a couple times. He acted very petulant. You can be a leader and accomplish the same thing in a more professional manner.

 

[t_rav_82]

I did not know which sites you visited and didn't say that I did, however it is obvious that we don't visit the same sites.

My question was framed in response to an assertion that you made when you stated "With the amount of memes with him in them, public perception is on my side".

You framed that as a if it were a fact rather than either your impression or opinion. I was perplexed as to how you came to the conclusion that the amount of memes that you are seeing is somehow a representation of public perception being on your side. My opinion is that that the amount of memes that you've seen has no bearing on actual quantitative perception.

We don't see anything like "According to a memes count taken by CBS News", out there, do we? There is a good reason for that.

If as a preference you visit conservative communities, sites, and read conservative twitter feeds you are a lot more likely to see such memes whereas as a moderate I am not seeing many of them at all on the sites and feeds that I peruse. That pretty much works both ways.

I'd actually argue that a high number of memes indicates the opposite of public perception.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

ive said it a couple times. He acted very petulant. You can be a leader and accomplish the same thing in a more professional manner.

Are you going to answer the question at hand? Do you place any blame or criticism on Nunes and Stefanik?

Edit: Also, how do you think he should have handled it that would have been more professional than a dispassionate enforcement of the rules?

 

[Lazybones]

Are you going to answer the question at hand? Do you place any blame or criticism on Nunes and Stefanik?

Edit: Also, how do you think he should have handled it that would have been more professional than a dispassionate enforcement of the rules?

i am not sure what you want me to say. I could care less about nunes, though he did come off more professional than schiff.

Maybe he could take a leadership clas from echelon front. I don’t know. He looked as I described all while pounding his gavel and repeating the same thing. I have a feeling you will be able to see a re-enactment on SNL.

I found it funny that a leader in congress acted this way. I would demote one of my leaders in a heartbeat If this is the way they handle confrontation.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

i am not sure what you want me to say. I could care less about nunes, though he did come off more professional than schiff.

Maybe he could take a leadership clas from echelon front. I don’t know. He looked as I described all while pounding his gavel and repeating the same thing. I have a feeling you will be able to see a re-enactment on SNL.

I found it funny that a leader in congress acted this way. I would demote one of my leaders in a heartbeat If this is the way they handle confrontation.

When a judge bangs their gavel and repeats themselves in an effort to restore order and remind people of the rules, are they also acting in a petulant and unprofessional way that is worthy of demotion?

 

[Lazybones]

When a judge bangs their gavel and repeats themselves in an effort to restore order and remind people of the rules, are they also acting in a petulant and unprofessional way that is worthy of demotion?

it depends. Man I don’t know what your end game is with these questions. I will happily provide one on one leadership training of that is what you are looking for. Hit me up, I have reasonable rates.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

it depends. Man I don’t know what your end game is with these questions. I will happily provide one on one leadership training of that is what you are looking for. Hit me up, I have reasonable rates.

My goal is to have a conversation. I find it fascinating that someone could genuinely believe that the person restoring order in the manner by which they are meant to restore it is acting unprofessionally while simultaneously claiming that the person repeatedly attempting to break the rules is acting in a more professional manner.

Also, could you please refrain from the personal attacks?

 

[Lazybones]

My goal is to have a conversation. I find it fascinating that someone could genuinely believe that the person restoring order in the manner by which they are meant to restore it is acting unprofessionally while simultaneously claiming that the person repeatedly attempting to break the rules is acting in a more professional manner.

Also, could you please refrain from the personal attacks?

personal attacks on who? It’s not really my style. Can you point me to what you are referring?

are you saying that any given situation or this one specifically, can only be handled one way? Is it not logical that different people can handle the same situation differently and that one person may handle the situation better than someone else?

 

[wardorican]

i am not sure what you want me to say. I could care less about nunes, though he did come off more professional than schiff.

Maybe he could take a leadership clas from echelon front. I don’t know. He looked as I described all while pounding his gavel and repeating the same thing. I have a feeling you will be able to see a re-enactment on SNL.

I found it funny that a leader in congress acted this way. I would demote one of my leaders in a heartbeat If this is the way they handle confrontation.

Seems pretty consistent with Robert's Rules of Order. You normally don't let people take over the time, if it's outside of the rules.

 

[Lazybones]

Seems pretty consistent with Robert's Rules of Order. You normally don't let people take over the time, if it's outside of the rules.

I’m not disputing that point.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

personal attacks on who? It’s not really my style. Can you point me to what you are referring?

Your comment about leadership classes. It had no bearing on anything at hand and struck me as an attempt to insult. If it was intended in some other way, I am open to your explanation.

are you saying that any given situation or this one specifically, can only be handled one way? Is it not logical that different people can handle the same situation differently and that one person may handle the situation better than someone else?

Of course any given situation can be handled differently by different people with the different results achieved. That's not what I was talking about, though. I was commenting on how someone could think that two people breaking rules and talking over the person in charge were acting more professionally than the person in charge thst was doing their job in the manner one would expect from someone in that position.

 

[Saintamaniac]

It’s hard to tell people how to talk to others. Just as MT15 put it about how we communicate our post on here. You can give the same message with different delivery.

As I stated, this is how I viewed it and if you don’t agree, that’s cool. With the amount of memes with him in them, public perception is on my side.

It's not about that at all. This is how people learn about others and what makes them tick so to speak. We ask questions. Right now, your response is simply, we don't see it the same, we shouldn't tell people how to talk to each other. That's a very closed minded approach. I asked you how you thought he should have responded. Getting a honest answer from you would let me try to understand your point of view and why we could see the same event differently.

If you're not interested in trying to understand people who don't think like you then why come here to talk or debate? I'd rather you just say "nothing you say will change my mind because I'm right and you're wrong" than to pretend to give an answer of it's hard to tell people how to talk to others. I tell my son how to speak all the time. I have coworkers and if they speak to me in a manner that I find disrespectful, then I will tell them how they should speak to me. My wife talks to me about how I speak to people all the time.

My point was to try to see what your perspective was and how you would handle something like that if you were in his position especially since you felt the way he handled it was like a new fast food joint manager.

 

[Lazybones]

1. the leadership was not a slight at you by any means. It was like “are you asking me out” kinda thing. You asked how schiff could have acted different. I referenced a leadership seminar by echelon front. You pressed further and you got my response.

2. it seems you are taking my words out of context or extrapolating a meaning that is not there. My comments about schiff had nothing to do with nunes. It could have been bozo the clown it was not the point. The pin t I made was that schiff handled the disruption in a very immature way.

if you don’t see it that way, fine. If you think I’m a moron for thinking schiff acted petulant in that clip, fine as well.

 

[Lazybones]

It's not about that at all. This is how people learn about others and what makes them tick so to speak. We ask questions. Right now, your response is simply, we don't see it the same, we shouldn't tell people how to talk to each other. That's a very closed minded approach. I asked you how you thought he should have responded. Getting a honest answer from you would let me try to understand your point of view and why we could see the same event differently.

If you're not interested in trying to understand people who don't think like you then why come here to talk or debate? I'd rather you just say "nothing you say will change my mind because I'm right and you're wrong" than to pretend to give an answer of it's hard to tell people how to talk to others. I tell my son how to speak all the time. I have coworkers and if they speak to me in a manner that I find disrespectful, then I will tell them how they should speak to me. My wife talks to me about how I speak to people all the time.

My point was to try to see what your perspective was and how you would handle something like that if you were in his position especially since you felt the way he handled it was like a new fast food joint manager.

Man I’m not trying to avoid you or not answer your question. I’m damn sure not being closed minded, I just don’t know what to tell you. I guess if I were not so lazy, I would go find videos of confessional leaders handling conflict better.

it’s hard to describe how someone should act in this format. If you want to participate in a video maybe we could put together a skit.

it seems y’all are making a big deal over the way I view someone’s lack of leadership. Very odd.