The Impeachment Process Has Officially Begun (1 Viewer)

[Andrus]

By Laura Bassett

After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

“Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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[Dadsdream]

You keep saying "rat" when shown evidence upon evidence that he was loyal to the United States, followed the law, and betrayed no trust. I just gave you the definition of a rat, and he most definitely did not meet it. He is a "rat" to you because he went against your team. My guess is if he did the same thing to Hillary if she were President, you would say he was doing his duty and would call out anyone calling him a rat.

The only thing you "offer" is that "one person's patriot is another person's rat." That isn't an argument. So in that much, you are correct. You aren't arguing. Instead, you are just making proclamations without a basis.

OK, you take exception to calling him a "rat." Got it.
Benedict Arnold was a "loyal subject" to the some and "rat" to others.
And so it goes.

 

[Beach Friends]

I prefer "co-conspirator" to "rat," but that's just me.

The man should have followed his chain of command. If he had, the information may have simply landed on the desk of someone who didn't have an exaggerated sense of self importance and who understood that he works for the United States rather than Ukraine.

If for nothing else, I think he should be dismissed from the military for acting so silly when he was stating that he had been offered the position of that Ukrainian Minister of Defense. Goofball.

 

[farfromsilent]

But this is a bit different. This isn’t some alternate philosophy. These people are seriously advocating for massive imprisonments for political reasons. They are bat shirt insane. Nobody should be advancing their cause, they are dangerous.

Do you mean similar to how some of the staffers within the Sander's campaign have been advocating for the same thing, also stating how Russian gulags are misunderstood and should be put into practice here for those who don't conform should Sander's win? None of these staffers have been fired by the way.

 

[Sandman]

OK, you take exception to calling him a "rat." Got it.
Benedict Arnold was a "loyal subject" to the some and "rat" to others.
And so it goes.

Again, trying to bring other people into the argument that do not apply. What I take exception to is calling him a rat without a basis. You haven't countered anything I have said. Rather, you just stick with the "people can call them by different names approach." That isn't a basis. That is a cop-out. It is typical of "team" politics. Rise above it.

 

[Dadsdream]

Again, trying to bring other people into the argument that do not apply. What I take exception to is calling him a rat without a basis. You haven't countered anything I have said. Rather, you just stick with the "people can call them by different names approach." That isn't a basis. That is a cop-out. It is typical of "team" politics. Rise above it.

In my opinion, what he did means he meets the definition of the term "rat" as I initially outlined.
There are other terms equally as applicable, depending on the way one views his actions.
That's not a cop-out; that's an acknowledgement that we can look at the exact same picture and see different things.
I could care less about "team" politics, I'm simply sharing my thoughts and ideas on an Internet message board the old fashioned way, rather than going to Twitter or Facebook.
Rise above what? I've been polite, gracious, cordial, friendly and civil.
A rat's a rat, Sandman, whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[MT15]

Do you mean similar to how some of the staffers within the Sander's campaign have been advocating for the same thing, also stating how Russian gulags are misunderstood and should be put into practice here for those who don't conform should Sander's win? None of these staffers have been fired by the way.

whataboutism. You guys are really great at it.

first of all, project veritas is anything but truth, and they have the court conviction to prove it. So I don’t believe anything they do. They are not above putting people out there to pretend to be Sanders supporters.

second of all, are you defending qanon? Really?

 

[wardorican]

You certainly are running hard with a presumption that you should know is obviously flawed. Why would I say it is "obviously" flawed? The answer to that question is staring you in the face.

You really couldn't find another source of that video link?

 

[wardorican]

It's HIS national security team.
If he doesn't want somebody on it, they're gone.

I wont fully disagree, but don't we expect the person to act like the office of president is beyond themselves?

 

[farfromsilent]

whataboutism. You guys are really great at it.

first of all, project veritas is anything but truth, and they have the court conviction to prove it. So I don’t believe anything they do. They are not above putting people out there to pretend to be Sanders supporters.

second of all, are you defending qanon? Really?

Whataboutism is nothing but calling out hypocrisy. Whether that hypocrisy is willful or not, I don't know, but it is what it is.

I'm not defending qanon. Don't even know who they are to be honest. You can be blind to evidence all you want, just understand that you are doing the same thing that you are accusing Trump supporters of doing.

 

[dtc]

I'm sure we both recall Lt. Col. North's testimony with regard to shredding documents.
He wasn't "free" to choose whether or not to shred the documents, because he had a presidential order to do so.
He felt it was his duty and obligation to continue destroying documents, even with people pounding on the door trying to stop him.
To him, failure to shred the documents would have been a violation of his oaths and obligation and would have had repercussions themselves.
Depending on whom you ask, North was either a hero or a scoundrel.
So it is with Vindman as well.

That's why he's a disgraced piece of pond scum.

His duty is to uphold only lawful orders.

It's disgusting the lengths some folks will go to rationalize illegality and immorality.

 

[farfromsilent]

whataboutism. You guys are really great at it.

first of all, project veritas is anything but truth, and they have the court conviction to prove it. So I don’t believe anything they do. They are not above putting people out there to pretend to be Sanders supporters.

second of all, are you defending qanon? Really?

It is kind of funny how you shine a little light on these rodents, and they run and hide for cover.

Bernie Sanders aides lock Twitter accounts after Project Veritas exposé - Washington Examiner

Two Iowa field directors for Bernie Sanders's 2020 presidential campaign locked their Twitter accounts after a Project Veritas video showed a "top-tier organizer" saying "Milwaukee will burn" if the senator doesn't win the Democratic nomination. Sanders organizer Kyle Jurek told undercover...

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[Beach Friends]

You really couldn't find another source of that video link?

Why would I take time to do that? There is nothing wrong with the video.

I didn't pay any attention to some comment about Q, I never do. But, if I had I would not have cared enough to go track down another source for the exact same video. The "OMG, sauces" crowd can get over it. Or not.

 

[samiam5211]

Why would I take time to do that? There is nothing wrong with the video.

I didn't pay any attention to some comment about Q, I never do. But, if I had I would not have cared enough to go track down another source for the exact same video. The "OMG, sauces" crowd can get over it. Or not.

You should have found another source just to avoid giving the QAnon nut job any free exposure.

 

[coldseat]

Do you mean similar to how some of the staffers within the Sander's campaign have been advocating for the same thing, also stating how Russian gulags are misunderstood and should be put into practice here for those who don't conform should Sander's win? None of these staffers have been fired by the way.

Project Veritas ... always good for a laugh.

Continue.

 

[Saintamaniac]

In my opinion, what he did means he meets the definition of the term "rat" as I initially outlined.
There are other terms equally as applicable, depending on the way one views his actions.
That's not a cop-out; that's an acknowledgement that we can look at the exact same picture and see different things.
I could care less about "team" politics, I'm simply sharing my thoughts and ideas on an Internet message board the old fashioned way, rather than going to Twitter or Facebook.
Rise above what? I've been polite, gracious, cordial, friendly and civil.
A rat's a rat, Sandman, whether you want to admit it or not.

The cool thing about the law and truth is that neither of them gives a damn about how you view them. North followed a command that he knew was breaking laws and rules. Vindman reported wrongdoing. The only reason you are labeling him a rat is because he came forward to report the wrong doing of the criminal in the white house that you support. What you have been doing is exactly a cop out to avoid and acknowledging wrong doing and it's plain to see. Your claim of not caring about team politics is an absolute joke as your posts scream that you do. You've been polite, gracious, cordial, friendly and civil all the while making every excuse in the world to find a way to justify supporting wrong doing. It's pathetic that you can't see that everyone sees what you are doing and what you are. IMO, your actions are that of a flunky. A flunky is a flunky, DD, whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[Sandman]

In my opinion, what he did means he meets the definition of the term "rat" as I initially outlined.

I gave you the actual definition of a "rat" and showed why he didn't meet that criteria. You initially claimed that you relied upon the definition of a rat, but when showed why the definition of a rat did not apply to Vindman, ignored why it didn't apply and just stood by your statement that he is a rat.

A rat's a rat, Sandman, whether you want to admit it or not.

You might as well as say the world is flat whether you want to admit it or not. That has the same basis in truth as what you are saying.

It is clear that discussing this with you is pointless. You have an agenda, and nothing is going to deviate you from it.

 

[brandon]

The bottom line is that it comes down to the individual to make the decision.

Nuremberg begs to differ.

 

[wardorican]

Why would I take time to do that? There is nothing wrong with the video.

I didn't pay any attention to some comment about Q, I never do. But, if I had I would not have cared enough to go track down another source for the exact same video. The "OMG, sauces" crowd can get over it. Or not.

It's fine, but just don't cry when people assume you're a follower of Q and passing on those crazy conspiracies.

Just like the other videos you tend to share, the phrasing you use... it gives people a certain impression. If you're cool with it, then ok.